A&Q about 350Z
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just curious on why more people dont buy the track z over the other z's. in my opinion, the track comes with nicer wheels, a spoiler, and brembo brakes. it looks a lot better than the normal z and gets a lot more attention. if the price is around the same why get the other trim choices? just curious.
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The Aero package is available for all trims.
The only visible differences with the Track are the light weight wheels and Brembos brakes. Both of these are nice performance options but most drivers aren't good enough for those two items alone to make a difference in race performance.
And the last time I looked, the Track was a couple grand more than the next lower trim. Not a whole lot for a fair chunk of cash.
Some day "Track Trim" may truly mean something significant. For now, it's Nissan Marketing's way of generating false images of a bigger/better/faster 350Z. It's a tostesterone thing and it works.
There were a few dealers in the early days of the 2003 that told potential buyers that the Track Trim included a factory installed turbo. Could have just been a stupid dealer that didn't bother to read his own marketing material.
Post Edited (Mar 31, 2:30pm)
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When "around the same price" means a margin of $10K yeah I could see the point of your question.
2003 350Z LeMans Sunset
JWT Pop Charger
Rallitec Q-Shifter
Zainoed (Z1, Z2, Z6, Z18)
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Cause I can barely afford a Performance......Im a pimp on a Budget :-)
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04.5 DB Performance
Typhoon Intake
Injen SES Straight Tip Exhaust
Blue Z-Xtreme Grounding Kit
Kenwood MP3 Player
EBC V4 Greenstuff Pads
Clear Lens
Carbon Fiber Piller Covers
20% Tint
5 Coats of Zaino
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'01 Yamaha R6
Post Edited (Mar 31, 2:40pm)
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My Superblack Touring with chromed wheels gets more attention than most people's Porsche's.
I'm almost starting to dread the attention because people like to mess with other people's stuff.
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Chrome on black....hard to beat!
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because the track is the most expensive. yes the touring is around the same price but then there is a big difference between those two. Most people dont care about the better wheels or brembos but they would rather have leather and a better sound system. If your not tracking your car the brembos arent really necessary and if you get a 6spd touring it comes with 18's so theres your reasons. Also if your going to upgrade your wheels anyway which alot of the enthusaists do theres no point in buying a track for the better wheels. oh you are also in canada right digital? im not sure how the models are broken down there. but thats the US explanation
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03 CS Touring
VIN #189
Post Edited (Mar 31, 3:25pm)
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I thought a few thousand more for the Rays Wheels and the brembos was well worth it. 34K and change. A buddy of mine got a touring.. loaded.. and his was like 36K or so. He went and changed everything anyway. Just two pricey upgrades I don't have to do. At least ya know it came that way from the factory too so there is some peace of mind. I have heard too many upgrade/install stories where things get all screwed up.
Many people get the navigation? Some might argue that is a waste of 2K too.
I just like the way my CS Track looked last December (02) with a big red bow on it! Had to have it. : )
Regardless of trims.. most of us love the car in general. I am amazed at the cool ways people differentiate themeselves with their cars too. Since owning the Z I know now what it is like to be a true enthusiast. I also know how smokers feel when they say their addicted. Ha!
Mastro
03 CS Track
Connecticut
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Precisely for all the reasons sighted here already by the non-track owners, it usually stands that the top of the line model of any sports car line turns out to be the better purchase over the long run. Folks at the time of original purchase find many reasons not to pay up for unique manufacturer performance upgrades and thereby create scarcity in the optioned model.
As evidence, just look at any muscle car line and one will find that the cars with the more obscure performance packages are now the most sought after and highly valued cars of the line.
Twenty to 30 years from now, today’s sport compacts will be look upon by future collectors just like current collectors look upon the 60's muscle cars today... wishing the would have paid up for the odd ball Yenko COPO Camaro model back in 1969, but instead having to now pay $100k for the privilege....
http://www.cds4kids.com/drvin/1969_copo.html
The truth is that a similarly modified Z will never have the same value as the factory optioned Z.
2003 Black Track
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350ztrack how do you explain the severe drop in the stock 1990's 300zxTT? They aren't going up in value. You're comparing apples to oranges. Old 50's, 60's, and 70's muscle cars are collectors cars for a reason...they're old school and there's a certain value put on those cars by other people...mostly older guys who wanted to own one when they were young but couldn't...or thier kids since they were influenced by someone like this.
If your logic held any water, why are we not finding stock 1984 Mustangs GT's and stock 1984 Camero SS's with all the bells and whistles offered from Ford and Chevy respectively, being bought as collectors cars fetching top dollar? Are these two cars not mucle cars? I love my 350Z but I in no way think these will sell for more than they were bought....ever.
The only car that is even close to what you are describing is the 90's Toyota Supra Turbo...and that's because the engine in that thing is solid as a rock to build on...or leave stock and have a competent car be as reliable as anything else out there...that's why it's held it's value closest to it's original new price than any other sports car.350ztrack wrote:
> Precisely for all the reasons sighted here already by the
> non-track owners, it usually stands that the top of the line
> model of any sports car line turns out to be the better
> purchase over the long run. Folks at the time of original
> purchase find many reasons not to pay up for unique
> manufacturer performance upgrades and thereby create scarcity
> in the optioned model.
>
> As evidence, just look at any muscle car line and one will find
> that the cars with the more obscure performance packages are
> now the most sought after and highly valued cars of the line.
>
> Twenty to 30 years from now, today’s sport compacts will be
> look upon by future collectors just like current collectors
> look upon the 60's muscle cars today... wishing the would have
> paid up for the odd ball Yenko COPO Camaro model back in 1969,
> but instead having to now pay $100k for the privilege....
>
> http://www.cds4kids.com/drvin/1969_copo.html
>
> The truth is that a similarly modified Z will never have the
> same value as the factory optioned Z.
>
> 2003 Black Track
>
-2003 350Z Enthusiast Stage 0
-1971 Datsun 521 Inline 4
-1970 Datsun 510 w/KA24DE
-1991 Honda CRX HF
(62 HP and 50 MPG BEAST!!!)
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350ztrack your rationalization makes no sense at all... were not talking a car with a turbo or a bigger engine. it has different wheels and brembos thats it. It aint no Yenko thats for sure. It has the same engine. Those old muscle cars that are valuable have larger displacemnet engines. The track Z has the same engine its just a trim model. I highly doubt your track will be worth anymore than my touring in 10 or 20 years.
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Very few cars ever reach that status as a true classic, where the value holds or raises, the Z should never reach that status simply because there are to many built. Buy the TOY that you can afford and enjoy the hell out of it and rest assured it will depreciate. Sometimes I regret steping up to the enthusiast model, but only till I fire it up and roar down the drive then all regrets are gone, proof it was the right buy!
n/a
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you guys are asking why a 1990's car is not more valuable today? do i need to do the math for you too?
in the 80's the 60's muscle cars where towed to the crusher as a relief from a liability. 15- 20 years later collectors are digging them out of the heap to restore.
it true that the performance package of today's cars are not like the performance package of yesterday's cars but it is all relative.
thirty years ago car buyers likely made the same arguments you all are making now - "what the big deal about strip down high performance camaro?"
in the future, collectors might see factory brembos and forged wheels as an amazing option compared to the hybrid powered cars everyone will 'required' to use.
no doubt future value is difficult to recognize in the present.
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im really surprised to hear that because here in canada, the track edition is the same price without leather, we do not have an enthusiest model here, is that the one with the 17 inch wheels on it? sorry man , chrome on a 350 looks a little tacky to me, not cool. chromes for luxory, we got sports cars, racing wheels for me.
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all u guys with the non track 350's gotta admit the track does look a lot better. compared to the other ones they do get more attention, since i have had my 350, ive seein about 30 350's and none in track trim, thats why everyone keeps askin , did u get those wheels with it? a lot more rare
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$34,619 - Base price at pre-order for a Track model
$30,969 - Base price at pre-order for my Performance model
$ 3,650 - Difference for wheels I didn't like, and brakes I didn't need and didn't want to maintain (have you seen the price of Brembo brake pads?)
Seemed clear to me at the time. Still does.
And there's no freaking way a Track 350Z compares to any of those muscle car performance options. Geez.
40 years from now: "Son, can you say Track model?" Right.
Post Edited (Mar 31, 6:39pm)
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I loved the Rays wheels and was going to get the spoilers anyway so I went with the Track.I have seen the Track model the least of all the Z models so far.
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damn very surprised to hear that much of a difference for the track in the states
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digital, just because you are dum doesn't mean other people are dum too! You come up with the stupidest things on this forum. Are you high again?
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who? who is this roomi-z, is it the female who drives an automatic z?
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digital - just because you are gay, don't hate women! You DO have an issue with women, don't you?
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The price is not about the same. It's about $7k to $8k above the base and about $5k to $6k above the Enthusiast, which is what I have. I do like the wheels on the track but I like the base wheels alot as well. I don't race it so I don't need the Brembos. Beyond that there is no difference.
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I bought a Touring model with an automatic and navigation.
I really like the looks of the track, but needed an automatic, like the leather and upgraded? 6 CD Bose system.
I know my Z cost more than a Track model, but didn't care.
-Zanioed '03 Le Mans Sunset Touring Coupe w/ Nav.
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yah , i got an issue with ure mom
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hmmmmm digital, did your mama play too much with you when you were young? Just blame it on the weather...........what you gonna do with 9 month of winter up there? Just take it easy man, one day you will meet your charming prince (may be in a "Track Z")? Wow, how romantic will that be!
Post Edited (Mar 31, 7:48pm)
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you're attaching slamming responses to innocent bystanders.
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is that a threat to a police officer? u can meet me at the new westminster station buddy.
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Just trying to help out.
How many models of Z do they sell in your country?
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leather, bose, automatic seats, and my orange interior, thats why i got the touring
Lil liZ: 03 Touring, Black/Burnt Orange, no nav, manual
Post Edited (Mar 31, 8:59pm)
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i dont really think we sell to many z's in canada. i dont have the numbers but i dont see any. if im out driving ill be lucky to see one in a day. which makes mine so nice to drive because u dont see any 350's let alone track trims, around here. i even see more new m3's than i see 350's
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I spent three weeks last month working in downtown Toronto. I would see 3-4 350's a day on average.
2003 350Z LeMans Sunset
JWT Pop Charger
Rallitec Q-Shifter
Zainoed (Z1, Z2, Z6, Z18)
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Not how many Zs were sold.
Do Canucks get all 5 models sold in the US?
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thats in toronto, could be a different story, im in vancouver. british columbia, canada doesnt get all 5 models. we dont have the enthusiest here
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The higher the trim level the more useless garbage to slow you down. Fancy little navigation screens and powered seats and all that bs just add weight. It's a sports car, personally if I wanted all those luxuries I would purchase an Infiniti G35. Plus rear wheel drive isn't fun unless you disable all that VDC and TCS (Traction Control... psss) stuff. Only advantage I really see in a track model is the Brembos but I perfer the Rotora big brake kit anyways.
I paid 25k out the door for my Enthusiast Z after 3 days of bitchin and moaning :D.
$34,619 for a Track Z
$25,000 for an Enthusiast
$9,619 for Brembos blargh
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u think the touring wheels look better than the rays , lol. u get those wheels on the maximas lol
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i have a 1991 300zx 2+2, but if i was to buy a a 350Z, i would want the brembos. Or i would upgrade to a big brake setup like brembo or stop tech later on. I think the track model should have real racing seats in it.
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Superman2424...
My friend got his back in Nov 02 so there wasn't much negotiating going on and I'm sure they even marked it up back then demand was so high. I didn't say he got a good deal, but 30K new is a great deal on yours. You should be psyched. I was able to get $1500 knocked off because it was in stock and I bought mine in Dec 02. We bought from different dealers.
I liked the wheels and would have upgraded the stock brakes anyway so the Track made sense to me. I like buying a car that appeals to me completely stock and knowing I don't have to make many changes to be happy...for awhile at least! Ha! Others like buying a car and doing modifications all the time. Hell the car has been out a couple of years and my friends car doesn't even look the same anymore with hood scoups, body kit...etc. Just not my gig.
Mastro
03 CS Track
Connecticut
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The track is actually heavier than any other models. The first 350z I ever saw was a red track and that is what I bought. Might get a little financial advantage over the other models when I go to sell it. Certainly dont see many around Orlando. Are they still making the track model, and if so any idea how many sold so far?