A&Q about 350Z
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Hello, new owner here. I have an '05 350Z 6 sp. manual. Anyone here have any suggestions on a twin turbo system? If you have made such a mod, would you send me some info/pics?
'05 350Z - Daytona Blue
6 speed enthusiast
Winamac, Indiana
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do a search for posts and you will learn alot about TT Z33s.
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If you're actually seriously considering Turboing your Z go to , register and do a search or post over there.
there are a few systems out right now, including:
APS TT and single Turbo
Greddy TT
Turbonetics single turbo
JWT TT coming soon?
Any of these systems fully installed and tuned will run you around $10k
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Post Edited (Mar 20, 7:47pm)
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driven likes to drive away our customers.
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'73 240Z
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well, no forum has a monopoly on information ;)
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As do many others when advice is asked. Doing so gives a person a nice feeling inside.
A feeling you may yet experience one day.
Post Edited (Mar 20, 7:23pm)
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hahaa...thanks for the backup 72. I'm not trying to drive people away but other than MorePower who's been absent for a bit, there just isn't that much first hand Forced Induction knowledge here. And by first hand I mean a 350Z owner who has FI, and actually i dont know of any regular posters here that have FI, myself included. So thats why I occasionaly refer people other places. I'd rather refer someone to a different site than have them jump head-on into a large and expensive project they don't know much about.
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'73 240Z
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This forum used to be a place where people helped each other out
(like drivenZ just did).
Lately at times it reminds me of a bunch of mindless high school kids rattling off total non-sense.
My 2 cents,
-Zanioed '03 Le Mans Sunset Touring Coupe w/ Nav.
Post Edited (Mar 20, 10:06pm)
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hey that looks like a forced induction... whatever that is???
lol j/k... definately searchfor More Powers posts...
the website even says "Please Search before posting your question"
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thank you, that is why i have been on 'vacation' from this site
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yeah...sorry i gotta appologize for that one... i just read it over and it seems a little rude...
anyways... definately check my350z.com... most likely going to have better techincal info...
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My350Z is not the greatest site to learn about turbos for 350Zs. Many many many on there were alllllllllll gung ho for APS turbo kits to no end until APS did not pay off to be on the site as a merchandizer. So they banned APS from the site. There was also some deal where some of the movers and shakers on my350Z wanted APS to sell them kits at a discount so they could resell them at cut rate prices for a profit. APS refused. Suddenly the same "big wheels" people that were praising APS out the yeng yang were suddenly trashing them to no end. Now some would say APS should have paid them off and was out of line posting on my350Z without paying the merchant fee that others pay. I don't know or care about this argument or the other issues one way or the other. All that is a moot point to me. I am not involved in the sale or marketing of any of the turbo kits. BUT...regardless of which side (or either) you agree or disagree with, the fact still remains that many of the same ones on my350Z once praising APS as the holy grail of forced induction, are now trashing them. And it has everything to do with politics and marketing schemes and nothing to do with the quality of the kits. So do not expect to get an objective opinion on my350Z regarding 350Z turbo kits, except with a few exceptions. You'll mostly get opinions of people with an axe to grind who are carrying around baggage of one type or another.
Gosh drivenZ, just because we do not agree on things is no reason to try to drive them away or not want someone to give his opinions in a mostly courteous manner as I have done. I don't treat other people like that. Freedom of speech and all that.
Post Edited (Apr 6, 5:54pm)
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HUH?? I think you read my posts wrong or something MP, I pretty much said you were one of if not the most knowledgeable person about this subject on the forum... However that doesn't make you the end all and be all either...If no one here refutes you, than how objective is that?
Also you talk alot(this is not saying APS isn't the best kit I went to the Philly auto show and saw first hand an APS single and talked with the installer and such and do believe it is really good if not the best) but the guy also asked if anyone who "HAS A TURBO" to send him info or pics....thats precisely why i sent him to my350Z. When's the last time a member here posted pictures and a review of their turbo system???????????????????????????????????????
my point exactly. Just today, i believe, over at my350Z another guy had VRT install a JWT on his G35. Im not saying anythign about that kit, im just saying thats theres more first hand experience at that site. And you say not to send anybody there but where should they go? 350Ztech, motoring? Who's most objective? this site? If I was spending 10k on my Z this is not where I'd want to be getting all my info. you werent much help, so don't criticize me. damn
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VIN #189
Post Edited (Mar 21, 4:35pm)
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i was joking when i said you were driving people away.
i was just checking out the vrt website. they've made some nice cars. too bad they're in san diego.
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'73 240Z
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drivenZ!!!!! My humblest apologies! You are right! Whew! I read your sentence "I'm not trying to drive people away but other than MorePower who's been absent for a bit,..." and I did not see the "but" in the sentence... It was there, but I just did not see it. So I read it (incorrectly) as "I'm not trying to drive people away other than MorePower who's been absent for a bit,...". So it sounded like you were saying you weren't trying to drive people away other than More Power, ha. I am really sorry! Usually I'm a good reader if nothing else. I was having a tough day at work (job keeps cutting into my day, ha) and was not in the best of moods already and in too much of a hurry when I (mis) read your post! My bad!!
I agree, we aren't supposed to all agree on everything and I'm not saying I'm perfect at all. People have disagreed with me over things like a single big turbo vs. my personal choice of twins and I have no problems with that. And other things. These two forced induction routes (big single vs. smaller twin Ts) are different and it just depends on what the individual wants. No right or wrong involved. I just misread your post and the way I misread it sounded like an insult and it was not. 100% my error and again, I apolgize.
No I'm not exactly saying not to send anyone to my350Z.com. And yes there is more first hand experience on that site than here. I am a member there and there are a lot of knowledeable people on that forum. But I do stand behind what I said happened over there and I am just saying that some people who were super pro APS instantly started trashing them after they got into a big shooting war about APS refusing to pay merchandizing fees to the website. One statement I remember striking me as petty from one of the superpowers of that website was something like, "Peter (APS spokesman on the website)....where's the love????" (meaning "where's the money"). As I said, I don't really care about that arguement per se, but APS refusing to pay a website fee had nothing to do with the quality of their turbo kits. It seemed like we were a big happy family over there (not saying everyone was always in agreement, but it was a very friendly forum) but then suddenly overnight things turned real real ugly over some fees and marketing deals unrelated to the turbo kits and 350Zs. I had nothing at all to do with it and pretty much stayed out of the war of words, but suddenly people who liked APS were less than popular with more than a few of the big wheels who are also selling 350Z performance parts by the way. This was maybe 6 months ago and things have calmed down a lot over there now, but I'm just saying that that should be considered.
The only big problem I have with the JWT 350Z twin turbo kit is that they (VRT) are using the factory fuel injectors and touting 400 plus wheel horse power (right at 500 hp at the engine) in the same breath. That and not having a fuel return system (among other things) allows JWT to sell the kits cheaper than APS - which has 500 cc injectors and a fuel return systm among other things the JWT kit lacks. Do the math. Now I am too tired to verify this right now, but if I remember correctly, our stock fuel injectors are 333 cc. at 100% open or very close to that. Now that is fine for our stock power and even a little bit more. BUT... You do NOT want to run right at 500 engine hp on our stock 333 cc or thereabouts fuel injectors. That is very dangerous and you are very likely to run lean (at times) and along with no fuel return system... That sort of thing burns holes in pistons and bends rods. I want to warn people that there is a good chance you will damage your engine. Now you can tune the JWT kit for less power, but VRT is saying go for the big power which I think is like playing Russian roulette with your engine. As I have said before, add to the JWT twin turbo kit some bigger fuel injectors, a fuel return system, and properly tune it on a load based dynometer - and you should be ok. I prefer APS for several reasons but the JWT should be ok and a good kit other than those issues. I really do not want to see anyone blow an engine and I am surprised that VRT is saying what they are. But that is what these forums are for. So people can hear boths sides of this discussion and become more informed when they make their own decisions.
Post Edited (Mar 21, 6:53pm)
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More Power - never let it be said that you are a man of few words ;)
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No worries, i kind of thought maybe you misread since ive never had any beef with you before and although you write novels here,lol, i appreciate your input and would be grateful to have more people like yourself here.
I understand what your saying about my350Z, the people who run that site aren't exactly all that trustworthy...point in case, one of the high moderators who was in charge of collecting vendor fees pretty much stole 5 figures from the site/vendors and walked away...they're trying to find him and press charges i believe. I dont completely agree with the vendor system they have but it does make a bit of sense. The vendors that are there have made alot of business advertising/posting/selling their products and I dont really think it's fair to have other vendors peddling products without supporting the site.
But anyways, the thing with the injectors and the fuel system with the JWT, I think is that they're going for CARB Cert. which if you start messing with the fuel return and everything is going to make it much more difficult. Thats the route they're going so I guess if they think it's ok let them do it, but there definitly arent enough kits out to see the effects. it's definitly going to take some time to iron out which kits are really bulletproof. IMO and from what you've said and I've heard it does look like the APS is a better choice.
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Post Edited (Mar 21, 7:09pm)
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what does a fuel return do?
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return fuel would be my guess!!! sorry i just couldn't turn down a good opportunity like that...
it increases you MPG...(fuel consumption) better gas mileage
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how?
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phx?
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As you add power, as in an AM Turbo system - you need to upgrade the fuel return system to maintain fuel pressures at higher power levels. Stock fuel systems are strained and in a system w/o an upgraded fuel return, you run the potential for lean conditions - a surefire engine killer in forced induction applications.
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CarlosZ, if you can't provide any information or at least discuss issues without personal attacks, I'd say your post was a lot worse than blah blah blah. And your post was devoid of either. Your lack of class is what has gotten old.
Post Edited (Apr 6, 6:38pm)
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CarlosZ, your remarks are rude and the only thing blah blah blah. At least More Power provided some information that some may appreciate. Your remarks added a grand total of nothing to this thread on twin turbos. All you did was run your mouth with your brain, or lack thereof, in neutral and show your ignorance. If you can't discuss issues why not just keep your mouth shut? Adhominym attacks are the discussion tactics of Jerks.
Post Edited (Apr 6, 6:21pm)