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How does 108,000 hp and over 5 million ft lbs of torque sound? Please advise how I can fit one of these into my Z. Also, what speed equipment is available in case I want to make some REAL power? I realize I will have to beef up the motor mounts.
http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ccsshb/12cyl/
'76 280Z driver, '75 parts car
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umm that is a pretty sweet engine
maybe they can make a kit for the swap
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The God Machine.
thousands of years from now one of these will be found in the ocean and make a real nice mystery, like the pyramids of egypt.
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jeebus
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also been posted here regularly.
I worked on Sulzer 12 cylinders similar to that engine.
Crawl out the exhaust ports, down the exhaust manifold, and down the ladder that goes up to one of the turbocharger openings....
Yo know an engine is big when you can sit on the piston crown on an office chair...
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The pistons in this engine are much larger than office chair sized pistons. These are more like dinner table sized pistons.
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1985 300ZX n/a
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That is fricking cool! I just got flashbacks to my childhood watching 'Land of the Giants' seing those guys standing around on the crank-case. Totally hilarious.
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I'm assuming you are talking about ship engines. The ones that are as big or bigger than some houses?
How fast do they spin? I bet their redline is about 1500 rpm. Haha.
God must love stupid people, he made SOOOOO many of them!
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That one says it peaks at 104 RPM.
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77 280Z - TEC3 Engine Management, Coil Packs, 3.1 Stroker, 550CC injectors, tripple throttle body FI intake, MSA Stage II Cam, etc...etc...
79 Fairlady - Rusty
81 280ZX - DD
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phxZ31, did you READ my post? I said putting a fuill sized office chair on top of them. As in You can roll it around, sit on it.
Then again, 2 meter bore, 3 meter stroke may be stretching your cognitive abilities.
I didn't say the piston was the size of an office chair, I said you could put one on top if it. Why would someone put it there if they couldn't comfortably SIT in it???
Though, given your response, I can see you would be one of those who would try that.
What happened to basice reading comprehension skills in American Public Education in the past 20 years. I mean, some of the stuff you guys pull out of a post are just simply ignorant. No common sense, no thought put into the comment whatsoever.
Can you show me where I said they were "office chair sized pistons"---sh*t, dude, READ THE DAMN POST! I said place a chair on TOP of the pistons, and CLIMB OUT THE EXHAUST PORT.
DM-FSOBS!
(Rolls Eyes)
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Closer to 300rpm, tops. Many times 180 rpm or less. When you're in the engine room underway, it's almost like a heartbeat. Boom boom boom boom!
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Post Edited (Jan 17, 9:11am)
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108,000 hp... i wonder, is that crank or brake horsepower? LOL
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Tony, in defense of phxZ31, you NEVER said "place a chair on TOP of the pistons", you said, "when you can sit on the piston crown on an office chair". Your statement implies that you're sitting on the piston crown then you sit on the chair while still sitting on the piston crown. Besides being a grammatical nightmare, it doesn't make a lot of sense. You appear to be a product of the public education system since you don't appear to know how to check your spelling. Here's some useful advice, spend a few seconds and check your spelling, it's not hard and with some practice you might become somewhat proficient at it.
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Picking flysh*t out of the pepper with boxing gloves...
I could have told him to search to find the detailed story.
But then again deductive reasoning doens't come in with you guys does it?
How does one crawl out through an exhaust port on an engine with the piston only the size of an office chair? That is not possible, you would be lucky to get an ARM through those ports, much less WALK OUT. The Cooper GMVSS is a 3 foot bore, 4 foot stroke engine---you can just about put an office chair on the piston crown there, but can't SIT on it. Nor can you pull the "walk out the exhaust port" trick. I NEVER said "Office Chair Sized Pistons" and really, I need to go over to his house and see his freaking dinky dinner table! More like an electrical spool used when palying house! That's one helluva dinky "dinner table" (38"?)as he puts it---again a disconnect with what is posted or referred to in the website--how big were those pistons again? How many places do you have at the dinner table? I have 8, it's a bit bigger than 38" across. Actually, this engine is SMALL because it really DOES have office chair sized pistons!!! DINKY ones, just a bit over 3 feet across. Like a Cooper GMVSS. Baby engines! Not like a 2X3 Sulzer (that's the metric system, there---2 meter by 3 meter. Or about 72" by 117") That's more akin to my dinner table size than 38"---who has the problem with measurements here again?
Continue your parsing of my phrases. His comment was totally in the wrong context, and shows he clearly can't read the paragraph and draw basic logical conclusions.
Wether this be from basic ignorance of the mechanical workings of engines, who knows. I mean, how else are you to exit the exhaust ports if you are sitting on the piston crown on an office chair?
BTW silver, you DO know the piston crown is ON TOP of the piston? Some people refer to the CROWN as the TOP of the piston. The terms are interchangable. I mean, it seems you drew the OBVIOUS, LOGICAL inferrence that I place the chair on the piston crown (or TOP if that better suits you) and then sit upon the chair I placed there. I mean, why else would you place a chair there, if not to sit upon it?(Rolls Eyes)
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Post Edited (Jan 17, 12:02pm)
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does somebody have a case of the mundays? Tony D -> :-C
'73 Turbo, not much stock. Sold now... :-(
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lol Nissan need to put that engine in the 2,548,000Z
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I'm not the one with the spacial relationship defficiency!
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i'm still giggling with the image of tony crawling though ports.
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How does one crawl out through an exhaust port on an engine with the piston only the size of an office chair? That is not possible, you would be lucky to get an ARM through those ports, much less WALK OUT
"I'm not the one with the spacial relationship defficiency!"
being that the exhaust port is like 1/4 of my piston, i would gather that if you could fit an fofice chair on top of a piston, you could probably fit more than an arm though the exhaust. @ any rate, you didnt say "i can put an office chair on it and roll around" you simply said you could put one on it.
"Why would someone put it there if they couldn't comfortably SIT in it???"
why would anyone put an office chair on-top of a piston?
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Ignoring the argument, the question isn't how you get that engine into a Z but how you get a Z into that engine. I would be curious as to how you crank one of those things to start it, I doubt that even a highly modded Z has enough power to get it going.
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Whoa, dude, come on now, give it up. Ask yourself a question... is it really worth it, because you already lost the argument based on the fact that you have 111 posts and Tony D has more posts than that engine has ft/lbs of torque (its an exageration, I know, no need to try to correct).
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"why would anyone put an office chair on-top of a piston?"
I bet YOU would do it, if you could...
I would, and I would take beer!
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I could stand up in the exhaust manifold, and the turbocharger flange was something like 1.2m in diameter! Engine ran four turbos, one for every three cylinders. Was three decks high. And the really impressive thing was there was a SPARE CRANKSHAFT hung in the overhead, along with 12 power pack assemblies---which is the crosshead,rod,liner,piston combination! They could actually start tearing apart and replace the crank on the engine without cutting holes in the decking to get parts down to the engine room. Talk about "set for spares", eh?
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FIRST:
"You know an engine is big when you can sit on the piston crown on an office chair..."
So there you go, THAT IS MY ACTUAL QUOTE, I said I could put an office chair on it, AND SIT ON IT. Clarifying later, I mentioned the 6 foot bore.
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"being that the exhaust port is like 1/4 of my piston, i would gather that if you could fit an fofice chair on top of a piston, you could probably fit more than an arm though the exhaust."
Well, here you are just ignorant. They are four valve heads, NOT two-valve heads. On a three foot bore (like the one linked here , and the Cooper GMVSS that I mentioned) the valve diameters are large, indeed, and through the port I could fit my arm through it, if it was not for that DAMNABLE VALVE. So, on four strokes, NO, you CAN'T. On the smaller 10" bores you can get hour hand in the port, but not your arm...
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"why would anyone put an office chair on-top of a piston?"
Again, your ignorance of the subject matter at hand is revealed. unless you want to KNEEL on the cold, hard, piston crown while you clear the carbon off the walls. As I metnioned in the past, you put your stuff on the piston crown, they barred the engine over, you did your work, and started spinning your PVC pipe with the rag on it signifying you were ready to have it rotated another few feet down the bore.
When you hit the bottom, you chucked it all in the exhaust port and carried it to the nearest turbo flange where you went back to the deck and went on to next task.
Sometimes, you guys simply make stupid statements. Mostly based on ignorance, I try not to hold it against you, but sometimes your stupidity of statement astounds me!
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"I would be curious as to how you crank one of those things to start it"
I mentioned (kind of incorrectly) some four vavle heads. Actually they are a five valve head. There is a fifth vavle run off the cam, called the "air admission valve" and it will shoot high pressure air into the cylinder at TDC do get the piston moving down the bore. Several in succession and you get a few tons rolling, and all you need is one cylinder to fire that diesel and BOOM! Away she goes!
Other scenarios use multiple Air Starters like you will find on Diesel Trucks, but usually on these big ones you have "Air-to-Head" Starting.
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