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So i've been driving for something over 6 years and from the get-go it was not good. I've never been in an accident worthy of note. (been in a ditch or two) But staying out of harm's way does not mean staying out of trouble with the law. Being a z car forum where most posters own multiple sports cars, some of which are very fast, how do you all keep your licenses and avoid getting tickets? Or do you? I know of not one person who can compete with the number of tickets, impounds, and money wasted on state police, local cops, DMV, towing companies, etc. I try not to think how nice my cars could be if that money had been spent on them. Am i just a complete speed junkie? So many people claim to be speed freaks, but can't hold a candle to the amount of **** i get myself into.
78 280z 2+2
88 300zx Shiro
83 280zx turbo
05 Kawi zx-6r (still a z i guess)
Post Edited (Jan 13, 10:23pm)
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Don't do ludicrously stupid crap where the cops will bust you for it:
THE TRACK.
If you seriously think you are "racing" on any public street, you are laughably misinformed.
One trip to the track and you will learn the difference.
Being a "speed freak" doesn't mean a totally brain deviod moron with absolutely no common sense.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Prudence......look it up.
Black, bumperless, 78 Z with MSA superturbo system, K/N cone filter, ported intake, and exhaust manifolds.....15.9 @87 mph.
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Actually theres a time and a place for everything.
76', 4 Speed, CAI, 6 into 2 Headers
Of all the things I've lost in life I miss my mind the most.
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Here's the thing (or maybe a couple things): i have never raced anyone, I rarely speed in the city, obviously i have some common sense being that i've never been in an accident, and i'm pretty damn observant and aware when i drive and more so when i ride. It's simply that when i drive, i don't attempt to control the urge to go faster. Especially now that all i have to do is rool my wrist back for a few seconds and i'm doing over 130. Another note: i am yet to receive a ticket when i'm doing serious speeding. Saturday i got a ticket and got my bike impounded for doing 57 in a 50 (i knew there was a good chance a cop would be at that particular spot.)
78 280z 2+2
88 300zx Shiro
83 280zx turbo
05 Kawi zx-6r (still a z i guess)
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before you drive your car - stand about 1 ft away from a wall and bang you forehead against the wall increasing the force until it no longer hurts.
if you can still walk after that then repeat the process.
take tonys advice try a track before you hurt yourself
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1980 280ZX coupe
2001 maxima
1994 F150 4x4 van works custom truck
170000 and never needed mech repairs
1996 ford explorer -they cant all be good
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Cops will mainly assert their authority upon you if you are creating a dangerous / unlawful situation with your vehicle (there are exceptions). Driving 85mph down a public roadway is probably not a good idea, especially a country road or a city street. Speed limits are there for a good reason in most areas (although i disagree with freeway limits).
1976 280Z
Draw-Through Turbo, 10 PSI, 4 Bbl Holley, E88, L28 (Flat), 10:1 CR, 5 Spd
1974 Corvette Stingray:
350, 400 Automatic, T-Tops, 8.5:1 CR, 78,000 Miles
1994 Acura Integra:
1.8L, 5 Spd, 189,000 and Counting!
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I will hopefully be enjoying my first trip to the track in March, I'm sure it will be a learning experience through and through.
1976 280Z
Draw-Through Turbo, 10 PSI, 4 Bbl Holley, E88, L28 (Flat), 10:1 CR, 5 Spd
1974 Corvette Stingray:
350, 400 Automatic, T-Tops, 8.5:1 CR, 78,000 Miles
1994 Acura Integra:
1.8L, 5 Spd, 189,000 and Counting!
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Driving for 6 years:
YOU ARE GUILTY
of D W Y
Driving While Young
You have made yourself a target.
Learn to drive correctly. You are young in a sports car.
TARGET!
What color is the car? How do you drive? What are the mojority of the tickets for? What is your attitude when pulled over?
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean you don't have enemies.
Are you in a small town or large? Is it the same cops pulling you over.
You need to practice defensive driving and change the habits that are costing you so much.
Use the search feature ans see past discussions on this. There is a lot of good adcvice here to others like you.
You are not alone. But this is not company your can afford to keep.
Ed and Jeanne's
ZXelda 1981 280 ZXT: ZXena 1990 300 ZX
1941 Buick Special Sedanette (Betty)
1956 Dodge Royal (Dorothy)
1971 Buick Riviera (Rita)
1975 Ford F-150 Stepside (Fiona)
1992 Firebird (Frieda)
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(hijack) Isn't Red the most pulled-over color in the U.S.?
1976 280Z
Draw-Through Turbo, 10 PSI, 4 Bbl Holley, E88, L28 (Flat), 10:1 CR, 5 Spd
1974 Corvette Stingray:
350, 400 Automatic, T-Tops, 8.5:1 CR, 78,000 Miles
1994 Acura Integra:
1.8L, 5 Spd, 189,000 and Counting!
Post Edited (Jan 13, 9:36pm)
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you knew there was a good chancethat there was a cop at that spot and yet you still was speeding? im not sure i get what you want here - is it sympathay because you think you are incapable of driving the speed limit?
have you considered seeing a head shrink cause you either need help or you are braging about how fast you can go.
you just said you had never been in an accident but in the beginning of this thread you said you had been in the ditch a time or two--so what you just happen to drive off in the ditch cause you forgot where the road was??
it is quite possible that you should take a drivers ed course cause you needit.
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1980 280ZX coupe
2001 maxima
1994 F150 4x4 van works custom truck
170000 and never needed mech repairs
1996 ford explorer -they cant all be good
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Sometimes the ditch is unavoidable, all you need is a deer in the road and a little bit of slush and you're in it (Michigan roads at least ;) ).
1976 280Z
Draw-Through Turbo, 10 PSI, 4 Bbl Holley, E88, L28 (Flat), 10:1 CR, 5 Spd
1974 Corvette Stingray:
350, 400 Automatic, T-Tops, 8.5:1 CR, 78,000 Miles
1994 Acura Integra:
1.8L, 5 Spd, 189,000 and Counting!
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very true but isnt that an accident?
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1980 280ZX coupe
2001 maxima
1994 F150 4x4 van works custom truck
170000 and never needed mech repairs
1996 ford explorer -they cant all be good
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Yeah, I just hope that nobody would knowingly drive into a ditch. :-\
1976 280Z
Draw-Through Turbo, 10 PSI, 4 Bbl Holley, E88, L28 (Flat), 10:1 CR, 5 Spd
1974 Corvette Stingray:
350, 400 Automatic, T-Tops, 8.5:1 CR, 78,000 Miles
1994 Acura Integra:
1.8L, 5 Spd, 189,000 and Counting!
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i agree but he speeds in front of cops so, hmm.
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1980 280ZX coupe
2001 maxima
1994 F150 4x4 van works custom truck
170000 and never needed mech repairs
1996 ford explorer -they cant all be good
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I appreciate zxtoy's [first] post for its humor.
Track has nearly zero appeal for me at this point for one because it's winter (track isn't open) and two because i see the track as a place to either pit oneself against others or for time trials. My cars are not particularly fast (no money to invest in them) and i'm not interested in competition. As for the motorcycle, i'd like to take it to the track when it opens to see how close i can take it to it's capabilities. But either way, the track will not cure me.
Tony, please don't assume i'm a moron simply because the consequences of my speeding don't outweigh the satisfaction that it brings me.
I'm not asking for advice on how not to get tickets. Period. I'm mostly just wondering if others fare as poorly as i do when it comes to citations and whatnot. I really don't think it's necessary to pull the whole "too young" or "not enough experience thing" because i believe that those statements are cliched and not the problem in my case. But of course that's my opinion and i recognize the statements in quotes above could well be what's clouding my thinking.
"Learn to drive correctly." Correctly being the speed limit or safely? Despite my "need for speed" i consider myself to be a very safe driver due to awareness, common sense, etc.
To answer some of erzelda's questions. . . The car i've recieved the majority of my tickets is the shiro (white). I believe i've explained a slightly my driving habits. The majority of my tickets have been for speeding, but it makes no difference when i get pulled over any more. For instance, i was pulled over recently because my car was "too loud." And once you have a number of tickets there is no "letting you off with a warning" since the officer looks at your record and then automatically moves on to ticket you due to past citations. I live in a small town, but have not yet been pulled over by the same cop twice.
Anyways . . . i apologize for such a lengthy post, but i suppose no one is forced to read it...
78 280z 2+2
88 300zx Shiro
83 280zx turbo
05 Kawi zx-6r (still a z i guess)
Post Edited (Jan 13, 10:07pm)
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Are you alone? It seems so.
I've been driving for twice as long as you and have never paid a cent in speeding fines - and my state gets a huge amount of revenue from speeding fines.
It is pretty simple gambling odds. If you spend most of your time speeding then you are much more likely to get caught. If you spend most of your time under the limit then life is a lot cheaper.
Putting the foot down is nice. But it is stupid to do it on city roads, freeways with speed cameras hanging from every bridge or when you know that there is 'a good chance a cop would be at that particular spot'.
Find a nice country road on the weekend. But you might still get caught, or kill yourself or someone else.
Or even better take the wise advice from the other guys and go to a track day, off-street drag meet or something like that. (But be prepared to feel slow.)
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"My cars are not particularly fast (no money to invest in them) and i'm not interested in competition."
Yep, you have NO IDEA of the cars capabilities, beause you stay on the street. Indeed you are an impulsive moron, plain and simple. You are the guys the responsible younger drivers are P.O. beause you "can't control youself"...
Not being able to control yourself is NOT an asset! It's a BIG LIABILITY.
Better to learn to control yourself, lest you kill someone. Kill yourself, I could care less, kill someone I care about, and I will hunt you down and seek my revenge...
"Because I can't control myself"---no reason for you to argue the point, if you say you can't control yourself, and that's justification, then so is it for me.
Anarchy.
Like I said, the refuge of morons.
until you go to the track, you have no idea what kind of rush you are missing.
You have some thought that 130 is fast? HAW HAW HAW
Try it around a 90 degree offcamber sweeper to the left. At speed.
You just have no idea.
What is this "winter" thing that keeps you from driving the track, yet allows conditions where you can go 130 on public roadways? It sounds like a strange dichotomy of season to me. Like one that doesn't really exist.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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"But be prepared to feel slow"
EXACTLY! Most of the "hotfoot" street drivers out there have ABSOLUETLY no idea how to REALLY drive in other than ONE direction: STRAIGHT.
Any idiot can go straight in a line quickly...Try adding a curve and that's where the balls shrivel up and seek refuge!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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I did not "know" there would be a cop there, but i had suspicion. If you have ridden a sport bike you would probably know that it's difficult to ride at a dramatically lower speed then moments before only because it's like coming down off of a high and suddenly everything becomes more dull. Yes i have taken drivers ed. and driver improvement courses. Some of the statistics they cover are what amount of speeding is ticketed the most. 0-9 mph over the limit was next to nothing. Not sure if i said it already, but i was not ticketed for speeding.
****, i realize that all the replies i've made have nothing to do with why i posted in the first place. I'm not asking how not to receive tickets, or asking for sympathy.
Blah.
78 280z 2+2
88 300zx Shiro
83 280zx turbo
05 Kawi zx-6r (still a z i guess)
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Tony, i wish you wouldn't make so many assumptions. I never said 130 is my top speed for one. Straight line bores me as well. And are you saying that i have no idea of my cars capabilities, or the capabilities of others? I CHOOSE not to control the urge to speed because i like it. And i'm not sure why you feel like saying that i have "no idea" about so many things because you really have no idea what i have and have not experienced.
78 280z 2+2
88 300zx Shiro
83 280zx turbo
05 Kawi zx-6r (still a z i guess)
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"If you have ridden a sport bike you would probably know that it's difficult to ride at a dramatically lower speed then moments before only because it's like coming down off of a high and suddenly everything becomes more dull."
So what do you do when the thrill isn't enough? Thrill shoot someone? How about make some snuff films.
What a CRAPPY excuse for what you are doing. Because you get a little rush?
Holy sh*t, man, I can TELL you have never been to a track!!!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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"I CHOOSE not to control the urge to speed because i like it."
So if I have the urge to, say, shoot you in the face, It's all right then, RIGHT?
Because I may have the urge to do little kids, I should be able to, RIGHT?
Same for if I decide to go on a raping spree or killing spree. Because I can't control my urges, that makes it O.K. in your book???????
Being a MAN means being able to CONTROL yourself. Apparently your confession is supposed to elicit some sort of chest-beating camaraderie between other people with your mindset, and you are disapointed that nobody here condones your STUPID antics on the public roadways.
People like you are a menace. Take it to a track. Period.
Oh, and I'll add that it was YOU that mentioned the number 130. When someone mentions a number, it reveals a lot about what they REALLY have done. Sure your bike MIGHT go faster, but by your presentation of 130---well it belies a whole tale about you that makes this post even more pathetic in it's search for approval, and someone to go "oooh, aaaaah!" at what you have said.
I, for one, am not impressed in the least bit.
(Yawn)
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
Post Edited (Jan 13, 10:31pm)
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Can you compare breaking a speed limit and taking someones life? The things i choose to take pleasure in has never inflicted harm on another individual and hopefully never does. Yes, tony, i was looking for some camaraderie in hopes that i would find some buddys to go speeding with. I'm disapointed that this thread has turned into little more than a worthless argument.
78 280z 2+2
88 300zx Shiro
83 280zx turbo
05 Kawi zx-6r (still a z i guess)
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yawn.
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1980 280ZX coupe
2001 maxima
1994 F150 4x4 van works custom truck
170000 and never needed mech repairs
1996 ford explorer -they cant all be good
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"The things i choose to take pleasure in has never inflicted harm on another individual and hopefully never does."
So you CLEARLY acknowledge that what you do DOES ENDANGER OTHERS!
THEREFORE:
TAKE IT TO THE TRACK.
What if your last "Rally Excursion" into the ditch instead took out some kids playing there? I mean leaving the roadway means you have control issues not only with your impulses, but with driving as well---the place to make those mistakes is where NOBODY BUT YOU is in danger. That place is....THE TRACK!
It really is that simple. You don't, because like Clinton said, you WILL be slow! And you can't handle that thought. You want to be king of the world, top of the heap, fastest thing on two or four wheels.
But at a track where everybody can see how fast you really are, and what skills you really have....uh, you don't find that at all appealing.
What does that say?
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
Post Edited (Jan 13, 10:49pm)
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some buddies to go speeding with? how old are you? buddies to go speeding with is what you do at a track.
you have gotten some very valuable life advice here i truly hope that you are listening to what is being said to you. sometimes being of age and the proper size does not make you a man. one of the biggest signs of maturity is the ability to control yourself . its what seperates the men from the boys.
you probably think tony is blasting you but in reality he is giving you some priceless advice.
it never fails to amaze me when some one doesnt get the answer they want and then doesnt listen to the ones they do get. if you dont want the answer dont ask the question.
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1980 280ZX coupe
2001 maxima
1994 F150 4x4 van works custom truck
170000 and never needed mech repairs
1996 ford explorer -they cant all be good
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"if you dont want the answer dont ask the question"
Indeed! Insightful commentary.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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I didn't ask the question that most of you are answering. Aparently sarcasm is not easily noticible by some (the buddies comment). Tony always has good advice, but often times, it is based on assumptions or given when it wasn't requested. I do not want to come off as though i think i'm a veteran to this site as i've only made a few posts, but i've been reading off and on for a few years.
Tony, i will say it again--i'm not looking for competition when i'm on the driving or riding. And yes, every time you take your vehicle on the road, you endanger yourself and those around you. Not rocket science.
78 280z 2+2
88 300zx Shiro
83 280zx turbo
05 Kawi zx-6r (still a z i guess)
Post Edited (Jan 13, 10:59pm)
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if your not looking for competition what do you want buddies to go speeding with?
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1980 280ZX coupe
2001 maxima
1994 F150 4x4 van works custom truck
170000 and never needed mech repairs
1996 ford explorer -they cant all be good
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I'm not looking for buddies to go speeding with. It was a joke.
78 280z 2+2
88 300zx Shiro
83 280zx turbo
05 Kawi zx-6r (still a z i guess)
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I'm constantly harassed by local cops... not because I speed, but because I'm a kid, and I've got longer hair... and I'm out EVERY NIGHT at 1 in the morning, coming home from work... doing the speed limit... and still manage to get pulled over at least once a week...and searched once or twice a month...why? -- because some people can't control themselves.
As far as controlling yourself in that urge for speed, -- sure it's fun to go fast, but it's not fun when you hit something or god forbid someone. I'd say you're not alone, but around here -- we call those types Ricers... not racers... they go at a higher rate of speed and make poor choices while doing it... and ruin it for the rest of us...
I control myself by thinking about what happened the last time I let my eyes wonder doing 5 mph over... went through a fourway stop (without a stopsign on my end -- in the night while raining) then getting tboned by a drunk doing 60+ and spinning out with several 360's and landing in a ditch... No fault according to the cops.
sure, you may have a "need for speed" but there is a place for that.
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Thanks for the input. I believe ricer is a term more generally used for those who soup up their cars with aluminum wings, clear tail lights, and fart cans. (originally a term used more specifically for cars imported from Japan)
It's amazing how difficult it is to impress upon people that one can drive/ride fast and still have a decent head on his/her shoulders. I probably cannot convince a single one of you at this point that rational thinking is a quality that i respect greatly and that i also have a good deal of it. I've known people who have purchased motorcycles in the middle of the summer and totaled them in less than a month. I purchased this bike in the beginning of november and have ridden every day since. I live southern oregon and i would estimate that 2/3 -3/4 of my riding has been in the rain, sometimes downpour. Surely i will get more ridicule for saying this as well, but the point i'm trying to make is that i'm not out to be a hotshot and impress all my friends with how i go. Riding in these conditions without wrecking alone should imply that i have a small amount of prudence and descretion as to where and when i speed.
78 280z 2+2
88 300zx Shiro
83 280zx turbo
05 Kawi zx-6r (still a z i guess)
Post Edited (Jan 14, 12:02am)
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No. You're a selfish 22 year old who'll probably kill somebody before you're 25.
Wow. Every word you type speaks volumes about your lack of maturity. Do tell us more.
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"It's amazing how difficult it is to impress upon people that one can drive/ride fast and still have a decent head on his/her shoulders."
Doing triple digits in populated areas on public freeways is stupid. It's not rocket science.
The place for that is THE TRACK.
You don't feel you want competition, and you reveal how ignorant you are about what it's like to really go to a track. The ONLY competition you have at most Track-Days is against yourself.
Then again, if you go off-roading at a track day because of your own ignorance to control your vehicle you will be black flagged and told to slow down.
That is the direct response from the organizers to someone who doens't know what they are doing, and they are enforcing common sense and driving within one's abilities for their own good till they acquire the skills to drive at high speed properly.
There is not any competition, it just your excuse for not doing the RIGHt thing, and being reckless on public roads. What you are doing is just plain stupid, and your age shows in your responses. They are typical. For as much as you say otherwise, you are Soooo typical of a younger drive, your responses soooo formulaic, it's not even funny.
A great example is you saying you have friends that bought bikes an racked them up in a month, but you have owned yours since NOVEMBER (wow, the BEGINNING of November, even!!!) and blah blah blah... What's that, TWO months? Wow, you are a good rider, aren't you?
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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I have to agree with 72n03Zs---will the healing begin any time soon?
LOL
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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The reason i made note about the time period i've been riding is because of the rain that occurs here in oregon. I never said i'm a "good" rider. I hope to become a better rider with time and if possible, more riding courses. But thanks for making that assumption. What i'm making a point about is that cornering in the rain is not something to mess around with and cannot be done carelessly.
Despite what some may think, i will take some of what is posted to heart because i know that a lot (most) of you have more wisdom and experience than i do. Unfortunately i have to argue against the assumptions made about me at the same time.
78 280z 2+2
88 300zx Shiro
83 280zx turbo
05 Kawi zx-6r (still a z i guess)
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Reckoner, your rationalizing your way around that mounting pile of tickets, thats all your doing. You'll continue to pile them up untill you come to grips with that urge to speed.
What do you want to do about it?
Do nothing and they'll keep on comeing.
It's up to you.
cheers
78 stockish
82 partish
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"Be careful of what you wish for - you might get it"
If you post here, thinking to get a reply - you will - just not always the one you want.
But sometimes - you might find - you get what you need.
Ed and Jeanne's
ZXelda 1981 280 ZXT: ZXena 1990 300 ZX
1941 Buick Special Sedanette (Betty)
1956 Dodge Royal (Dorothy)
1971 Buick Riviera (Rita)
1975 Ford F-150 Stepside (Fiona)
1992 Firebird (Frieda)
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(rant begins)
YOU SUCK AT DRIVING. SELL THE Zs BUY A SLOW ASS MOPED AND GET SOME DRIVING LESSONS. I have been driving around the same amount of time 0 accidents 2 tickets both for speeding, I deserved them and learned from my experiences. There is a reason you're constantly getting hassled you do not know how to drive.
Let me give you a comparison my Dad and my Aunt. My Aunt gets into an accident every 3 years, like a precision timepiece. She has totalled several cars. Every accident is someone elses fault. Now my dad. His car has only been in one accident. It was hit by a drunk driver while parked. Now both of these people have been driving for over 20 years. Your like my Aunt. You can't drive and you won't accept the fact.
I drive fast but I don't get tickets anymore and I've never wrecked. Unless you have ever been to a racing school you don't know how to drive. Drivers Ed teaches you the law and the basic functions of the controls, Defensive Driving teaches how to avoid accidents, all other courses are similar in design. German drivers are some of the best in the world for a reason.
The fact that you have been in the ditch several times and that you get so many accidents attests to three facts:
1)You are not aware of your environment
2)You do not have the common sense to avoid stupid risks
3)You do not give yourself enough lead in the event of an emergency
Your choice of vehicles indicates your are a speed freak with no self control. Slow down. The tickets are always your fault, getting pulled over is your fault the majority of the time. The fact that you're constantly getting pulled over means you've been marked by the cops as a troublemaker already, this is your own fault. All the accidents are your fault. You are doing something wrong.
Since you don't want to go to the track we can safely assume you have no will to learn how to drive. While the track won't cure the need for speed it will make you a better driver and it will teach you the limits of you and your maching. Make use of it.
My basic premise is this. I'm tired of people constantly complaining that they always get into accidents or constantly get tickets and they want an easy way out. Accident means you have no control over the situation. ALL ACCIDENTS ARE AVOIDABLE, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A NO FAULT ACCIDENT OR AND "UNPREVENTABLE ACCIDENT". ALL TICKETS ARE AVOIDABLE, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A TICKET YOU COULDN'T AVOID.
LEARN HOW TO DRIVE!!!!
(rant ends)
'60 Chevrolet Apache 10 235cid Stovebolt 6
'79 N/A MT (My Dad's but I drive it)
'81 Turbo (Mine)
FSM: $60
Shop Manual: $20
Reading the manual: Priceless
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So many accidents? I've been in a ditch once due to faulty reaction on my part to an animal on the roadway, and a second time due to my lack of familiarity with a car's handling on a wet roadway and also slight neglect (worn tire tread). Maybe you should settle down and pay attention to what you read. Way to go with the assumptions! Keep on rockin'. I blame no one for my record and ask for no one's sympathy.
78 280z 2+2
88 300zx Shiro
83 280zx turbo
05 Kawi zx-6r (still a z i guess)
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I did pay attention you didn't. Faulty reaction means you didn't react properly to the situtation. You were either going too fast or you froze. Hit the track and you will clear up both of those problems. Lack of familiarity with a wet roadway means you're going to fast and not paying attention! These are not assumptions I know people who do the same things you do and blame it on a one time occurance just like you do. The problem was you do not know how to drive properly, and for the record it does sound like you are asking for sympathy. There was a great quote earlier "Driving a slow car will make you a better driver".
Before you jump on me again for making assumptions. I cruise around in farm areas near ditches and wildlife all of the time, I've never been in a ditch and I've never hit an animal. This is because I slow down and pay attention to my environment. I was taught to drive in a huge lumbering beast and I'm a better driver for it. I've driven these roads in a utility truck that has poor braking, poor handling and near zero visibility anywhere but forward. I happen to be driving on these ditches at times that I couldn't even see the edge of the ditch I was driving on. On the road cars would try to cut me off and would dissappear in my huge blind spots, but I've never hit anyone. So don't tell me I'm making assumptions. I've been there. I was driving on these roads long before I got a drivers license. I've never been in an accident.
Grow Up then learn how to drive.
'60 Chevrolet Apache 10 235cid Stovebolt 6
'79 N/A MT (My Dad's but I drive it)
'81 Turbo (Mine)
FSM: $60
Shop Manual: $20
Reading the manual: Priceless
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he is not complaining. he is Bragging
1975 280Z [STOCK]
the answer lies not within the question but rather within the answer itself!
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When I was 18, a cop pulled me over for 48 in a 25 (I thought it was 35, but I was still speeding), it was 2am, and it was rainy... so there was no where on the road. I got away with a warning. Since that day I've pretty much never gone more than 5 over the speed limit (exept for a few times). That cop pulling me over was an eye opener. Since then (it's been 4 years now...) I've only been pulled over once... and it was cause I was in a college town on a friday evening and the cop mostly just wanted to poke his head around inside my car.
The moral of the story? Just because you CAN go fast doesn't mean you SHOULD go fast.
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57 in a 50 and your bike was impounded. Are you sure that is correct? There may be something you are not divulging here. I always understood it took more than 7 over to justify that kind of action.
If that was actually the truth of the matter then I think that you have a large target on you for what they could not get you for before. Possibly you could benefit from offered knowledege rather than diggin in trying to defend yourself ( which at this point is so futile ). Please sell the bike, find a 4 door grocery getter and put a governer on the car until you are capable of not being pulled over. I do speak by experience that police do not like a hotrod attitude or clever antics and will simply hassle you until you either give up the car, slow down,lose your licence or worse yet, kill yourself or someone else.
Point of the matter is that you should not be racing around on the streets. Simple. Good luck with the new flame job. You have primed yourself well.
RHD 1990 TT 2+2 5spd Black...
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On the topic of speeding, just exactly how many fines can you guys get in the States before losing your license?
In Victoria (Australia), where I live:
over the limit - $150 + lose 1 point
10 km/h over - $200 + lose 3 points
25 km/h over - $265 + lose 4 points + 1 month suspension
35 km/h over = $360 + lose 6 points + 6 month suspension
45 km/h over = $430 + lose 8 points + 12 month suspension
If you lose 12 points in a 3 year period you will lose your license for a year. You will end up in court. You will have to pay even more money. You will have to resit the test to get your license back.
If you are new driver (less than 3 years), you will get the same treatment if you lose 5 points in a 12 month period.
Now you understand when I said 'my state gets a huge amount of revenue from speeding fines'. And the cops will always tack on an extra couple of hundred dollars for 'reckless driving', 'failing to signal', 'broken taillight', etc. It is bloody expensive.
When I was younger, I probably would have been a bit more foolhardy and driven a bit faster. But when you earn $3 per delivery as a pizza boy it doesn't take a Chartered Accountant to figure out that driving sensibly is cheaper.
Are things a bit more leniant in the US because I can't imagine our 22yo friend Reckoner wanting to pay these kinds of fines on a regular basis.
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i've never received a ticket while in a city, but when i was younger i drove back and forth from college to my parents home on weekends. i got what you might call a lot of speeding tickets. i even had my license suspended at one point.
now that i'm a little older (29) and a lot more paranoid about cops i haven't gotten a ticket in probably 8 or 9 years. i also don't do nearly as much highway driving.
i definitely push the z occasionally (what would be the point of owning one if you didn't?), but i make sure there's absolutely no chance a cop is anywhere near me.
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( I'm mostly just wondering if others fare as poorly as i do when it comes to citations and )
the answer is NO
you must be leaving in a very small environment or sharing the privilege of driving with a license with: radio, phone, make up(?), scenery, co-pilot, Lil friends in your head?, pressures of life(many around) etc + poor judgment on when to speed (free way of course), if you concentrate in what you doing n look for troubles ALL the time you may improve your record, I do over speed limits on freeway most of the time, not all the time, know the limits of circumstances.. I did a lot of track (dirt) many years ago, today at 54 I still feel the urge almost daily to re-check mi skills drifting for awhile, especially when wet) n i do it!, not as often as I would like but I do it, accord with Tony I'm not a man, he is probably right, I'm not proud, I'm slowing down cause my reflex are not the same ( thats what the science guy said) ; the point is to look for troubles when you driving, like evrybody is your enemy, a wheel chair is not a funny thing, keep you car at top cond., choose the time!! or they will choose you, n picture yourself doing the street of baghdad even when going to the supermarket.
I don't believe in luck. Improve yourself.
Have you shared the left lane today?
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I have been driving for 25 years and have had a few (maybe 4 or 5) speeding tickets sprinkled over that span.
As far as accidents, I have been in the ditch twice in 25 years because of slushy/snowy conditions. I also got hit by a frieght train that was too close for me to see the high mounted headlight (before they had the lower flashing lights). It was dark out, and the rest of the train was obscured by buildings.
Cops are looking for guys like you....young, fast car, multiple violations, no insurance??, to write tickets to for little reason. It's thier job to protect the rest of us from repeat offenders suchas yourself, by hopefully getting the threats off the road.
AM I ALONE????? you must be alone, try getting a girlfreind to get your "rush" from, just put a helmet on that soilder!!!
Black, bumperless, 78 Z with MSA superturbo system, K/N cone filter, ported intake, and exhaust manifolds.....15.9 @87 mph.
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Reckoner,
I used to race sportbikes and after that everything on the street was in slow motion. The safety of the race track (runof room etc.) left me with no desire to do that on the street. So I drive my Z in a resonable manner, maybe a little over the speed limit, but nothing crazy.
Rich1
90TT
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"Anarchy.
Like I said, the refuge of morons."
We wouldn't need laws if people had & exercised common sense. Like not driving like a MORON & endangering my Zcar. Driving in the right lane (oops, wrong thread.)
There was a time when I got 2 deer & a dog with my truck. Damage was several thousand dollars. You're going too fast if you're hitting animals. Slowed down & havent hit any for years. This is in rural TN where they're plentiful. I use nearly hitting rabbits or possums as a speed indicator. If you hit 1, slow the **** down. Haven't killed an animal, gotten a ticket had an accident for years. Your choice.
Lev: young, long hair & out late have always been a cop magnet. Not conducive to higher income unless you can overcome it with talent ie rock star, programmer extrordinare etc. There are many bald, wealthy, old men that used to be dope smoking hippies. The key is to not do damage (brains aren't scrambled or splattered) so you can decide to do something productive later.
Viewpoint: "Cops are picking on me just because..." That may be true. Learn to fly below the radar or have enough money to fight them. Remember, the palm tree survives the storm. Oak tree breaks & dies.
Anyone can drive a new car.
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"as you can obviously see Bobby...phrenology does allow us to determine which road idiots will survive, and which will perish in a profound and painful way'
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Thanks, Tony.
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I don't know why so many people criticize. He didn't ask most of what you all are stating. Everyone on here has this 'never speed' attitude, but I doubt that everyone who has criticism for this guy lives up to the standards that they throw out.
I'm not asking for a response here, or a defense from any individuals, just don't understand why a car forum turns like this when someone asks a question. If you can't, don't, or won't answer the question, then why answer? If he didn't ask for your independant opinion, then he's not going to give a S$@* when you supply it.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION: I've gotten 1 ticket in 6 years, a few months after I got my license. I speed sometimes, race sometimes if it's only me and another person, and take my chances on being caught. I'm not condoning what his driving is like here. I'm not a fan of the track either, let's just say ... not my type of people at my local tracks. Alright, have a good one guys....
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"I want to be a Chartered Accountant!
And sail, the wide Account-ant-cy!"
LOL
THat is funny as hell, all I can think of is the Monty Python Sketch with all the Chartered Accountants as pirates as they sail their building into another for a hositle takeover!
ROMAFLOL!
Oh man, you kill me!
(So will Reckoner, if he keeps it up!)
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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you deny the facts that you suck as a driver!
In your last post to MaMZ you rationalize everything away, as if that makes what happend SOMEONE ELSES fault.
You just don't see what you are doing (rationalizing) as something wrong. You think it's a justification and viindication for what happened. You accept your own excuses as reasons to say "There was no way out"---therefore avoiding the fact you were in the ditch because IN BOTH CASES you simply were overdriving your capabilities.
I have missed deer countless times, never ended up in a ditch because of one. And if I did, it was quite simply because I was going TOO FAST FOR CONDITIONS OF VISIBILITY that allowed a deer to "jump out in front of me with no time to react".... I mean hell, you sound a lot like BUBBLES now, when he racked up his Z31...
Oh wait, now it all makes sense....
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Taking and using the rub pads of your leathers to go for a non-powered ride till you either stop or run into something that makes you stop lets you appreciate how much faster you REALLY ARE going on the track---just for the reasons you mention: if it goes away (AND IT WILL!) you will skate for a hile on your leathers, before jumping the bales---hopefully by then you will have LITERALLY scrubbed off enough speed for nothing more than a few strained muscles or a possible big bruise.
Till you've been REALLY at 10/10th on a track, you don't realize how useless trying to even get to 7/10ths is on the street. No matter what you do, the street is ALWAYS SO SLOW....so what's the point?????
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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"So many people claim to be speed freaks, but can't hold a candle to the amount of **** i get myself into."
Basically he is DISSING the people who leave him in the dust! I have gone FAR faster than he EVER WILL on the street---AT THE TRACK!
He is making the braggodocious testosterone filled statement, that is roughly translated as follows:
Because you don't run your car off the road, and get tickets, you aren't a real speed freak.
Well BEING PROUD of acting like an IDIOT and GETTING CAUGHT or WRECKING is not my idea of what a REAL speed freak is all about.
To me, being a speed freak is about GOING FAST. And TRUE speed freaks hang out WHERE THEY CAN GO FAST.
Tell me Niel Breedlove is a pussy...
Mickey Thompson...
Any one of the Red-Jacket Wearers (uh, that would be 200mph Club)
Or those guys with the "other colored jackets" (uh, that wold be the 300 mph club...)
"Speed Junkie?" Hardly, just another stupid kid who doesn't have enough common sense to realize he's endangering others by his antics, and has no concept of REAL SPEED yet.
TO A MAN, everyone who goes to the track after street racing realized that the STREET WAS A JOKE! It was "baby steps" and "local yokel time"---when you go to the track, there are people who are SERIOUS about going fast, and then you sort out the men from the boys. People who are serious about speed stay, AND GO FASTER. The kids, they make excuses and go back to be a big fish in a little pond.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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"Apparently you are!"
A legend in your own mind!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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tony just posted 5 times in a row... lol very passionate.
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(Everyone on here has this 'never speed' attitude)
not quite right , read again, slooowly
Have you shared the left lane today?
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" 'Speed Junkie?' Hardly, just another stupid kid who doesn't have enough common sense to realize he's endangering others by his antics ... "
Posters seeking advice generally receive it on this and other forums. Posters seeking acceptance and a group HUZZAH!! for idiot practices leave disappointed, often maligning respondents as befuddled dolts who just don't get it. And they rarely acknowledge the part their behavior has played in the group's reactions.
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My posts are in a "Threaded View" not a flat view.
Each responds to a particular point raised in one post, but not another.
Addressing points one-by-one is just being thorough.
Like I have said many times before, TURN OFF FLAT VIEW before commenting on ANYTHING I have posted, so you can see the REAL DEAL.
Flat View leads to serious misunderstandings on who is responding to what, or who is responding to who.
Just like your comment of "Tony Posting 5 times in a row"---in your "Flatview" world that is how it APPEARS, but you don't answer five posts as you read them, in one post. You address them one at a time, as you run across them--that way people don't get muddled trying to follow it.
At least, if they try "Threaded View"
Try to remember that before commenting on my replies in the Future, Justin. I am not a "Flat Worlder" I believe in responding TO the thread, not just lumping a general comment on the bottom of the board leaveing everyone to wonder who it was directed at, or what it was addressing. It's just one click away to see who I am replying to...pretty simple, actually.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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ass monger delux
braggin about riding his bike in the rain
bragging about doing 130 when its probably only been 120 and in a strait line not to mention he has a bike that can probably easily do 160+
talking about loving speed but all cars are stock (at least there turbos) but what is it 0 - 100 in 5 minutes - deffinatly going with an American driver with an American attidue (holy **** my 4.6L V8 is awesome it makes 250hp and 300ftlbs - omg the the road curves what do i do)
ill go with a shot tot he face may be a good idea - (dibbs on the 88)
take the SS out to an autox see what that dose for you you may like it and it may almost give you some driving skill
i like to drive fast as well but i can "controll" it and know safe speeds for the conditions and surroundings though every time you go outside or get into your car there is the chance of the retard / drunk that makes nothing safe add that to a bike in the rain speeding with your attidue and well ...
sorry but i get pulled over all the time because of the stupid "ricers" that ruin it for everyone - lets go 80mph at 7 grand in 5th gear in my burm burm down school street because im cool and maybe i can reach 82 mph this time befor the curve comes up and i have to stop get out and push my car around it because i really dont know how to drive
70 yay!
77 parts
81 compressed parts
86 compressed it handles
00 mercury cougar omg wtf : \ girl has to have something to drive
- owned
74.5 why did i sell you
81 1st car $425 found out s130s dont handle stock
82 good
84 BMW 325e omg never again
Post Edited (Jan 14, 11:59am)
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I am missing something here, anyway. What is the "big deal" about riding a bike in the rain, anyway?
I lived on Okinawa, for five years. You know, tropical island, middle of the ocean, rain every day kind of thing.
It rains, so what? I mean, I found it strange (probably because I rode over there for the first time) that when I got back here to the USA that a vast majority of people DID NOT ride in the rain.
I never understood it. In Japan, it's no big deal, it rains...so what?
To ride in the rain is a given there. When a bike is all you got, you RIDE!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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i personanaly dont know i have never owned a bike though alot of my buddies want to get then and a couple of there friends have one and they say make sure you have a car ridding in the rain sucks blah blah - i guess you caught me there wasent somethign i really know about and posted anyway though it just doesnt sound like much fun to me :P though i have never done i could love it who knows
70 yay!
77 parts
81 compressed parts
86 compressed it handles
00 mercury cougar omg wtf : \ girl has to have something to drive
- owned
74.5 why did i sell you
81 1st car $425 found out s130s dont handle stock
82 good
84 BMW 325e omg never again
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(What is the "big deal" about riding a bike in the rain, anyway?)
the bike gets dirty..
Have you shared the left lane today?
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Gotcha. Figured it as some sort of pussy factor involved! LOL
I never saw it as a big deal. Hell I rode dirtbikes in Condition 1-E Typhoon Conditions and didn't think much of it---it was the only time we didn't have to contend with a bunch of other riders, all the good spots were wide open and the mud was choice! Then again, you had to get back to base before they locked the main gates, or you would have to find someplace to ride out the typhoon for three days or so...
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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i have gone 26 years and no accidents and no tickets on my daily drver z. i agree, you really suck at driving if you have trouble with it,
79 280ZX -The best selling sports car of all time
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I swear this forum has gone mad..........you people slay me. We all could do something more useful with our time than bashing someone over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, it get kind of annoying to hear the same b.s. doesnt it........I wish I had as much time on my hands as some of you people do, I would count the number of times someing needed help with a problem on there car and someone jut told them to "search the archives". How does this place stay afloat if all you tell someone is the a simple search will show that this topic has ALREADY BEEN COVERED. Tony, I thought you where better than saying mean things to kids. what happened to the nice guy that helped me with my flattops??? we all need to get lives....including me......I feel so bad for wasting my precious time reading all those posts and wrighting this.....but you people anger me. this forum is full of more a-holes than I can count. would it hur any of you to just keep your mouths shut when someone is acting stupid.......think about what you people are doing......so imature and so mean and tasteless(except tonyd, atleat he uses big words we have to look up in the dictionary) why dont you all use a little couth and just not respond to stupid posts......This does not make sence to me. if yopu dont post it will be knocked off the front page in hours......but no......you have to keep responding and keep it on the front page for days.....I swear this place reminds me of the playground in elementry. im better than you ar......my car is faster than you....I have more tickets than you.....you are all idiots.....I hope you had fun wasting youre lives reading this post.....catch you later......p.s. I am not saying anything bad about tony, I think he is the only member of this forum that actually knows what he is talking about, and dont think I am taking up for you Reckoner, because you are stupid for getting so many tickets.......I would hate to be youre parents paying youre insurance......
1975 280z w/ dual SU's from Z Therapy
soon to be running around town!!!
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ok you will never get arrested for speeding
but you will for wreckless driving witch in most places is 20 over
driving in the ditch is wrecklessdriving and im suprised you didnt get arrested with all the other speeding tickets
and for your bike to get inpounded for going just 7 miles over most cops wont pull you over for that
much less impound your bike you must not have insurance or a motorcycle license
going 130 you said is a pretty big fine
speeding and wreckless driving
say you were in texas on a hwy speed limit is 65 everymile after 75 would be 5 dollars a mph your ticket would just for speeding would be $400
then add court cost $100 wrecklessdriving= jail time witch if you were to bond out would be close to $1000 plus the $500 when you go to court
and if you were to hit something and serve off in to the concrette barier oooooh how nasty that would be
or hit something like a anmal or even another car
you need to watch your self you can wind up getting in a lot of trouble with all the speeding tickets your a target and you can wind up hurting your self
even patrol officers that are trained to drive fast and quick shuffle stearing and all the precousions still get in accednts some times its thier fault and some times it some youngin taking a turn not looking to see the lights or hear a siren and the youngin burns out right in fornt of the unit and
"SMACK"
'82 280ZX SILVER
NEEDS WORK
FUN AS HELL
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dean's speech was one long run-on sentence. :D
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not a single punctuation in kwillia's post either.