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i notice time after time on here people talk about their tt like it is the fastest damn thing in the world..
i was reading the thread where a girl was wanting a z32... and some one said how she does not even need an n/a... hahahahahahahahaha *gasp* hahahahhahahahahahahahahaha...
come on get real... an na z32 runs a 15.2 in the 1/4.. not that much faster than a 6 cyl stang...
and a tt is fast, but not that special in stock form.. 13.9 1/4.. girls drive newer gt stangs which are equally fast
i have a friend with a tt... it was a n/a base model 1990... but he swapped the vg30dett in.. it has a ported lower intake, twin big ass intercoolers, divorced down pipes, no cats, 2 1/2 exhuast from the down pipes back, and running 16 psi.. it is fast.. and it will break the tires loose in third gear, but i still would not have a problem letting my girlfriend drive it..
in stock form they just are nothing to crow over... z people should drive other cars.. get out more.. iam sure i will get flamed.. but honestly you guys act like there is no faster car on the road..
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orange '72 240z
blue '72 240z
red (in places) '73 fairlady z 2+2
red '98 SWB chevrolet c1500 5.7
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You can argue how 'fast' they are, but they are difficult to drive in the rain with the 55/45 weight dist. and feel unusually stable at high speed cornering and in general. It is easy to get in over your head in this car. Maybe if you owned one you'd be more inclined to comment at it instead of reading some stats out of a magazine and claiming to know all about it.
I don't even see why you posted this. You are saying you trust your girlfriend driving a heavily modded 400rwhp+ sportscar? Good for you..
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19[TT]91
My TT beauty is gone.
2[00]2 Honda 954RR
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Long live the Z...
aka SAHTT
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You need to get some experience behind the wheel and then you'll understand. A stock 1990 TT stick would do nearly 5.0 in the 0-60, which is faster than most even today.
You do know why they used to call Porsche turbos "widowmakers" right?
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i have driven my friend's many times.. i don't know all about it,.. but i know enough about it to know that alot of people on here blow things out of preportion.. it sucks in the rain, but my truck is more difficult to deal with in the rain... seeing as how, it has no weight in the rear, positive traction, 3.73 gears, and though it may not have as much hp as a tt, it probably has simaler tq, and unlike the tt, it develops the torque alot lower,and does not have to wait on boost, so basicly if you step on the gas too much it will be in a ditch.. but i bet you would still let a girl drive it...
all iam saying is that it is not too much power for a 16 year old...
hell, you see girls driving ls1 ta's and z28's and they are a nightmare in the rain..
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orange '72 240z
blue '72 240z
red (in places) '73 fairlady z 2+2
red '98 SWB chevrolet c1500 5.7
Post Edited (Jan 2, 1:18am)
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there are plenty of faster cars today... mustangs, gtos... hell a neon srt 4 is faster...they are nothing special today.. sure they are faster than the avrage joe car, but most of the newer sports cars are faster...
i love the cars, and want one.. but they just aren't what people make them out to be
oh, i have enough experiance,. and my 240 would and has owned tt s
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orange '72 240z
blue '72 240z
red (in places) '73 fairlady z 2+2
red '98 SWB chevrolet c1500 5.7
Post Edited (Jan 2, 1:16am)
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Ain't know way in hades I would put an inexperienced driver(any age) behind the wheel of a car that can do 0-60 in 5 seconds!!
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12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
Post Edited (Jan 2, 2:00am)
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"most of the newer sports cars are faster" and look at how much you would have to pay for one. you can spend 60k on a modern sports car or you can spend 6k on a old sports car, now you should also acount for the fact that the people that can afford them, sure as hell dont know how to drive them.
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1981 n/a 280zx
1952 m38a1 jeep willy's
1971 fairlady 240z
95 300zx N/A
72 240z
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z32d00d and everyone else that quotes published 0-60 times and 1/4 mile times understand this: Those stats are under absolutely perfect conditions with a professional driver and totally useless to the normal driver. You can add 2 seconds on the 0-60 times for the average driver and almost 3 seconds in the 1/4 mile time for the average driver. And face it, we are all average drivers otherwise we'd be on the circuit. TT's are not the zoom-mobile the owners say they are simply because of these published numbers. I spanked one of those Subaru 300 hp cars with my 280ZXT all summer long (he is a co-worker who mouths the great numbers and thinks it applies to all cars) and will continue to do so. And my ZXT is factory. Published numbers are NOT accurate representations of the cars - only runs with the owners can represent the true prowess of the car.
1981 280ZX Turbo
60,000 original miles
Still OEM (except for tires, fluids, and filters or course)
Swartz Creek, Michigan
It's a dog-eat-dog world out there, and I'm wearing milk bone underpants.
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so what? i see girls driveing harley davidsons all the time. you think driveing a hot anything is only a guy thing? you living in the past.
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You didn't get near the rise out of the Z32 folks saying they are not fast as I did saying they don't stop good.....I'm jealous
Just for the record though, one of the guys I'm aquainted with in ZCOT has a Z32TT (different guy than my earlier reference), and last I spoke to him he was running mid 12's in the 1/4. If I remember correct he was on street tires, and he doesn't have radical mods....just the average Z32TT goodies, what ever that is......
Ken
'82ZX n/a 2+2
'02 Sportster XL1200C
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Who said that? The Z32 is the greatest car ever made. Well to me anyway. I've met girls who drive tt's at z meets, no problem on my end. And if I remember right the srt-4 is in the n/a z32 territory. Plus it's a neon.
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Maestro,you are correct,sir.thats the funny thing about magazine stats.we have one of our members with a TT(slightly modded) that can run consistant sprints in 4 flat and can eat most cars without trying.it pisses off the Vette lovers but,the driver makes all the difference in the world.
and Ken, this guy is trying to debate about something in which he obviously knows nothing about...so,why should Z32 owners get upset about something a desk jockey says.the stock Z32 brake setup is not good compared to what the car can do...that shouldnt have been an argument.
If all were equal, none would be strong.
Ballistic,Ruler of Interstates
Stage XX+ 1993 Z32 NA
"SoulTaker"
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You guys don't think 300hp with dual turbos is too much for a girl's first car? Hell, I would have LOVED a Z32 TT as my first car, but in hindsight, I know better. I'm 25 now and am mature enough to own a car like that, because I don't like to street race and try to show off and burn other cars off of the road. Besides, a good percentage of teens wreck their first cars.
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I never really asked Damon about all the mods he has done to his Z32TT. I was left with the impression that he was pretty knowlegable on the Z32's, and I would bet he has done more to it since the last time I spoke to him. He's got a pretty distinctive color sceme.....Car is green, and the wheels are yellow. From what I've seen of his car and driving at AutoX and Time Trial it takes the turns as good as it takes the straights.
Ken
'82ZX n/a 2+2
'02 Sportster XL1200C
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Post Edited (Feb 5, 9:48am)
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Well brian your son was the exception to the rule.
I don't know how many kids I have seen wreck fast cars within a year of getting their license.
Getting a kid a starter car with 150HP or less is the best way to go in my opinion.
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12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
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A 300hp car for a 16 year old kid? that has disaster written all over it. No 300ZXs arent the fastest cars around but they are fast, plus it'll do over 100mph with out breaking a sweat. I wouldnt trust ANYONE around that age in a 300hp car.
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Justin T
72 240Z L28, 5-speed
77 280Z 5-speed (t-boned 8-25-04)
80 280ZX automatic(retired)
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The Z32's are quick, esecially the TT's.
one thing you have to remember about these cars and magazine times...... The VG30DE(TT) motors did not break in until about 10K miles. a year old 300ZXTT would usually smoke a showroom new model because motor had finally "broken in". If you read some of the long term tests on these things, I think they were reporting 0 to 60 srints up to 1/2 second faster.
they arent the fastest thing out there, but in terms of bang for buck, they rate right up there. not to mention that it still loks dead sexy, even though its almost 2 decades old!!
McAdam
1980 280zx with a mildly ported N47 maxima head, 60mm TB, -C- stamp 256 degree camshaft, and a 2.5inch mandrel bent exhaust. yeah, its quick, and yeah, its a 2+2. NOW with MSandS_E power!
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Yea, if I could get enough money outta my Z31, modified DSM, and 280Z with tons of extras, I'd sell them all in a second for a red or black twin turbo Z with a 5 speed.
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yes they are great for the price... no doubt, you can pick a up a decent one for 7k.. defenatly nice......... my friend made one pass at a track, he ran 13.8 with a 2.2 60ft and a 112 mph trap speed, he missed the **** out of third gear.. not 112 mph trap is usualy a high 12 second pass.. iam not saying that they aren't nice when modded... he lost oil pressure at the end of the pass, and was not able to make another one
thanks brian, mastero...
oh and the srt4 may be a neon, but it runs 13.8.. it is in tt teritory...
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orange '72 240z
blue '72 240z
red (in places) '73 fairlady z 2+2
red '98 SWB chevrolet c1500 5.7
Post Edited (Jan 2, 10:28am)
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the 280zxt stock isn't anything special compared to todays cars...but in 81 it was rivaling exotics. what good does it do to compare a 10+ year old car to brand new cars?
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once again somebody comparing apples to oranges.
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Ok, let's make a different argument then:
These older cars don't have the same quality or quantity of airbags (if at all) that newer cars have. They also don't rate nearly as high in collisions, since leaps in space frame technology have been made since even the mid-90s. So IF your teen is going to act like a freak and crash like many many do, then they would be safer in a newer car.
My SO keeps telling me to sell the Z and buy a newer Corvette because of the safety features. I know the Corvette would not be as practical, and every second car on the road is a vette, BUT it would be safer.
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my dad lets me drive his 350hp 66' corvertte stingray, iam 19 had my liscence when i was 16 and never gotten a ticket or been in a fender bender, ill try my hardest not to any of these.....
73' 240z: F54 4.2L, OS Giken LY DOHC Crossflow head, 17:3comp.ratio, N33, Tripple SU's, T10 Hybrid Draw-Through TT @ 47pds, Roots&Centrifugal Type supercharger, 3-2-1 headers, Centerforce 4 clutch, 6oz flywheel, R300 differential, Super-Hicas
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lol i can see my little sister (16) forgetting wich pedal is the brake and flooring the car into a blockbuster or something.
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All drivers must be subjected to driving a 1962 VW Microbus in STOCK 40HP form until they reach the age of 21.
At that point they may progress to a 63HP 72 Beetle until they are 25.
At that point, after learning sufficient road manners, they can have whatever they want...
People who grow up on powerful cars simply don't appreciate them as much as people who "work up the food chain".
If a Trabant was legal here, I would say they had to drive one of those, too in that "learning period"!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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chicks dont need fast cars to get guys...
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I got more than one "Holy Shite Ken!!!!" from friends in High School when I was zooping around in my stock 73 Beetle....I admit though, it did have that massivly powerful dual port 1600, and Hurst spring loaded short throw shifter.
Before that (age 15) I made my first pass in the Duece at 119 Mph at a local 1/5 mile drag strip, and yes....Dad was there (Bro had to work and we needed the points), and no Mom didn't find out till many many years later! Pop knew he would have been skinned, and I wasn't tellin! LOL!
Ken
'82ZX n/a 2+2
'02 Sportster XL1200C
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"Man, Tony, I never been in a Bug that would do wheelies before!"
Yeah, been there, done that.
Like I said, underpowered cars make you learn how to DRIVE, and you never have the luxury of using excessive power as a crutch to get you out of situations.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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If you know how to drive, and drive how you should on the roads it doesn't matter what car you have. You shouldn't be going any faster than 70. Most of the time around 40 or so depending on where you live.
Everyone at my school thought I was nuts for driving my Z to school. I would wait for the civics and jettas to clear out and then slowly leave the parking lot in style with a nice deep growl from my Z, at least compared to the civics around. Now sadly I have a 200sx while I search for my next Z. I'm getting it on spring break. I can't wait!
Sports Cars aren't ment for rain. At least not going fast. You can be just fine in snow if you know what your doing.
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1991 300zx N/A - Project
1995 200sx SE-R - Daily Driver
1982 280zx 2+2 - Sold
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A nice soft rain, on and off enough to keep the track good and wet will put a grin on my face everytime. Running at the limit at a Time Trial or AutoX in the wet is something else in my opinion. I had the in-car camera rolling at one Time Trial, wipers running the whole time, it's a blast!
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Just for a nice apples to oranges comparison, my friend and I (my friend that doesn't like the Z32 brakes) were at a TT, he ran before me on a dry track. In the ten minutes or so I sat waiting the clouds let go and wet the track. After it slacked to a drizzle, I got my runs with the wipers running. His car and mine were modded about the same for the models, he had exhaust pipes I didn't have. Z32TT in the dry was 9 seconds faster than a 280ZX n/a in the wet, on a 1.7 mile course 8 turns if I'm counting them like they do.
Ken
'82ZX n/a 2+2
'02 Sportster XL1200C
Post Edited (Jan 2, 8:09pm)
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Rain falls on the track, keep the streets on, air UP the pressure, and go for it.
People who can't drive in the rain belong in the same meat grinder as the left laners!
Survivability in the rain is more a quantification of a driver's skills, and the tires he has. Rain means little if you have the right tires at stret speeds, and if you have racing rains, very little on a track, either!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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I'm with Matt300ZXT. When I was 16 I wanted nothing more than those 2 turbos in my Z, but damn, would that have been a bad call. I'm now 18 and think that I could control it well, but I wouldn't have the judgement to want to control it all the time. I would have died at 16 with 400bhp+.
Learn to drive hard, consistantly, and maturely before even considering the jump over 200whp.
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Pete1978z: "It's not that I think stupidity should be punishable by death, I just think we should take the warning labels off of everything and let the problem take care of itself."
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Would you consider a 240z an "underpowered" car?
youth is wasted on the young
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The Z32 wasn't engineered to be a fast accelerating quarter mile machine. None of the Z cars were meant for this purpose. If you measure a car's greatness based on 0-60mph and 1/4 mile times, then you need to get yourself a proper American muscle car. (Even the new "Pontiac GTO" or Holden Monaro isn't a quarter mile machine. So what is what now?)
I'm also confused why everybody complains about the rain. Driving in the rain is exactly the same as driving in the dry. The only difference is that grip levels and visibility are reduced. Other than that, your driving technique does not change. You still counter impending slides with opposite lock and control the throttle to steer the car, etc.
I'd rather have a car I know how to drive well than simply a car I know can go fast.
1971 240Z
"Fear is exciting for me." -Ayrton Senna
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Post Edited (Feb 5, 9:48am)
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There's a saying I know of; twice the turbos, twice the trouble... I'd take a Z32 TT in a heart beat though, but I've lost count how many times I've seen them for sale here really cheap with one cooked turbo, or both... Sounds like a headache to own one no?
As for driving in the wet, I think it's the coupe body shape which makes Z's a bit loose in wet conditions. A good driver should be able to correct it, but I must say it took some practice and a real nice set of suspension and tires for me to feel confident driving my Z in the wet at any sort of nice speeds. Also I have heard that 2+2's are more forgiving when sideways than 2 seaters so that would contribute to it aswell. I could be wrong...
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