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i've got a question that has probably been asked many times,
why is it that every one wants a supra, and knows what one is, supras have a HUGE following, yet not nearly as many people are into the z32 tt?
they were simaller in price when new, simaller in stock performance, and i would think that the z32 has as much potential as supra..
so why is it that that at decent turbo supra would cost around 22k minimum, and you can get a mint z32tt for around 10 k?
to me, the z32 looks way better
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orange '72 240z
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red '98 SWB chevrolet c1500 5.7
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Five words, "The fast and the Furious", that and everyone is atracted to the 1000hp+ dyno queens you see online.
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Justin T
72 240Z L28, 5-speed
77 280Z 5-speed (t-boned 8-25-04)
80 280ZX automatic(retired)
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well a 500 hp and a 800 hp supra have the same time slip.. you can have all the power you want, but if you cant put it down..
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orange '72 240z
blue '72 240z
red (in places) '73 fairlady z 2+2
red '98 SWB chevrolet c1500 5.7
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Not only do they not put the power down, those really high HP suparas have those giant turbos that take too long to spool and the power band is pretty small and way up in the RPMs. Thats why they have the dyno queen reputation.
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Justin T
72 240Z L28, 5-speed
77 280Z 5-speed (t-boned 8-25-04)
80 280ZX automatic(retired)
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There were a lot more Z32's than the Supras so I think that has something to do with it. Interestingly enough Toyota actually pulled the Supra from production when the Z32 in late '89 once they seen what they were going to be up against. They went back to the drawing board and released the car three years later (already equiped with 555 cc injectors by the way). The Supra do, however, have a very stong engine and the car did very well in racing. Personnaly, I thought the looks of the car were more love it or hate it and I leaned towards the latter. The F&F movie also had a big impact on the Supras but to tell you the truth, I'm glad the Z32 TT is pretty much not part of that whole thing. Look on the 90-96 forum or TT.net and see the reaction there any kind of riced out Z32 shows up.
Rich1
90TT
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"well a 500 hp and a 800 hp supra have the same time slip.. you can have all the power you want, but if you cant put it down.."
Well my buddy has 800 to the wheels, put down a low 10 second pass last year and should be good for high 9s this coming year.
The "500 and 800 put down the same times" is an old wives tale.
I have friends with very fast Z32s and a friend with a very very very fast Supra.....I'd take the supra ANY DAY.
The really really fast Z32 is very modified internally, and is still running the risk of breaking apart at every pass.
The Supra is stock internaled except for the cams, and has taken PLENTY of abuse.
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Rarity.
Reliability.
Durability.
19[TT]91
My TT beauty is gone.
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Sorry but I would take a Z32 over a Supra, If you are going to push ridiculous figures on either car you are going to have to do work on the internals so whats the point? Maybe the supra holds out better on stock internals indeed....
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Z32 all day long, and not cuz I'm biased...Supras are ugly as hell.
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>I have friends with very fast Z32s and a friend with a very very very fast
> Supra.....I'd take the supra ANY DAY.
Thanks for that scientific view.
Post Edited (Dec 20, 7:50pm)
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OOOOoOOOOooo thats a toss up...........
73' 240z: F54 4.2L, OS Giken LY DOHC Crossflow head, 17:3comp.ratio, N33, Tripple SU's, T10 Hybrid Draw-Through TT @ 47pds, Roots&Centrifugal Type supercharger, 3-2-1 headers, Centerforce 4 clutch, 6oz flywheel, R300 differential, Super-Hicas
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i love the z but for me supra here any day as well
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"Thanks for that scientific view."
Ok, the Z32 has aprox 600 RWHP and about a bazillion dollars invested into it, yet it constantly has tranny issues.
The supra has a HELL of a lot less invested into it, makes 800RWHP (granted, it is still an expensive car) has no tranny issues, has no engine issues and gets beat on a lot more often than the Z32 owner does (because the supra owner is not worried that this or that will break).
Granted, when you get up into the 1,000 crank horsepower range you start to have little annoying things fail....Like the 2 aftermarket fuel pumps that are the size of fire trucks and are connected to AN hose that is the size of fire hose. Takes 2 of the pumps to feed the beast and unfortunatly each pump failed this past year.
Not many cars at all can say they are a 9 second daily driver with air conditioning, running a 3 litre six banger engine with stock pistons/rods/crank/block.
I'd take the supra any day. Faster, sexier, more rare and much more reliable.
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You have to remember that one instance of tranny issues does not mean the tranny on the Z32 is fragile, and most Z32s will never see 600 hp, nor will most Supras. Say you want a quick car, maybe 400 hp. The Z32 will be there for $2000 or less. The Supra is probably similar. They will both be reliable fast cars.
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the Z just seems like more of a mature kind of sports car... and the supra fits in the flashy rims and vinyl everywehre crowd...
both can put out big hp... but one is a little more professional looking when all is said and done.
77Z- (mfg. 7/77)
"Arm-chair Autox'er"
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I love both of them. Both of them have their advantages and disadvantages.
Here's where the Z32 lacks in my opinion:
While the VG30 is one of the best V6s I have ever seen (the one in my 93 Pathfinder hasn't failed me yet), that's just what it is, a V, inline sixes have always been stronger. Maybe that's why the 2JZGTE can withstand more HP on stock internals. Notice that another INLINE six can withstand high HP on stock internals...our beloved RB26DETT. Even to this day I fail to see why Nissan went from the inline six to the V6. Whatever restrictions they encountered with that, they could have overcame (obviously Toyota did) and stuck with the inline six.
It also lacks in the sense that Nissan practically shoehorned that VG into the engine bay. I get headaches just thinking about working on one of those. God forbid you have to do any cam, valve, valve cover, drive accessory or tune up work on it. Nissan is notorious for this however. Even in my Pathfinder, you have to frickin take the intake plenum off to change the driver side valve cover gasket.
That being said, the Z32 is very very stylish. It's very fast stock. A stock Z32 is just as fast as a stock Supra. It's a little bit lighter than the Supra. It also has a bit sleeker, stealthier stance than the Supra's weightlifer, 'bowed up' stance.
I like them both and if I had the money, I'd have one of each.
Yes, too bad the 'Fast and the Furious' turned the Supe's reputation into what it is. They are very nice cars.
God must love stupid people, he made SOOOOO many of them!
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The Z32 drivers I've known that Time Trial have had brake problems. At the '01 ZCOT track day in Hallett, a friend and Z32 driver made no bones about telling the group at the drivers meeting that "all you Z32 drivers, your brakes suck!! No matter what you think, if you lean on them, they WILL go away." His words.....not mine. He has replaced his factory Nissan brakes with Brembo because he got tired of them failing him......$2000 worth.
Now I'm sure that will piss all you Z32 guys off, but I know this guy, I know how he drives.....he doesn't BS, especially about high performance driving. If you are a ZCOT member you know who I'm talking about probably, he's usually the heckler at meetings. I had personal experience with this as well while instructing a guy in a Z32 N/A. I told him to take it easy on his brakes, he didn't and we were done in about ten minutes. I could imagine how fast a Z32TT's brakes would go away given higher speeds due to the additional power.
Have no clue about the Supras brakes or anything else for that matter, but brakes are certainly a weak link in the Z32. Fixable, sure ChaChing!!!!!! all better now :-)
Before you get all pissed at me for downing your Z32's, I'm not downing them, I like 'em just fine.
Ken
'82ZX n/a 2+2
'02 Sportster XL1200C
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I'm willing to say flat-out, that is incorrect. The z32's brakes stock for stock were as good as or better than all the competition during its time, including the vette and many porches. You have to be reasonable.
Many, if not most, of the z32 brake systems are not what they should be, in other words poorly maintained. This is by far the #1 reason why people think their brakes 'suck'. I'm not saying the ZCOT member doesn't know what he is talking about, but any 3500lbs car being thrown around a track at its limits are going to kill the stock brakes or at least cause fade fairly quickly, I don't care what car it is.
The reason the supra is so popular is because of its competition. The 3000gt is a POS. Looks cool, but it's a POS. The RX7 has a legendary reputation for poor reliability, perhaps the most legendary. The z32 is known as hard to work on and very complex, which it is. The z is also known for being mistreated moreso than the others [avg condition is worse, especially regarding n/a's]. The supra is known for holding ungodly amounts of power reliably daily driven. It is worth how much they cost, regardless of Fast and the Furious indirect marketing.
19[TT]91
My TT beauty is gone.
2[00]2 Honda 954RR
Suzuki 1200 S; sportscar eater
19[I4]94 Integra GSR Sedan
Long live the Z...
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"but any 3500lbs car being thrown around a track at its limits are going to kill the stock brakes or at least cause fade fairly quickly"
That's the point, the stock brakes can't cut it, that's why he went to Brembo. He drives his car at the limit 100% time on track, the guy is a mad man on track. That's why we go to tracks isn't it? Really a bummer when you have to pull off because your brakes went away.
He had too many problems with stock brakes, with the Brembos, he can toss that 3500 Lb car around all day with no problems. Maintenance wasn't an issue, he keeps his car at a very high state of repair. So yes, to me, that qualifies as "sucks" .....evidently to him as well, enough that he was willing to spend some major cash to rid himself of them. Like I said, "the brakes suck" were his exact words.
I'm not downing Z32's, just quoting a Z32TT driver, and stating what I have seen with my own experiences. Granted I've got a 800 Lb advantage over him, but his Brembo equipped Z32TT, with race tires, couldn't stop any better than my ZX with nothing more than good pads and fluid on street tires. I saw that myself when I followed him into braking zones. I was very shocked to tell you the truth......I assumed the Z32 could out stop a 280ZX, but it can't.....it's just too heavy.
As far as being equal to a Porsche.......not a chance. I run regularly with PCA, the 911, 944, 962 etc etc, can out stop a Nissan, period. I've seen that first hand as well.
Ken
'82ZX n/a 2+2
'02 Sportster XL1200C
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Almost completely missed my point, but that's ok. I agree, for heavy track use they could definetly use an upgrade.
My point is, what 3500lbs car from the early/mid 90's doesn't? However, hey don't suck, they just don't hold with enough endurance to support heavy track racing. I don't think it's fair to expect that. Go look at some car and driver's or whatever mag around when the z32 came out. It stops quite well, and yes it does out perform some porches of its time in the standard 120-0, and 60-0 mph tests. I didn't say I went to a track and took notes in the breaking zones after the longest straight. I don't really want to spend the time go find this online. I respect your experience on the race track, but simply watching some cars outperform others is not an indication that it is absolute. But scientifically testing fade against other cars is more difficult. Compared to stock sportscars of the early 90's it stops very well, especially for street use, which it was designed for. The bottom line I'm trying to approach is don't give the car's brakes 'heat' when they don't deserve it. For normal driving, they are very adaquate. I'd also recommend getting upgraded ones for heavy track racing, which I do for almost every production car made, especially ranging when the z32 was produced.
Do the z32 brakes 'suck'? No. They are on par with every car in its class within its production time period, in fact near the top.
Do the z32 brakes 'suck' for heavy track racing? Quite possibly, depending on how hard you drive the car. They can have great initial 'bite' with good pads and a healthy system, but will fade due to the enormous size of the car.
19[TT]91
My TT beauty is gone.
2[00]2 Honda 954RR
Suzuki 1200 S; sportscar eater
19[I4]94 Integra GSR Sedan
Long live the Z...
aka SAHTT
Post Edited (Dec 21, 10:21am)
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Funny thing if he's using the Nissan Brembos....... most GT-R owners that run them on the track toss the factory Brembos because they suck, and a GT-R is close to 500lb lighter than a 300Zx.........
1990 GCZ32 Fairlady-Z 2+2 Twin Turbo - for sale less engine and tranny (legal for US import) $4,000 and 1989 R32 Skyline GT-R
Vancouver, BC
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Just to correct a few misstatements above,
1. The GT-R is about 50 lbs lighter than the TT.
2. The 280zx's braking isn't even close to that of a TT, stock vs. stock. The best I've found for 60-0 for the TT is 119 ft vs. the 280zx's 150.
3. To say that the stock TT brakes 'suck' without comparing them to anything is just plain stupid. They 'suck' compared to what, a Supra, a chevette? Unless a comparison is made with another car, the comment is useless.
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my opinions
z32tt = dream car - it got me into the Zs
strait 6 > v6 one thing i dont understand why to the v6
- dose the v6 fit im just gonna say no (sure it dose but you get my point) no room at all
supra = good looking car
z32tt - a littel more calm a littel sleeker as said a littel more mature looking - alot better in my opinion kinda like the skylines - see this regular looking type car and then bam 0 -86586mph in 10 sec though the z32 still is a sporty looking car its not all flashy its just sleek and strait with a good stance
if i had my choice it would be a strait 6 z32 probably an rb maybe a supra motor
but as for being realistic i will own a z32tt one day and the v6 will work fine and push just as good numbers though i would also owna supra if i could
my main thing is what has allready been said - i am pro strait 6 and well nissan likes to stuff the motor in a littel tighter than most cars
z32 > supra - both awesome cars just depends on your style
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It depends on which GT-R you are talking about, some of the R34 GT-Rs are heavier than the Z32TT while some of the R32 GT-Rs weigh less.
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Justin T
72 240Z L28, 5-speed
77 280Z 5-speed (t-boned 8-25-04)
80 280ZX automatic(retired)
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r32 are the lightest of the gtr's the heavies is the r33 i think.
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The R34 GT-Rs were the heaviest, some last special editions weighed closer to 4000lbs than they did 3000lbs. The R33 is in between the R32 in R34 in terms of weight, they were both sub 3500lbs
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Justin T
72 240Z L28, 5-speed
77 280Z 5-speed (t-boned 8-25-04)
80 280ZX automatic(retired)
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Ken, I'm a regular at Summit Point for Fridays at the track. I also own a Porsche 356 and have owned a 85' 911. The breaking issue is pretty subjective and I must say I would go with the Z. Most stock brakes experience fade, that's why companies like Brembo exist. But the main reason why I would choose the Z is handling-it is definately superior-one of the best balanced cars of its day-far better than any 944 or 911. As far as the "Supra" issue, I would love to drive one and then form an opinion, numbers and huge horse power potential do nothing for me.
1990 N/A 300ZX
1957 Porsche 356
1998 Oldsmobile Intrigue ( daily driver)
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Just one more comment-I use stock rotors with Hawk pads and Motul fluid. I also baced the master cylinder. With these upgrades I've never had any problems and thats running 140 in the straight followed by hard braking the rest of the way.
1990 N/A 300ZX
1957 Porsche 356
1998 Oldsmobile Intrigue ( daily driver)
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STRAIGHT SIX
If it was up to me, they would still be making the 280zx
I'd be first in line for a 2007 280ZX, you can keep the GT-R
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Maybe just do what this guy did......... check out the fourth video from the bottom........
http://toprpm.com/eng/videos.htm
and the having an R32, I can tell you, it is a LOT lighter than a Z32 (like two fat guys in the back lighter)
1990 GCZ32 Fairlady-Z 2+2 Twin Turbo - for sale less engine and tranny (legal for US import) $4,000 and 1989 R32 Skyline GT-R
Vancouver, BC
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I'd imagine a 2-door R32 would be a whole lot lighter than a 300ZXTT 2+2, probably 600lbs or so.
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Justin T
72 240Z L28, 5-speed
77 280Z 5-speed (t-boned 8-25-04)
80 280ZX automatic(retired)
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I dont exactly know the weights for sure. But by looking at most info on the web the r32 gtr is about 400 pounds lighter than the z32 (curb weight).
1990 300zx TT Manual (2 Seater)
Sold - 1976 260z 2+2 Turbo, I'll miss you ol friend.