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So I enter my car in a show this past sunday. Nice show lots of really cool imports. G35'S 350'S toyotas, and a few of us old skool Datsuns. I don't go to any show hoping to take home a trophy, This show was judged by the group that was putting on the show. My car is not a MSA type show car but I think its pretty darn clean, I don't have any pics to post so you'll have to take my word. 1972 240, silver paint two months old, new motor 280 block, triple webers, nice clean engine bay lot's of chrome, polished aluminum parts that I made, aluminum radatior and so on. Interior is all new. seats are recaro black tweed over silver swede, door panels match. all new carpet, tires are bfg's 225-50-15 also new. panasports deep lip wheels, polished lip with dark grey centers. euro bumpers new, blinker lights new, you get the picture. It's a brand new 1972 Datsun. So they give out the awards and I win 2nd place for best 200 series datsun. The guy that won 1st place had a 74 260, nothing under the hood, MSA air dam on the front that was cracked and ready to fall off, no rear bumper, Big ass brown primer on the rear of the car, Interior was just there nothing new. So I wonder what the hell happend?
71 auto X car, #371 CSM
72 driver, with too much stuff to list.
Prez, Z Car Club Inland Valley
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Well.................
"I don't go to any show hoping to take home a trophy,...."
"So they give out the awards and I win 2nd place for best 200 series datsun."
GREAT - So what's your problem...........????
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If my reply sounds offensive, TAKE IT AS HUMOR !! MUUUUHAHAHAHAHA !!
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...'77 280 ZEE-EEK.....If it's got Wheels.....It's gonna Cost Ya ! !
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I have entered both my Zs in various car shows. I am as confused when I win as I am when I lose. No logic to it that I can see and when you add in the "politics" factor it gets even wilder. Go figure.
How about some pictures? Your Z sounds really nice.
John
77280Z (Spooky), 83ZXT (Garage Queen), 86ZXT (Bulldog).
Proud owner of 10/03 Z car of the month.
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If the other car was even close to clean I would not have a problem, I would have been fine with it, I guess I'll just have to get my auto X car done and see if I can win another regional title. Lot's more fun driving than sitting.
71 auto X car, #371 CSM
72 driver, with too much stuff to list.
Prez, Z Car Club Inland Valley
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I like shows as social events, but the judging tends to irritate me.
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"It's a brand new 1972 Datsun"
no it's not a new 1972 datsun, it's a 1972 car with 21st century mods.
if the rules were for "best 1st gen", you were lucky to get second place.
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How does a rusty, faded grey Fairlady Z 2+2 with spider webs end up taking second at MSA the two years it's entered?
Answer: The BBQ stuck on the back end is a crowd pleaser.
In your case, you talked to to many of the people, and pissed them off---you have that way about you, I've noticed.
Anyway, instead of pissing them all off, you should have said "YO DUDE! VOTE FOR MY CAR!" Maybe put a cobra decal under your hood, roll in on some Dubs... Oh, and don'tforget to leave a few rivets out of your interior.... That's always a good one for People's Choice Shows...
In the end, he probably had a crewe of buddies that all voted for his car.
That's the only way I explain the Fairlady Winning...
There's no accounting for taste! LOL
I say we find the 260 owner and steal his shite! We can store the booty at Ians place till the heat's off. With as much crap as he's got stuck in the garage, nobody will notice a trophy or two stuck in with the other swarf!!!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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your so far off-base on that commentary you don't EVEN know!
it's not a show that was for concours judging, it was a custom car show.... His car qualifies for the CUSTOM catagory for SURE!
If it was a CONCOURS, I might agree, but the show he went to wasn't a concours, it was a CUSTOM CAR show...
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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dude, he never said it was a custom show, just a "car show". whatever, he did not meet the reqirements of what the judges were interested in.
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yeah, that's why I clarified it. It was a CUSTOM car show, not a concours.
You need HIM to tell you that? Maybe he'll repost. But that's the case...I know what show it was.
That aside, your statement about him not meeting judges criteria may be true, but the other about the car is not only incorrect, it's irrelevant because you made an incorrect assumption about the type of show he was involved in...
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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that's right. if he does not say what the contest was, hard to figure out why he's ranting against it. since he does not know, i was just suggesting a possibility.
79 280ZX -The best selling sports car of all time
Post Edited (Dec 12, 11:24pm)
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There are odd choices made. When you see a car in primer spots take a trophy in front of a finished car, you wonder what is going on.
There are shows that wouldn't even let an "incomplete" vehicle into the show area!
This is where people who show up infrequently at shows start to have a problem with the decisions made: incomplete car looking the way it does gets the nod over a clean complete car...
WHY?
Thing is, many times it's totally subjective. it's what the promoters feel like they want to do. In some cases, it may boil down to "I saw him take a trophy last year, give it to someone else this year!"
Personally I feel that is wrong, and ends up discouraging high-line vehicles from showing after they win the first time. And as a result the show quality suffers in the long run.
In ZCCA Judging, the criteria are very well spelled out. All you do is read the rules. But where no rules are posted, you sometimes end up like zweet z: Wondering "WHY?"
I mean, when you go to a National Competition and find guys with Carbon Fiber Accent Panels in STOCK class, as a judge, you simply ask "WHY?"
It goes on all 'round!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Join the club dude, I have my car judged in the modified calss against a car that I think is not worthy of the class. I took second place, and really did not expect it, I was just glad I got my car there LOL.
I dont know why either, but that is life, have a good time and enjoy seeing all of the cars.
signed pseudotechnician view point, Sniper S^$ker, with girly arms : UCC 1-207
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I could easily take first place in my ride......as long as no one else showed up! My cars are never pretty :-( boo hoo
Ken
'82ZX n/a 2+2
'02 Sportster XL1200C
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You go to a car show to see the women, then the cars.
If you're wanting to fare better in the judging element of the show, take a car that makes the decision easy for the judges.
Heavily medicated for your protection.
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"You go to a car show to see the women, then the cars."
-if you're going to go see women, go to a strip club. Either place, the girls are pretty much 'untouchable'. They are usually snooty models that are getting paid handsomely to be nice and cordial to you, so when you're at the car shows, you minus well enjoy the cars first.
God must love stupid people, he made SOOOOO many of them!
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I can't figure out your comment gogriz, what are you saying?
The sliver car he brought was a definate looker.
His question was why does a looker take second and a beater take the class? Seems counter to what a "car show" is supposed to be about.
I mean VW shows have a "worst of show" that people actually COMPETE for---as in make their rides LOOK WORSE than they really are!
In that case, this would make sense...
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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"you minus well enjoy the cars first"
Does that mean the same as "you may as well enjoy the cars first?"
Why are strip club girls "untouchable", BTW?
And I mean besides when they are working and the security gorilla makes sure there is no contact for the blue law satisfaction?
I mean, nailing a stripper has got to be about the easiest thing under the sun to do...
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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"Does that mean the same as "you may as well enjoy the cars first?""
-yes, for everyone here that ISN'T from the South. Zazu, Cville and Matt300zx, Y'all should know what I'm talking about. Haha.
"I mean, nailing a stripper has got to be about the easiest thing under the sun to do..."
-yes, provided you have sharp enough game, and/or you have enough money and/or you can convince her over all the other umpteen patrons of the club that also want to take her home.
That's the easy part.
The hard part is making sure she doesn't pass on to you her Gohnasyphiliherpes simplex 1000 she conracted from one or more of her previous thousands of partners.
God must love stupid people, he made SOOOOO many of them!
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The ants are my friends, they're blowing in the wind.
The girl with colitis goes by...
It's not a regional colloquialisim, its ignorance of the english language, it's syntax, and simple definitions of the words used. It's like the old "Imprisioned Militant Muslim Character" played by Damon Wayons on the old "In Living Color" show: "I find your baginalosity protrudes from my spincter, indubatibly, and in perpetual perpituity!"
Some find it funny, others find it sad.
Goes hand in hand with "Irregardless" "Subposably" "Redivicisim"
All words that sound close or sound like words, but aren't...
I fall into the "Find it sad" sometimes, "Find it funny" the other times. Since it's supposed to be bad to laugh at someone's ignorance, I have to say that display makes me "sad"...
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
Post Edited (Dec 13, 10:40am)
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...are you guys talking about, anyway? I nominate this thread as the most nonsensical of 2005.
FWIW, If they ever created an "Ugliest Z" category at shows, I would kick everyone's butt. But I still like the ol' rattletrap.
'76 280Z driver, '75 parts car
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Jeanne and I had the same problem when we first got into cars - taking the '41 Buick to shows. There's much difference in judging and we have seen shows where the popular car club wins and others are barely noticed.
We would like to have a trophy but then that kind of wears off when you realize for all the effort you would come out cheaper buying your own trophy and engraving what you want. In a year or two who knows or cares what the heck it was for.
What we wanted out of the cars shows was information and how to judge our car - we got so much conflicting info - is she all stock - original - slightly modified - what the heck do newbies do?
Finally one out of town show - no trophy But! The guy who won our class with a '39 Buick limo (had crumpled rear 1/4 and bad touch-up paint) - (peoples choice show) came over to us and said that our car should have won hands down over his.
He explained what was wrong with his car and that most people even experienced judges don't know what to look for. We had a great talk and some barbaque and soft drinks and he went over "Betty Buick" like a national meeting Judge.
He told us that we should take her to a national meet because she was so original that she would be easily classed as an archive car and those are getting rare for research purposes.
We were greatful for some knowledge we didn 't have before and meeting a really nice guy in the hobby.
Later other members in the club told us who we had met - George was known as the "nice guy" of buick collectors and had retired to Dallas but lived mostly in Chicago. He had been the head Judge for pre-war Buicks at the National meets for decades and wrote the book on judgeing '30's & '40's Buicks.
What the heck do trophies mean anyway - the car and the people are the thing in this hobby.
Ed and Jeanne's
ZXelda 1981 280 ZXT: ZXena 1990 300 ZX
1941 Buick Special Sedanette (Betty)
1956 Dodge Royal (Dorothy)
1971 Buick Riviera (Rita)
1975 Ford F-150 Stepside (Fiona)
1992 Firebird (Frieda)
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>yes, provided you have sharp enough game, and/or you have enough
> money and/or you can convince her over all the other umpteen patrons
> of the club that also want to take her home.
They key part being "money", and any chick that is with you for that is too expensive anyway. :)
>That's the easy part.
>The hard part is making sure she doesn't pass on to you her
> Gohnasyphiliherpes simplex 1000 she conracted
LOL.. yes, you're basically asking for an STD. Besides, who would want to sleep with a skanky stripper anyway!?
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mike240 you're right I honestly dont understand what you mean.
Currently parting out 1990 300zx TT.
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i would suck at being a judge.i would give preference to the cars that werent trailer queens.
If all were equal, none would be strong.
Ballistic,Ruler of Interstates
Stage XX+ 1993 Z32 NA
"SoulTaker"
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I've taken my share of awards over the years the Rice Rocket has been on the road. Sometimes there is no rhyme or reason to who or what wins. The trophies and plaques I value most are the ones I've gotten at all-Z shows. They kind of validate my work; cause they are given by people who appreciate Z's and know what has gone into my vehicle. I have found a good use for trophies. After they collect enough dust on your dresser, shelf or mantle, take off the plaque or emblem that denotes the award and occasion; and donate the trophy to your local elementary school. They can give them out for various achievements at the end of the year, like perfect attendance, etc. I once donated a trophy that was easily 5' tall. Can you picture some fourth-grader about 3 1/2 ' tall getting that for good grades? 'Mom, look what we need to squeeze in the mini-van' I go to shows to hang out with my friends, drink some beers, check out women, and relax with my car. I just get a kick out of talking with folks who appreciate my ride.
'71 240 - triple Webers - MSA header & exhaust - '79 mags -'89 Maxima white pearl paint --- can be seen on p.24 of the MSA catalog, showing the side stripes.
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I dont regret not attending. Something about a car club calling themselves anything with the word TEAM in it sound like dumb rice to me. Your results prove my point.
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What I'm saying is if the cars at the show aren't appealing, then maybe the spokesmodels are.
You go to a carshow instead of a strip club because there are no cars in the club if the strippers look like hell.
Heavily medicated for your protection.
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Some other famous southern lines:
The universal phrase any time you misheard or did not catch what someone was saying...
Generic: "come again?", "I'm sorry?" or "excuse me?"
South: "Doo-WUT?"
2- An expression of half-hearted resolve:
Generic: "I presume I will..." or "I guess I am going to..."
South: "Ah Reckon..."
others include:
"over yonder"
"Cain't"
"helluva"
"Git'r'dun" (I hate that one, even though I am a GA boy)
"Ya'll"
Just so you know, it ain't ign'ance, we just took all the long boring words and made em shorter and easier to say.
Previously owned: 2005 Z Enthusiast, Super Black, 6 spd.
Currently lease: 2006 Pathfinder S, Silver, Auto
"She is (and always will be) my little deuce coupe, you don't know what I got!"
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my grandpa was stupid, my daddy was stupid and by god i am going to be stupid too!!
1975 280Z [STOCK]
the answer lies not within the question but rather within the answer itself!