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ok this happened to me 2 days ago when i was out driving my Z to the hardware store.
well it started as I was making a right onto a 4 lane street and i noticed this guy making a left off of the same street i was on and he was coming right at me! well i kind of assumed that since this was a 4 lanes street (2 lanes each way) that he would take the left lane and i would take a right, but i guess he had other plans, i ended up slamming on the breaks missing him by no more than 2 ft as he cuts accross right in front of me! I was a little shaken up but for most parts ok, it was over, no big deal, well apparently to this other guy he didnt think so... he proceeded to change one lane over and pace me. this was in fairly heavy traffic, so there was noting i could really do, the hardware store was only 1/2 a mile down the road anyways, so i just kept driving and tried not to make eye contact. So i reach my turn make a right, look up in the rearview mirror, and what do you know... I see this pissed off Mexican in shades ridding my ass in his white Cady! so i make a right onto the street that runs in front of all the stores, then another into a parking isle, look up, yep he’s still ridding me...so now im getting a little worried, i decide that i am just going to get back on the road and keep driving. well i reach the end of the parking isle make a left, look up again, hes gone! look left, and here is this guy in his white Caddy about 3 cars widths away driving to the side and slightly in front of me headding me off, and trying to box me in! apparently an easy drive outa there was not going to work, so it was time to do it the hard way... I was scared, I planned on getting the hell outa there, and he knew it. quickly making sure the car was in first I punched the gas and the caddy simultaneously followed suit. i quickly gain distance on him (thank you low end torque!) and make a hard left into one of the isles, accelerating, breaking, then another left out onto the street going in front of all the stores, this time tires squealing and the back swinging wide as i once again punched the accelerator. Woah! I was powersliding the little beast! While this is happening i can see him coming fast down one isle over, so i keep on it hard, flying past him at about 40mph, making another left, again tires squealing, I look back, he is still coming after me! but by this time i have gained some distance on him, I saw there was a small gap in traffic, so i make a right, barely slowing down, back onto the road i came on, ran through a yellow light, and got outa there. No way in hell he coulda followed.
when all was said and done, I was shaking like mad, and counting my blessings. I was lucky for allot of things. I was lucky there were no stop signs, people, or speed bumps in that lot, i was lucky there was a big enough gap in traffic in the right lane for me to make that turn, i was lucky that that light was yellow, and not red, and i was certainly lucky i had my Z and no other car!
looking back, i really dont think it was an accident that he cut me off the way he did, i really think that he was out there looking for trouble. why he picked me? I dont know, but it just goes to show there are people out there looking to start trouble, even if there doesnt seem to be any apparent reason.
Before now i had only thought car chases like that happened in movies. That the closest i would come to something like that is while day dreaming about it in a little 'what if' scenario... How i was wrong...
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wow... crazy... did you offend anyone lately? lol
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you do realize people making a left hand turn, with the light, have the right of way...compared to you making a right hand turn?
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You shoulda kick that motha fukas ass! I think your Z deserves a nice waxing and a total clean up, it performed great and u smoked that vato!
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Oh domdogg123 good point, but I was pulling off of a smaller street, the intersection did not have a left turn lane or arrow, if that is what you mean. it was a normal green so If anything, i think i had right of way...
oh and i had just washed and waxed my baby a week before, maybe thats why the ol' Z performed so well. :)
maybe i'll post some pics.
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People are getting crazy, I don't blame you for jetting out of there. If the guy wanted to have a word, thats one thing, but trying to box you into a parking lot is crap. You had the right of way as long as he wasn't already transiting the intersection. Some people you cant reason with. I had a similar situation where some guy with a truck followed me to the grocery store to lecture me about "cutting him off". I was driving down a 2 lane road, and dude was turning left from the left side of the road, he almost blindsided me, and I had to gas it hard to keep from getting run into, if I had hit the brakes I would have slid right into his passenger door. He gets right on my bumper and flashes his high beams at me. I ignore him and pull into the store parking lot a couple blocks later. Its daytime and theres a ton of people so I wasn't too stressed about it. He pulls up behind me, blocks me into the spot and starts yelling at me from his window. He thought I was speeding and could have slowed instead of "blowing by him like a maniac", I explained my position, he didn't seem to care. Called me a couple more names and drove off, almost hitting another car in the parking lot in the process. Some people just don't like to be wrong and refuse to accept it.
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Dont worry about stupid people like that the same thing happened to me in my 300zx, he chased me for a good 5 minutes trying to ram me off the road and I finally left him pretty bad on a straight away, then I hide in an alley and back then I hadnt done my turbo conversion yet so that pushed me even harder to put some power under hood! So now a days I look for that thunderbird lx hoping he will try to catch my 12 second Z. I was pretty upset after wards but you just have to realize if it were not for stupid people then there would be no smart people...
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your lucky he didnt shoot you. this time.
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and another loon says he carries a gun and would fire away.
You did the right thing getting away from the Caddy any way you could. There are freaks everywhere, but you made it home. Leave the macho crap to the wannabes and the movies.
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briann510 wrote:
> And that is exactly why I carry a gun in my car. The dude is
> lucky he doesnt get shot doing crap like that. If that was me
> and he pulled the exact same thing it wouldnt of lasted half as
> long and his car would have been disabled and probably himself
> also..
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> Im backing Ted Nugent 100% on arming and allowing every citizen
> to carry a firearm. Not many people would pull much of any crap
> knowing they woud be hassling an armed citizen. shoot first
> then ask questions!
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There are so many things wrong here that I don't even know where to begin. Its the morons like Ted Nugent who want to put the guns on the streets. A gun is not something that you use to intimidate people with, a gun is something that you use to kill somebody else with. You can call it self defense, but thats a cop out because the only reason you'd need a gun is because idiots like Ted Nugent will put a rifle in any other idiots hand. Plus, do we ever really need to kill the person who cuts us off or tries to run us off the road?
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yeah I just don't like guns. A friend of mine got caught up with them and eventually got himself shot... he didn't die, was shot in the upper leg but still.. I just hate guns, people die all the time for no reason..
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I really am glad you had it to get yourself out of the situation.
Waving it around and plugging other cars in traffic or parking lots is a totally different scenario. Today, that's what every punk-ass in baggy clothes thinks is cool manhood, and then you or your loved one gets blown away because you "disrespected" some ass hole while driving.
G-force did the right thing. Get out and get home. Hug your family and thank God you're alive.
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Then everyone has a gun in the car, and the dicks that now run red lights are also waving a weapon at you because you chose to stop with the yellow rather than speeding up to get through and made them stop.
There's no easy answer. I saw a video game ad last night where some character's head was blown clean off and the body kept on standing with a raw neck stump, only dropping after 4 or 5 seconds elapsed. And cops getting blown away as fantasy jerk-offs build their crime syndicates.
All glory to the gun in the face. What a country.
But I digress.
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ahhhh it was me playing those shoot em up video games as a kid that has caused me to be this way! now i have the answer! LOL
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advice for next time, get his plates, call the cops and report it, more often then not they will follow it up right away
just a couple of months ago i was headed out to a party, this beat up buick comes barrelling out of the parking lot and goes on to the curb and rides it opposite of me head towards me, then he guns it to the other side, at that moment i was right near him and passing him, i had to gun it to pass him...i was driving a camry v6, and it is by no means speedy...nearly had a heart attack, he came so close to my door its not even funny.
i called the cops and like 25 secons later down the road i see them coming and chase in pursuit, but i doubt they got him...25 seconds rural area...who knows where the fool could've gone too...but i'm sure they'll be on the look ou t since i gave license and a detailed description
if u don't have good ocverage on ur z, get it, no telling what other fools, or when bad luck hits.
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naw.. I play those shoot em up games all the time. Those are the best games of course.. I still don't think anybody needs to carry a weapon while driving. You should be worried about driving, not how to scare some shithead off. I'd just get the hell out there fast, and call the police so they know that I'm driving 90MPH through neighborhoods/surface streets because somebody is chasing me.
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I had something really similar happen to me after a pickup truck cut me off TWICE on the SAME block. The first time was when he changed into my lane. As I changed lanes again to turn left, he missed the front of my car by less than a foot and made the same left.
In the parking lot, I saw him coming around the other side of the aisle and he sped up head on to my car then jammed on his brakes. He proceeded to back up and get on his way.
Appalled, I got out of my car and encountered the guy--who was a big manual labourer. I asked him what his problem was. He said I was tailgating him. I told me he cut me off twice on a single city block. Then I told him stop acting like a jackass in public. When he snapped back, I stared at his eyes for a few seconds and told him to STFU.
The only difference between my story and yours is that you violated the other person's right of way. Be careful next time because there are jackasses out there in the world . . . if you did not know already.
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Next time that happens and if it's possible drive to the nearest police station.
Glad you are ok, that guy needs his ass kicked.
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Hows it go?? "if guns were outlawed.................
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Should move to MN and get a conceal carry permit like everyone else.
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Indy has a conceal carry permits, gotta renew mine anyhow.
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That mexican was in the wrong. A lot of people forget the little tidbit about traffic law where you have to stay in the same lane you are in when turning onto another street. Technically he changed a lane without signaling.
And yeah, carrying a gun in the glovebox is an excellent idea. HOWEVER, you'll need to know that if you're ever pulled over its likely you'll be cuffed just for officers safety. Be SURE you tell the officer that theres a gun in your glovebox before you go reaching for your registration and stuff.
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you know what freak those people out???
call their bluff, just stop in the middle of the road get out, leave your door open and start running towards them... usually freaks them out.
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QUOTE: "Author: briann510
Date: Dec 4, 11:09pm
And that is exactly why I carry a gun in my car. The dude is lucky he doesnt get shot doing crap like that. If that was me and he pulled the exact same thing it wouldnt of lasted half as long and his car would have been disabled and probably himself also..
Im backing Ted Nugent 100% on arming and allowing every citizen to carry a firearm. Not many people would pull much of any crap knowing they woud be hassling an armed citizen. shoot first then ask questions!
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What if he was the one with the gun waiting to box someone in and shoot them for points with their gang banger buddies. That **** happens a lot. They think it's a video game like GTA and go around killing people because "It's Cool".
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whats the law in your state? Are you allowed to just shoot someones tyres out?
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Hell no...But if he doens't get your tag who's to say you did it?
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Here in Fla., we have concealed carry AND castle doctrine as law of the land. We can carry concealed on our person, w/ permit, and we do not have to retreat when confronted with deadly force, either at home or in public. Loaded firearms are legal to have in a vehicle, as long as they are in a case or holster, and in a glovebox or console, i.e., it takes two actions to get them. This does not require a permit. I would have to classify a Cadillac with an angry driver as an example of deadly force that could properly be met with the same. I make it a point to carry my piece everytime I take the Z out. And a note to phxZ31: Ted Nugent is NOT a moron. Read the U.S. Constitution. What part of "...shall not be infringed" don't you understand? An armed society is a polite society.
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What if he was the one with the gun waiting to box someone in and shoot them for points with their gang banger buddies. That **** happens a lot. They think it's a video game like GTA and go around killing people because "It's Cool".
no it doesnt. no they dont.
just becuase thats what the anti-gun media wants you to belive, doesnt mean you have to believe it. try thinking for yourself, whens the last time you have seen something like that happen? unless someone mistakes you for someone else on a rare occasion, chances are you wont be randomly shot by a gang banger. people dont just go around randomly starting **** and killing people because they think its cool. theres always a reason, wether its rational ornot.. theres always something you did, wether its yoru skin color or religion or the type of car you drive, theres always something. nobody thinks real life is a video game, nor do violent video games cause people to be violent.
havign said that, thats why i keep a fully charged cell phone with me @ all times, you dont even have to have service on it, just as long as it powers on you can dial 911 and they can assist you.
all i would have doen is got on a small road (in an area i am familiar with) and boxed him in. just get him behind you and drive 10-15 miles epr hour, too fast for him to get out of his truck and keep up with you but slow enough to keep him in control. or like in the parking lot, you could have just stopped and went into reverse - either way you didnt get hurt. just keep an eye out for that guy, kuz he might be looking for you.
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CaliTT wrote:
> What if he was the one with the gun waiting to box someone in
> and shoot them for points with their gang banger buddies.
> That **** happens a lot. They think it's a video game
> like GTA and go around killing people because "It's Cool".
>
> no it doesnt. no they dont.
>
> just becuase thats what the anti-gun media wants you to belive,
> doesnt mean you have to believe it. try thinking for yourself,
> whens the last time you have seen something like that happen?
> unless someone mistakes you for someone else on a rare
> occasion, chances are you wont be randomly shot by a gang
> banger. people dont just go around randomly starting **** and
> killing people because they think its cool. theres always a
> reason, wether its rational ornot.. theres always something you
> did, wether its yoru skin color or religion or the type of car
> you drive, theres always something. nobody thinks real life is
> a video game, nor do violent video games cause people to be
> violent.
One question... How old are you?
http://www.peace.ca/videoviolence.htm
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No one likes what guns can do. No one likes people getting shot and killed, especially regarding innocent people and or their friends/family. However, there are times when you are seemingly left with no choice. Guns are peices of metal, you don't blame cars when a pedestrian gets hit do you?
I don't have a concealed handgun, but I seriously considered it when I started riding my motorcycle as my main transportation. A friend of mine's cousin was riding a new sportbike he just spent 11k on. He was sitting at a light and a group of hispanics in a flat-bed trailer [like a lawn mowing setup without all the equipment] got out, beat him off his bike, then rolled it onto the trailer and drove off.
Yeah he had insurance, but he was in the hospital for several days for an eye wound and now has a deep hatred towards specific people.
If the scenario that this post was about had happened to me, I would have called the cops and reported his car/license plate immediately, hopefully in a manner in which he could visually see.
I've been run down and chased going down the wrong side of the road for miles. This was a personal matter, but until you've been there you don't know. If I had to do it over again, I would have disabled his vehicle as soon as possible. And if he got out of his car after me [he did], I would make those his last steps. The rest would be in a wheelchair.
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you need to carry a fake police badge, something to simply flash his way (it works better to defuse the situation than anything else). then drive normally.
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Given your situation at the moment, I'd say you did the right thing. I would have reacted differently since I do carry a weapon AND if Kingston (my Doberman) was with me, which he usually is unless I'm going to work, a few 'I'm gunna bite the sh!t out of you unless you leave my master alone' barks would have probably done the trick. If the dumba$$ kept coming towards the car, I'd just gladly open the door for Kingston to hop out. Even if he did have a gun too, I don't think he'd want a 90lb pissed off Doberman coming after him, especially if his master was right behind him with his own gun.
I'd say the dude was pretty stupid coming after you, ESPECIALLY since he didn't know if you were armed or not. I'd pay money to have some moron try that crap with me.
I'm glad to see you got through that ok though. I would check with the cops to see what you can carry in your car if you don't want to carry a gun. Pepper spray, stun guns, paintball guns (not lethal but you can ruin someone's day with one), and of course, a large, pissed off dog, are some viable alternatives.
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One question... How old are you?
that link you gave me makes me laugh, i mean.. IT MUST BE TRUE IF ITS ON THE INTERNET. violence begins @ home and not because of TV or video games, becuase of inattentive or violent parents. violence isnt any MORE rampant nowdays than it was 100 or even 50 years ago, the only difference is that you hear about it more now becuase of the media and communications infrastructure. a kid gets shot in idaho, you hear about it on the news in texas. a riot in LA you hear about it in NY. 50 years ago you DIDNT... did it still happen?? yes, it did. problem is that so many sheep get hammered into thinking that its not thier fault, they look for an excuse to justfiy it, it must be video games. im sure that mexican in the cadillac not only grew up on GTA but he might have even had an xbox installed into his caddy, god forbid... you know i bet that after he tried running this guy off the road he pulled over in a dark alley and started touching himself as he unpaused his saved game and smoked crack. i mean hell, youd think that all of these video game conventions would be a horrible place to go, what with all these blood thirsty violent criminals runnign around, counter-strike tournament?? hell no... i dont feel like being shot tonight.
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Ive had 2 or 3 people try to chase me down, whenever I notice its happening, I start chasing them, but Im 6'4 and love mixing it up.
I dare not own a gun....................
In Fla, road rage is frowned apon in a big way, and if you would of had a
cell phone and called 911, the cops would of jumped on it quick, esp in
Tampa, I think we have more cops then we need, or just carry a personal
500,000 volt hand held light em up stunner.
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Video game violence might make you desensitized, but it doesn't make you commit violence. I grew up playing violent games, and do not have any violent tendencies. I *do* however not pay attention to violence much anymore.. ie. it loses the shock value. This isn't the same as a casual relationship.
Anyway, I once had a red pickup truck follow me home from work. I saw the guy on the street just outside the office, and didn't pay any attention, but then I noticed him behind be on the entry ramp to the highway... didn't think too much of it, but later on the highway, he signalled and turned sharply to get into my lane again.. that is when I started noticing he was tailing me. So I casually sped up on the freeway to put some distance between us.. and sure enough he followed suit. This went on for a long time (I wasn't going to drive home with him tailing me) and finally I decided to drive quickly to lose him. I went through some twisties at a very quick pace, floored it up a hill, etc. until I could make a turn and he wasn't able to see me. It freaked me out to say the least.
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Congrats on getting out of a potentially serious situation!
I have run into these people before, they think that they own the road and that everyone sould respect thier lazy welfare asses. The best way to deal with them is to just ignore them and what ever you do, do not make eye contact or jestures or mouth anything to them, just try to get out of the situation with the least amout of harm to yourself and your loved ones. Most the time if I have someone chasing me I just drive to the nearest police station, that will usualy deter them. For some reason they think that they should have respect and not earn it and if you don't respect them they will become violent. Gangs are funny, a bunch of losers with low IQs and wisdom that only can think of violence when faced with a problem. As they said in the movie Men In Black: "A person can be smart, people are stupid." As far as the police go they won't do anything unless someone is killed, hurt or if there is an opertunity to make some money for the county; taking someone into custody and trying him/her cost a lot of money and if they don't have to they won't fix the situation. I have either directly or indirectly witnessed this on more than twenty occasions, however the sight of a cop is a good deterant even if the cop will not do anything. Yeah, I own a gun and if I have to choose between my wife's life, my kid's life, my own life or some punk's life the choice is simple. Just remember if you pull your gun be prepared to use it and don't hesitate because chances are that the other guy will not hesitate if he has already chased you around and is angry. Here are two good sayings for this situation: "don't point the gun unless you intend to use it." and "it's not the gun that kills, but the man behind the gun." If the situation calls for force then use force to perserve yourself. Violent video games don't cause violence in the majority of those who play them, but they do cause the majority to become desensitized to violence and if violence happens in real life, then those would be less likley to help or get involved; only a very small majority become violent.
Good job G-force! You dealt with the situation better than most, you came out unscathed and you didn't have to hurt anyone!
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enter a toll road and see if he's willing to pay to follow you or simply drive to the police station. this stuff is not violence so just take the usual steps to get licence number and call 911 if you think that it might eventually get violent.
don't panic.
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"Just remember if you pull your gun be prepared to use it and don't hesitate because chances are that the other guy will not hesitate if he has already chased you around and is angry. Here are two good sayings for this situation: "don't point the gun unless you intend to use it." and "it's not the gun that kills, but the man behind the gun.""
yah, dads gun saying is "don't shoot unless you are intending to kill the target"
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When turning left from an intersection, controlled by lights, signs or not, you are REQUIRED to turn into the nearest lane. That means the center or #1 lane. Coming over several lanes or even ONE extra lane is a violation. The Cadillac was in the wrong.
First, read the law in your community and UNDERSTAND it. Know what you can and can't do legally and the penalties for violating it.
Then, decide what the safety of you and your family is worth.
Once you've done this, you can then make a rational decision about what penalties you're willing to accept for the safety of your family.
If the guy in the Caddy was in California, he had a VERY good chance of guessing that his victim was unarmed. Did that lower his concern about something bad happening to him and give him assuarnce he could act without consequence? Maybe, maybe not.
The vast majority of people in CA are sheep and wouldn't know how to take care of themselves without asking the government first.
This story could have ended completely different if the guy had boxed him in and come at him with a legally owned baseball bat and beat him half to death.
Then would all of you out there that claim guns aren't for self-defense start lobbying to ban baseball bats? No, because you think the cops are here to protect you, when they have no fiduciary responsibility to protect any one citizen but the community as a whole. That's why they come in afterwords and put the guy in jail. AFTER it's too late for at LEAST one victim.
This thread is getting way too long and I'm sorry I'm contributing to it. Those of you that want someone else to take care of you will never agree with those of us who believe it's our responsibilty to take care of our families and ourselves.
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Impersonating a Police officer is illegal and almost alyways a felony.
Getting caught with an 'illegal' concealed handgun is typically a misdemeanor on the first offense or a 'wobbler', meaning the DA can charge it as a misdemeanor or a felony as he see's fit.
Author: tkr514
Date: Dec 5, 9:39pm
you need to carry a fake police badge, something to simply flash his way (it works better to defuse the situation than anything else). then drive normally.
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Road rage, by definition is a violent crime with a 3000+# weapon.
Author: tkr514
Date: Dec 5, 12:30pm
this stuff is not violence so just take the usual steps to get licence number and call 911 if you think that it might eventually get violent.
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WannaBREz wrote: "you know what freak those people out???
call their bluff, just stop in the middle of the road get out, leave your door open and start running towards them... usually freaks them out."
I could believe this, but it only takes once to make a mistake....thus
CONCEAL a little of what you're carrying! Most need to know the laws on this issue! If ever a gun is used, it BETTER be for deadly force. Brandishment as a means of threatening if you have not personally been confronted with your life in danger will surely get your permit revoked and if not will cost nearly $5K just for pointing once out of holster! Carry and Conceal doesn't mean it has to be concealed when carried; it means you can carry it too, as long as it isn't waved around and pointed with intent.
AND you can be SURE that even in the right of using it, that most municipals
will arrest the person with the gun, REGARDLESS. Its police policy to arrest the person with the gun and sort out later just so you know.
As a matter of fact, many people take the gun course to get this certificate
and then later weigh whether they really want permit to carry. Many
decide not to....why?...because of the messy legal ramifications later if it
ever had to be used....and in a "deadly force" situation you can BET the prosecutors are going to be after you under what right you had AND if
there were witnesses, or any previous incidents/contacts with the victim beforehand.
(Long, sorry...but I already took the course part of it..the permit is another step..not to mention the Carry/Conceal is also stamped onto your driver's license, so every road incident you have you'll be questioned about it....
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Twin Cities, Mn
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I might want to throw in...If you're in a state that has Carry/Conceal,
it's in your best interest to be an NRA member. In the event you must use
your gun, they'll provide lawyers free or next to nothing in your defense...(FYI).
(I guess under 3000lbs, it's a Road RaCe, Huh?)
'73 240z, sitting 16 years in garaged storage...Spring 2005 endeavor...
Twin Cities, Mn
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Call 911 and tell them you are being agressively chased... then slam on your brakes and let the guy rear end you.
Or drive until you find a police car or police station.
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Its cheaper and easier to carry roofing nails in your center armrest. When someone chases, just chuck a couple handfulls behind you. Roofing nails have very large heads on them so chances are there will be a few pointing the right direction when your assailant drives over them.
'77 280Z: E88, Triple SK's, cam, header, and a WAY too big exhaust.
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and give everyone else a flat too... G-Force, I'm impressed with your evasive maneuvers. I'm thinking of looking into a Taser. Shoot someone with a gun and you better have 10 grand in the bank to defend yourself.
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Actually, it averages closer to $25k in defense costs depending on the municipality and your geographic location.
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And you guys think So-Cal is great. This is why I live just outside of a small farming community, not much rage going on here, and generally the people like this guy with sick minds don't usually stray too far from big cities. I don't own a gun, my home's doors are unlocked 24/7, and about 1/2 the time I don't lock my vehicles at work, or shopping.
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lasers that melt tires would be cool
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" A gun is not something that you use to intimidate people with, a gun is something that you use to kill somebody else with."
EXACTLY! You pull it out, YOU SHOOT THEM!
If it gets to the point where someone causes me to draw, someone will be dead shortly. Period.
I see nothing wrong with that, self defense IS MY RIGHT!
If you say otherwise, think about what you are saying!
I don't think Ted Nugent is pulling his rifle or pistol and waving it around trying to intimidate people, but I know he does carry because of DEATH THREATS. You say he has no right to carry in the face of DEATH THREATS?
Maybe you and Barbra Feinstein are on the same page then: The PEOPLE can't carry handguns, BUT I AS A LEGISLATOR HAVE A RIGHT TO BECAUSE PEOPLE THREATEN ME.
Why are legislators above the masses? How did that come about? That is not how I interpret the constitution, and apparently neither did the founding fathers... They were sick of a "ruling class" that had rights and privileges the masses lacked...
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
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Well said Tony... as always....
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"If you go back and search the archives on here my son and I were involved in a similair road rage incident about a year ago. the guy actually tried running us off the road and then blocked both lanes of the freeway and made us stop with all the other cars, got out of his car and walked towards us. he was one crazy individual, but i took off and drove right next to him and kept on going instead of ending his life. i could have really done some damage to him or his car but i chose not to."
And someone about that time got into a big argument with me online here about how I was giving ridiculous scenarios because "nobody flashes their lights at you driving in the slow lane on the frreeway"
Yeah, they don't live in California.
Too many people spending too much time on the roads with no courtesy or humanity involved. Sick little puppies.
And as such, whacking one of them would disturb me not in the least---it will be THEIR actions that precipitate their own demise, not mine!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
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My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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"...And someone about that time got into a big argument with me online here about how I was giving ridiculous scenarios because 'nobody flashes their lights at you driving in the slow lane on the frreeway...'"
Yip, happens to me waaaaay to many times to count. Unbelievable!
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My view on the matter.
cops are out there to serve and protect, but i wouldn’t count on them to save you in a sticky situation... the protection of your own well being is left up to one person, and one person only, and that is your self... What ever the method maybe, it is up to you to make sure you see yourself through an ordeal in the best possible way. Whether its gun, taser, or you name it, you have to be your own protector.
In my particular situation, I could care less if the cops got involved, i would of much rather seen him hit a pole or something when he tryed to chase me.
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I love Newfoundland.
The closest thing to road rage around here is protesting crab fishermen in their boats :D
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Tony said:
>I see nothing wrong with that, self defense IS MY RIGHT!
Actually, depending on which state you are in, it's not. Some states have mandatory retreat laws unless the person is entering your home, and it becomes protection of your domicile. That is, if you shoot the person in a confrontation, you may be liable for their death if there was an alternative such as flight. These laws are controversial, but it is certainly not the case that in every state you can shoot someone who doesn't back down.
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some of you people need to get a grip on reality.
i used to carry a Colt Python in all 48 states when i was driving tractor trailor.
ive had people shoot at my truck for sport while driving through certain areas of Miami.i had people climb up on my truck at traffic lights in New Orleans.i had 3 guys try to jack me while i was using a payphone in Jacksonville.i had altercations in Philly and Detroit.
"oh but you will kill him."
thats the plan.
If all were equal, none would be strong.
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>ive had people shoot at my truck for sport while driving through certain
> areas of Miami.i had people climb up on my truck at traffic lights in New
> Orleans.i had 3 guys try to jack me while i was using a payphone in
> Jacksonville.i had altercations in Philly and Detroit.
Right, and you would be able to use a gun if you were in the vehicle because it would not be feasible for you to leave it (ie. no escape). Generic stand-your-ground laws are not universal.
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Not really related, but I remember a line from Larry the Cable Guy. It's not verbatim, but it's pretty close, and funny too.
"If people can blame guns for killing people, then I can blame my pencil for misspelled words."