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Someone asked how fast that Z32 Turbo went up at El Mirage earlier this month at the two-day meet, well it went 161.810mph in the F/BGT Class against a 155.000 open record, meaning that my Engine Swapped 240 project now has to go faster than 161.810 to get a record... Being that the 280 2+2 has a best speed of 163 and change at that track, I guess we are doing O.K....
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arent z32tt's capable of faster than that when heavy modded??
or is that stock? (as i type this... i realize that with the class comes restrictions to what can be done with the engine...).
oh well.... Tony, learn meh somethin new... will ya? :D
77Z- (mfg. 7/77)
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that color scheme on that Z makes me sad :( lol its like putting a lot....ALOT of makeup on a pretty girl makes her look somewhat cheap
all hail the mighty "Z"
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Engine Swap Permitted, modifications to engine pretty much unlimited as long as it remains "stock configuration" meaning if it came with one turbo, it has one turbo, twins from the factory, then it has to have twins.
For this car, an RB26DETT swap would be legal...
This is to prove a point about people who go land speed racing with cars that "should" be much faster: It's not as simple as many people think.
I will almost BET MONEY I can make their car 10 to 20mph faster on a hunch I have about firstimers coming to the lake...
But then again, the N/A L28 is almost 4mph faster...muahahaha!
The thing is they are limited in what they can to to the BODY. It must be very close to stock on the body, many of the go-fast and appearance mods move it to a class that is much faster (personally I'd see if I could ditch that turbo rear spoiler!). They went after a very soft record (frankly, one I was going to go after...) and snagged it easily their first time out.
But I'm sure they all thought they would "go faster" too! Things fast on the street aren't necessarily just as fast when people are watching everything you do to tweak numbers in your favor!...
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Post Edited (Nov 29, 2:24am)
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"arent z32tt's capable of faster than that when heavy modded??"
yeah, aren't STOCK z32tts capable of at least 150mph?
God must love stupid people, he made SOOOOO many of them!
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Stock TT's are capable of 172.XX mph with no headwind and no rev limiter obviously. Stage III cars can hit just under 180 with enough road. My stage VI ttz hit 165 fairly quickly at 1 bar [going off rpms with stock wheels/tires].
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Fastest a z32 went was at bonnevile, 260mph. ~900hp I believe, the blitz car..
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Still got that edition of Turbo, Scott? I do :-)
I agree, speed sounds very low.
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"Given enough road"
You got 1.3 miles to get up to speed. On a dry lakebed.
When youstart adding a mileage limit to it like that, suddenly the "fast" street cars aren't really all that fast.
Usually if you have the power and the gear, you will go 20mph faster at Bonneville than you will at ElMirage. So this car probably has a realistic Bonneville Top Speed around 180mph.
I find it funny how a "stock TT" is listed here as being capable of 172, yeat "stage 3" is only about 8 mph faster... "given enough road"....
Kindamakes you wonder what the worth of those "Stage Mods" really are if they only get you >8mph!
Try to see what a flying mile gets you. Maxton NC has a grooved concrete speed course of one mile, and the speeds there are even lower than ElMirage. You still got guys cracking 200mph there, and that's cranking some serious HP!
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something probably wasn't right with that z, they are capable of much more than that modified....
'93 Red TT 5 speed; Bone stock for now, but still kicks ass!
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The Top Speed in that article, if I recall correctly was using a NON LEGAL PRODUCTION body configuration and is not applicable to a CLASSED Record Vehicle. Basically pay your 300$ and make your runs to get a "time only certification". Take off the duct tape and vortexgenerators and turn it back into a production trim vehicle, and the speed drops off.
Benneville is a 5 mile course, guys, El Mirage is 1.3 miles. if "the speed sounds low" it's because you guys are so used to hearing overinflated boasts on the internet that you have a problem fathoming what the car can REALLY do when given stock aerodynamics.
The F/BGT Class Record at Bonneville is currently 222.230 set by K. Tanaka and Shout Sales / Central Sales set in 1990.
The Jun/AutoBlitz Entry is in E/BGMS with a record of 260.809 set in 1991. "E" classifying the engine is BIGGER than 3.0 Liters, meaning overbored or stroker, BGMS is "Blown Gas Modified Sports" meaning non-production spoilers on the body, or other non-production items and aerodynamic aids on a Sports Coupe (F/BMS is where a 240Z would compete with an MSA Front Spoiler for comparison).
So in short, the Jun/Auto Blitz entry is NOT a 3 Liter, and NOT a stock configured body---two BIG contributing factors towards a top speed almost 40 mph faster than a TRUE production bodied Z32.
These guys at 160 should run at least 180 at Bonneville, qualifying them for the long track, so then all they need to do is top 222.230 and they got a record there, too...
"All they need to do is go 42.231mph Faster than their projected theoretical top speed in current configuration..."
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uh huh...
Why am I not suprised by this kind of commentary here...
Check the sponsorship on that vehicle, AEM is involved---it's a big dollar effort. There is nothing wrong with the car, it's people's unrealistic B.S. claims based on nothing more than boasting that screws with people's heads.
I lay it out for ya: Just like all the stock 140mph 240's, bring it up to the track and pays yer money and run it to see what it will do.
If it's sooo terribly setup, I'm sure yours will take another record easily.
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Tony, so whats your point?? your bucket of bolts still isn't anything special, even modded.....you just don't want to face the fact that your inferior z needs serious modding to even hold a candle to our z32's....it seems if anything, your trying to take shots at the z32 for some reason, just because maybe you have a small penis or something and envy how the vg motor can do much more than those ancient straight 6cyl. you guys have for engines....sorry to put it to, but your old z is not the center of the universe pal, look at those pics sj and z1 put up....obviously these non sponsored guys know something that hot shot aem doesn't know....*rolls eyes*
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Post Edited (Nov 29, 5:23pm)
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Hey dude, this is about a Z32 going 160mph.
And the typical blather that ultimately follows a top speed post: "Oh my stock car goes that fast"
But nobody ever shows up to show us how fast that stock car really goes.
I don't know what your inference is--the post really was about someone asking me when I posted a photo earlier in the month how fast the car went.
I posted the results when I found them out and had access to another photo. Then all the blather started, and all I've been saying is that guys boast and B.S. all day long, but the real world facts contradict the Boasts, JUST AS THEY DO WITH THE EARLY CARS. All it means is there are boasting impotent people driving Z32's same as driving those stock 140+mph stock 240s...
Apparently you guys in Z32's have something to figure out same as guys with stock 140mph 240s... What people SAY just ain't what the cars will do when put on the course and actually DRIVEN!
Now to your comments about the Land Speed 280Z 2+2. Uh, dude, Inferior? Uh....the car costs HALF what a Z32 TT costs, GOES FASTER ON THE SAME COURSE, and is 30+ years old. Oh, and did I mention it's NOT A TURBO?
Wow, yeah, TTZ them's Z32TT's are really smokin' to go 3mph SLOWER and cost TWICE as much... Yeah, that's a DEAL you got there, man! Wow, where do I sign up for that deal too? (Rolls Eyes)
Don't EVEN get me started on the S130 project.... I'll lay money we will give this blue & yellow car a run for it's money---hell I may even build up a coupe to spank it in F/BGT... It's already got enough power for the F/PS class at 204+...
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TTZ you are super blind. Tony isnt taking shots at the Z32. Hes saying that Z32 ran a 1.3 mile course. That speed is NOT bad for 1.3. YOU keep saying that the MPH should have been higher, totally ignoring the 1.3 mile course statement. Of course give a Z32 more miles to run at Bonneville and it may reach the speeds you are talking about. Dont even start on the z32 superiority BS. I have IN MY DRIVEWAY a 90 2+2, 90 2 seater AND a tt front clip for swap, 93 2+2, and a '79 280zx....and have owned several first gens. I drive the 79 all the time, and when my club goes on mountain drives because the z32's feel like huge POS's. You think because a car is newer, its better?
Bah whats the use? I bet i lost him in the first sentence.
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It's the difference between people who actually DO (have done) that speed, and those that TALK about it on the internet...
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bah, the 280z may have costed less, but thats about all you can boast about! I'm not sure what the specs are for the 280z are, but *yawn* cant compete stock vs stock, and modding is soo much more beneficial for the z32, which yields more horsepower, and is easier to get than a chick named yolanda at the red light district. So sure, our cars cost more. So what? it still outperforms those rusted out shells for datsuns. My z can go all the way to the limiter that nissan has on it, which I believe is 157mph, and there was plenty of rpms left to go even faster if I get a new ecu and this is stock, buddy...don't get me wrong, I like them very much so, and after I buy a z31 turbo, I'll get me a 280z. but I'm afraid you 280z guys think too highly of that simple car, which honestly, for performance, I wouldn't waste money into it.
P.S okay, I didnt read one part of tonyd's post....about the 1.3 mile limit....my bad....still, his post is pretty much trying to put down the z32's, regardless of who's asking for what the times were for that car. I mean yeah, you can boast and brag yourself, if you have money, anything is fast, even those slow, old 280z's can be made to go fast....but cant compete with z32's....without mucho dinero...
'93 Red TT 5 speed; Bone stock for now, but still kicks ass!
Post Edited (Nov 29, 6:31pm)
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lol.. TTZpower, this contest has more rules that make it a little different than an expressway but I see your points.
Tony D, I didn't realize how short of a course it was. At 1.3 miles, a stock TT would probably be at 140 or so at most [yes I know it does the quarter over 105 guys], and that's with a launch on concrete.
After being inspected, I'd say it's closer to 185mph at stage III properly tuned [400hp,430tq]. At speeds of already over 170mph it takes a lot of power to get it going much faster, of which ofcourse you are already more than aware of. I think at 660hp it can eclipse 200mph [not sure how safe that is] as mentioned by a man who it 196mph during a high speed contest at a runway. This is with a stock body. That makes it about exponentially proportional given the roughly 100hp to get it from 172 to the mid 180's [400hp], then 260+ on top of that [660hp] to get it near 200mph. At that point the stock body and wing probably restrict you [or make your car so unstable] to the point that added power isn't what you need to concentrate on.
Thanks for the additional info Tony D.
p.s., I have gone over 160 in my past z32TT 100+ times some legal some illegal, for better or worse.
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Post Edited (Nov 29, 5:52pm)
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Ha thats funny. Whatever you say man.
mucho dinero to pep up an old z, haha. Tell that to Norm.
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Bonneville is wide open, but you first have to go over 175mph on the "short course" of 3 miles.
Once you break 175 (which we were sooo close to at 173.XXX two years ago, running with .080" scores down all six cylinder walls and blowing by like abig dog from tweaked piston pins...) they will let you onto the "Long Course" of five miles.
The salt is had and traction is pretty good. It's not concrete, but close when the conditions are good.
That's why cars have different safety requirements for El Mirage. To impress the point, the lakebed record is 312mph at El Mirage. This is in a piston powered streamliner. I was there when they made that record--when you realize you start from a standing start, and a mile later you are going 312mph... Wow.
But talkers are always going to be talkers. Unfortunately they never show up and prove the blather they spout, and criticize people who are actually OUT THERE doing it!
I gave the guys credit---TTZ just has a thin skin and (judging by his writings) apparently a small penis to boot! if you don't come out with glowing praise and ignore basic facts he's gonna have a problem.
Till they go faster than the 280, they are slower. That's the FACT. Maybe they will do it next year. TTZ is talking out his anal pore because if I was running a setup car (and remember my statement earlier, I lay money I could get 10 to 20mph more out of that car AT EL MIRAGE based on common firstimer mistakes) I would show up for the last meet of the year, break the existing record by a MINIMUM AMMOUNT (they did 161 against a 155---a littlebit much IMO, but still fine) then show up next year and gradually and consistently bump the record at EVERY MEET by a mph or two. Do this for EVERY meet, and chances are HIGH that you will end up points champion.
So instead of being an idiot and going out balls to the wall, and blowing a perfect opportunity to get ANOTHER Z-Car on the record books' cover within 5 years (wanna guess who has the OTHER Z-Car on the cover in 2002?) they will follow that strategy and simply bump the record consistently and take points champion next year.
But I didn't say all that, I just mentioned what was facts at the moment. Because I got a pretty good idea what the guys will do next year. What they will do NEXT NEVEMBER will be more indicative of what the SORTED car is capable of, and by then we shall see how they do at Bonneville.
But this only comes from doing it, being there, and tasting the salt and dirt for a few years, not talking about it on the internet...
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I've driven on Bonneville at over 120mph before the lake bed had hardened (May, 2004) and I can vouch for 160mph in 1.3 miles is impressive.
I can also vouch for anyone driving on Bonneville, plan to change out bolts under your Z shortly thereafter. It's a VERY corrosive environment...SS exhaust actually started corroding within two hours.
I've done 165mph in my Z just two months ago.
My '83 280zx top'd at 137mph.
I've lost the point of the thread...
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I had no idea who or what Tony D. was a couple of years ago when I started reading this site.
I have no idea what most of the tetchnical talk really means and I will never go over or likely even near 100mph in anything I drive. I just like to drive the Z cars and I bought them for the looks before I knew how they drove.
I wish I had the driving skill and experience to do the cars justice as they are stock and for their age and design.
I like Tony's statement about "real world" actualities and cars.
As someone else said a couple of years ago when the young pups were nipping at Tony D. "before you put him down or dismiss what he says - look at the records (plural many times) he holds."
We all have opinions, and some are based on factual information and experience.
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Tony...it was i that wanted to know how fast the Z32 went. thanks for the update.
and Z32 guys,you all know that top end speed is my main interest.ive been faster than 161 in my Z,but i have never tried to see what i could do from a dead stop.
1.3 miles is a really short distance for a top end run.i remember reading about an aussie event where the cars had only 5 km to set the top speed.Top Secret brought their Supra out there...the Supra would hit 200 in 5th,and the record was like 215 MPH.the Supra's turbo was so laggy that the Supra only hit 211 MPH in that distance.
Tony wasnt dissing the Z32.he was just stating what this particular Z did on that 1.3 mile stretch. we would have to guess that this Z32 was specially prepped for such an event. so that tells me that if a specially prepped Z32 hit 161 mph,a stock Z...or even a StageIII wouldnt be able to.
look at the tires on that car. a big HP Z32 that was laggy would struggle for traction on the flats.so that car cant have too big of a turbo...and it would have to have the bare minimal lag.
If all were equal, none would be strong.
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I live very close to Maxton. Might have to run check that out.
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looks to me like tony was defending the z32 when the z32 owners started bashing a 160mph run. but what do i know, i only read in plain english.
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Great post Tony! I have taken my Z32tt convertible over the 160 mark a couple times for short spurts... the body is stock but lowered a bit... the car gets a little light at 150+ and I don't think I'd want to go any faster than that without a spoiler and better aero works upfront. I know the top speed over a long track would be considerably faster but I chickened out!
I recently got and have rebuilt a pretty much stock 280Z and am really loving it! I've only had it up to around 90mph but again that seemed fast enough given that if was starting to get light! Holy **** man you go THAT fast in the 280? Whooo Hooo!! You got way bigger stones than me dude!
Bill Tozer
94 300ZX TT Convertible
77 280Z Project
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That's it EXACTLY Ninja!
I am continually having to bite my tongue out of politeness every time I hear some half drunk idiot stumble by my car and start reminiscing about the old days when "he took it to 160 and had plenty of throttle left!"
Give me a freakin break, empty and idiotic boasts like that diminish the accomplishments of people like those in the Blue and Yellow Z who actually put forth the effort and actually DO go that fast in a controlled, CERTIFIED environment!
And as I have seen, the same kind of crap goes on in the Z32 community. Plenty of people claiming this speed or that, in stock cars, yet curiously the record stood for over 15 years before these guys came along and BROKE IT!
Mark My Words, I will be very suprised if these guys do not end up on the cover of the rule book after next year's meets. I think they have a plan, and it looks very much like the one we used to get on the cover in 2002!
(Oh, and a bit of trivia, the old Zisisit Super-Z a turbocharged 280 Z was in the record books in Bonneville in F/BGT Class at over 175mph many years ago---THAT car is what set the open minimum of 155 for El Mirage: 20 mph less than their speed at Bonneville.)
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Post Edited (Nov 29, 10:20pm)
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Maxton Laurinburgh Airport is where they run, it will cost $5 to spectate. Different environment than the dry lakes, but you will see cars that honestly go 200+mph idle on by on the way to the starting line. Really neat. When I try to schedule training in Davidson, I try to make it coincide with the meets there in Maxton so I have something to do when I fly in early on the weekends... Anybody in the area should really try to make it out there, ESPECIALLY if you have a Z!!! They have MANY open, "soft" records, and a very permissive "Street Class" Car where (like I told Norm) you can get on the track and make a balls-out run ONCE because you are supposed to stay below 125. But if you have a big dog engine in there, all they can do is tell you you can run again until you get the proper safety gear for the speed capability of the vehicle displayed in the previous run!
Muahahahaha!
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Nice FACT & detail Tony, thanks.
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man... i wished i lived out there tony. itd be cool to see how off my speedometer is. that and actually have the LEGAL chance to go that fast... muahahahahahahahahahaha!
77Z- (mfg. 7/77)
"Arm-chair Autox'er"
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Not a chance I could keep my Z under 125 in an environment like that.... Oh what fun that must be! Sure beats using the highway and radar detectors.
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1.3 miles? I'de still be trying to grind 2nd....
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"Tony's old bucket of bolts!" Thats probably one of the funniest things I've seen on here. Your a clown TTZ. Tony's bucket of bolts is 30 years old, and will outrun your new superior TTZ, so what does that make your car - a bucket of slower bolts?
I've said it soo many times check SCCA stats Z32's don't do very well autoXing and have large amounts of body roll as well as sloppy weight transfer front to rear, they usually run times very close to mustangs sometimes slower. The only thing the Z32 does well is sit comfortably and go fast in a straight line on the top end. If you think a Z is a waste of money then you have proven yourself a fool. Have you not noticed the prices of 1st gen Z's going up rather quickly. And for far less money you can have a faster, better handling car that is recognized as a classic. What's your TTZ doing every year, oh its dropping value like crazy, and will continue to do so, and your car is a bitch to work on!
I have friends with TTZ's, well 2 of them have graduated up to Z06's because the maintenance cost of the TTZ and the average handling and performance. These guys have never been able to keep up with my "slow 280" on these mountain roads. And all cars involved were modified to some extent.
Anyway this is pointless.
Thanks for the info Tony
Matt
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I love this guy! Bashing tonys record holder, "bucket of bolts" While he is rolling a self proclaimed bone stock z32. TTzpower: Your one ignorant bieng. Nice grammer by the way.
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ha, was about time the 280z owners chimed in about now....matt, your the fool for having biased opinions about the z32, you probably have never driven one buddy. Just envy is the only reason you attack the z32's, because "bone stock" can kick the trash out of your mildy or moderately modified, pitifully slow rust bucket 280z's.... oh and the lousy, unproven stats you claim about scca z32 drivers sucking.....well its the drivers buddy, don't blame the perfect handling z32. Here, I'll show you how retarded you sound: I've been to those events, and have seen a couple z32's beat out a subaru wrx, and an s2000 in times...so my point is, its the driver you cockmaster, that makes the difference... I've driven those prehistoric sports cars you guys cherise so much, and let me tell you, a honda can do better in accelerating, and handling....thats how shitty I thought the older z's were. 2802nr--my car is bone stock until I finish college, why dump money into it if I barely have any?? When I'm done with school, I'll not only make this already capable car of going even faster and handle better than it already does, but unlike you guys that hold on to rusted dreams with unwavering bias, I will buy better sports cars, because truth be told......*psst* *whisper* ....there are other sports cars out there that are better than z's.....
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The thing is you get ONE RUN...so if you go like 147 at least you KNOW... they will gripe at you, and simply not let you run until you meet safety standards for 147 (uh, "firesuit"...)
Good way to do it. Kinda like the guys at the NHRA STrips yelling at you when you make your first Sub 12 second pass without a helmet.
"Hey man, I didn't know it was THAT fast, it's the first time at the track!"
LOL (Actual Story!)
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yeeeah, O.K.
(Rolls Eyes)
(Shakes Head)
Facts in print sway him not. Kelly, that's "ASS" Clown...get it right.
I wonder how he types with such a chip on his shoulder...
Hey, TTZ, when you break 170, give me a call and then I might be willing to line it up with ya. Until then, STFU! You really don't get it.
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TTZPower is the kind of guy that gives all Z car owners a bad image... I hope he does sell his Z and buys a better car real soon!
I have a highly modified Z32tt that puts out around 475hp to the wheels... it is a nice ride to be sure. I also have a stock engine in my totally restored 280Z with sway bars and strut braces. Yeah after spending around $30K in upgrades the tt is way more powerful and handles better than the 280 but guess which one I like driving more? LOL the old school ride is a BLAST!!!
Bill Tozer
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77 280Z Project
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with how much boost Tozz?
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Good God, I'm speechless! Such empty-headed rantings are rare even here at ZCar.com!
TTZpower, I LOVE the Z32. But it is one heavy car. I've NEVER had one come even CLOSE to me at a road course.
Z32 "perfect handling"?! WTH does that mean? It is a fine-handling car to be sure, but at 3500+ lb. it will have serious problems trying to keep up with a 240Z on decent tires in the corners. Or a Miata. Or a 240SX for that matter.
You're absolutely right that there are sports cars out there better than Z's. But I haven't bought a newer sports car because honestly there isn't one out there that can touch my mildly-modded NA 240Z for less than ~$50k.
You would be SURPRISED at what's fast at track days and what's not. But then you've never driven in one, have ya?
Post Edited (Nov 30, 2:16pm)