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Click here for Jeremy Clarkson's review of the Bugatti Veyron.
The things he mentions in his article are mind boggling.
Volkswagen has created an engineering masterpiece with this car.
I can't believe it meets the new European emissions while still producing 1000hp from a W16 quad-turbo. I couldn't even imagine a single Audi V8 with aftermarket twin turbos getting close to passing emissions over there!
It's another huge step for automotive engineering . . . until the Italian project for the 1200hp car is completed.
I think the Oil Age will go out with a huge bang!
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but does it have VTEC? ;-)
stan
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And without emissions, a hick in indiana can have 1200hp. When I heard about that car 6 or 7 years ago, I knew it was going to change the world if it ever made it alive to it.
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I love the old classic cars. I love the syle when done right. I like a retro look, when done right.
This isn't right.
I appreciate the signature Bugati grille - but - it just does not translate well with the modern "Euro-egg" style.
But then, I'm not in the market for one. Yeah, like I could even afford the down payment on the steering wheel.
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Overwrought and overweight, typical German overengineering. I bet a McLaren F1 would hand this pig its arse at just about any track except a huge top-speed oriented test circuit. They stupidly set an absolute hp goal rather than a hp/weight goal for this monstrosity. Pretty much the antithesis of the minimalist Bugatti racers of old.
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The Mclaren F1 is known to be a car that handles very poorly....Jeremy Clarkson HATES it
Seems that he loves the Buggati though, which probably means it handles well, jeremy never gives a good review if something handles poorly.
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LOL look at that exhaust "hole".
That car looks like a 350z with a smaller cockpit or wider fenders.
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"From behind the wheel of a Veyron, France is the size of a small coconut."
I love Clarkson! This guy is hilarious. And for all you boo hoo guys out there thumbing your nose at him for his review, he knows what hes talking about too. Yes its hideous, no its not really a drivers car but you have got to respect the engineering. They spent years building this car and it turned out pretty good in my opinion.
"It makes even the Enzo and the Porsche Carrera GT feel slow and pointless."
And this is coming from one of the few people who have had the opportunity to drive both in anger. I'm not gonna argue with him...
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I dunno. For what league this car is in, I think it's gorgeous. Especially that black and burgundy. University of South Carolina colors.
If I won the lottery this week, I would have one ordered by Friday. No doubt in my mind. That car is psychotically hot.
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Just subscribed to BBC World news... Top Gear is now on! ahhhhh :)
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I actually caught myself reading the article with Clarkson's english accent. Pretty funny when your subconscious can fill in the missing elements.
I'm amazed he could even fit in the Enzo or the Carrera GT. At lesat the Bugatti has what looks like a reasonably sized cockpit.
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I'd be scared to dyno the thing.
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id order one if I had the money. then I would cruise the local ricer roads and try to get them to race me :p
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There was a Veyron motor on eBay the other day.
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>And for all you boo hoo guys out there thumbing your nose at him for his
> review, he knows what hes talking about too
He says the same damn thing about every car he reviews. His review of EVERY car:
1) Ever since I heard about it last year, I wasn't expecting much...
2) but this thing is amazing.. just MIND blowing... I mean it's like it's on steriods!
3) It's everything that... a Volvo/Ford/Vauxhall is..... NOT.
4) It reminds me of an empty bread box.
5) Overall, it's just good. It will appeal to some of you.
The guy is a journalist, not a professional driver. His job is to make good TV, so he gets you excited (see (2)), then he lets you down with concern (see (4)) then his recommendation isn't too good or too harsh (see (5)). It's a formula! I'll say it once more: it's a FORMULA!
It's designed to be that way, it's a journalistic show. They aren't there to recommend cars or really review them, they are there to SHOWCASE them and get you drooling. Otherwise the manufacturers wouldn't want their car on the show.
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Just for fun, I played find the dots with my own bookmarks:
1) "It all started when Ferdinand Piëch, the swivel-eyed former boss of Volkswagen, bought Bugatti and had someone design a concept car. “This,” he said, “is what the next Bugatti will look like.”" <-- history introduction
2) "Utterly, stunningly, jaw droppingly brilliant." <-- raving over greatness, drool comments
3) "So technically it is a car. And yet it just isn’t." <-- the "signature" negative
4) "Not quiet, though. The engine sounds like Victorian plumbing — it looks like Victorian plumbing as well, to be honest — and the roar from the tyres was biblical." <-- comparison to something archaic
5) "Other cars are small guesthouses on the front at Brighton and the Bugatti is the Burj Al Arab. It makes even the Enzo and the Porsche Carrera GT feel slow and pointless. It is a triumph for lunacy over common sense" <--- OK, so this is one car where he finally deviated and he actually LIKES the car. :) Formula slightly broken! He rarely does this.
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Now I would agree with you if you were talking about Motor Trend, but in my experience the British press is all too honest. For example:
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12529-1794313_1,00.html
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12529-1772795,00.html
Its actually only American cars that suck... apparently?
All kidding aside, he's driven just about every vehicle known to man, does indeed know how to drive a car and I'd wager has more insight and experience into the quality of many different cars than anybody on this board. I will almost surely never get to own a Bugatti, but I can at least dream about it being really cool at night.
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that car is gay
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I saw this car on vh1...one of the fab 40 or something...its coming on again this tuesday "http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/fabulous_life_of/96437/episode_about.jhtml"
I thought it was pretty cool...another that topped that list was some sort of scyscrapers they are building (looked very cool)
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im with datto
dosent that thing have 2 clutches? one for the even gears and one for the odd?
-------- well i read the artical and confirmend 2 clutches but how dose it work is it like the big 18 wheelers where there just in line and both operate or are they on some odd even set up?
whats the story on the 1000hp N/A caddi?
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10 raidiators WTF
70 yay!
77 parts
81 compressed parts
86 compressed it handles
00 mercury cougar omg wtf : \ girl has to have something to drive
- owned
74.5 why did i sell you
81 1st car $425 found out s130s dont handle stock
82 good
84 BMW 325e omg never again
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Yeah, they do hate american cars. I meant just Jeremy Clarkson. The rest of the press might actually produce something unique. :)
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Clarkson hates American cars!?
He loves the C6 Corvette and the Dodge Viper. He also adores the Cadillac CTS-V.
He just dislikes crummy cars in general. He was the biggest critic of Rover cars in his country. That is why many people blame him for Rover's bankrupcy. (He actually retaliated with an article outlining the exact reasons for Rover's demise.)
To all the Veyron critics, I'd like to point out that not too many race cars in race trim will barely break 200mph. (Especially now with two chicanes on the Mulsanne Straight.) For what it is, the Veyron is a bargain at $1.2 million.
The answer to how well the car handles should be answered on this seaon of Top Gear. We'll see if the Veyron can beat the Maserati MC12 as the fastest around their test track.
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Because the new z06 or whatever corvette is one of the best sports cars ever made....who cant love that.
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so umm...you think napa carries a water pump for that sucker?
yeah for $900.95
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$1,418,103.75 and you can go, what, 231mph. And if you stick the key in and deploy the spoinler in a stowed state so you can go slightly unstable, but get another 22mph to 253mph?
Hmmm....
lets see....
$22,256.00 / 174mph= $127.90 per MPH
$1,418,103.75 / 253mph= $5,605.15 per MPH ($6,138.98 per MPH using it's stability features)
Looks like a reworked 1976 280Z 2+2 is a better deal, and I'm stable at 174mph and happy doing it. Hell, add another 10K for the turbocharged engine and I'll crack 200, and be within stone's throw of his stable top speed, too!
No thanks, I'll keep the Z. French Cars, like all things French, are overblown and overrated...
Oh, and NAPA carrise the water pump for mine...
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Clarkson hates american cars? Well thats true (as do I in most cases) but he has his reasons.
He drove the Ford GT and absolutely LOVED it..
He then proceeded to buy a Ford GT
Ford GT then had to go to the dealership something like SEVEN times for stuff to get fixed.
Clarkson returns the GT to Ford and refuses to get another one.
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Wasn't there a guy on Ebay who sold his white Supra for a lot less a couple of months ago? Didn't follow on the winning bid price, but it was less than $200K. His Supra produced around ~1100 hp.
Not sure though...but remembered watching his attached video which showed him dyno-ing it.
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Well if you want a car for bragging this is it....money is not an issue in this realm i guess lol...
And i gurantee this car handles better at 170 than our's.
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1100 hp supras are a dime a dozen.
Well not really, but close.
I have a buddy who put down 800whp on a stock internal motor, now has cams and is putting in a bigger turbo and injectors to hit the 1k mark.
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Those 1000hp supras also use a turbo the size of a basketball to make that power. When you factor in that by the time the supra is getting on boost from a rolling run the Bugatti has probably already opened a quarter mile on it and still running away. Supras are dyno queens by the time they get to that level.
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Shows how much you know about supras.
Yes the buggatti will definatly out accelerate a supra and spank it in the top end. (hello huge engine and 4wd).
But most supras are not dyno queens.
My buddies supra did 10.8 @ 129mph on street tires on his original single turbo setup at only 689 horses to the wheels.
Sure is a dyno queen....
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Hey, Tyson... read what I posted! 1000hp is not the same as 689hp. Your buddy is a smart guy, and it sounds like he built a good setup. I didn't say every supra is a dyno queen, I said when you build them to the same hp level of the Bugatti they are. I love supras, I think they are very cool, I just think it is silly to build something to a level that requires drag slicks to even initiate on boost acceleration, unlike your buddies tastefully upgraded Supra.
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"I just think it is silly to build something to a level that requires drag slicks to even initiate on boost acceleration"
Some people also think its just silly to sit on the internet all night.
To each his own.
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I would argue that fact! 170 is a two finger deal with one hand in my S30...
In EITHER case, besides GOING DEAD STRAIGHT I doubt there is ANY deviation from that which would remotely resemble "handling" at that speed.
That goes for just about anything at that speed without wings.
There is no "handling" at that speed, nobody is cornering much tighter than a 200 foot radius turn...if that.
Nah, I'd say at 170, mine handles just as good as that one.
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For this price this car should come with "ON-DEMAND WHORE" feature.She sucks you while you enjoy the countryside
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Zedd, I tried getting that idea for flightline drivers to alleviate those terrible driving induced ragers, but it was deemed "unprofessional"...
So you gotta buy yer own whores, even if you own the bugatti... Companies shy away from sexual favor provisions in most contracts these days...
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By "handling" at that speed i guess handling has more to do with if your car is going to stay on the road, and if you make ANY wheel movements you dont spin out, or flip or lose control.
I imagine this piece of a car can make good (relatively for this speed) handling.
Unless you are a huge car guru and have devoted a HELLA of a lot time to your car, and gone on long straights and actually performed this feat of which we are speaking.
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Bryan, my car sits in the back yard right now, resting on it's laurels with 17 Worl Land Speed Records to its credit.
I think I know how much it cost to make it go that fast...
Take a look at the 2002 Rule Book Cover for the SCTA (The Bonneville Speed Trials Sanctioning Body) That's the car sitting in my back yard on the cover---that's the year it was overall points champion...
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Tony, even if your Z can crack 200mph it is still 50mph off the pace of the Veyron. 200mph supercars are now dime a dozen. Even the cheapest Ferrari you can buy will go 197mph now. Even the new M5 will go beyond 200mph without breaking a sweat! And that is a four door saloon car! I think you pay the extra million or so for that extra 50mph. (You should be the best to know how difficult it is to achieve that final 50mph.)
I think people will buy the Veyron because it is the "fastest car in the world." Also for the sheer acceleration a W16 quad turbo engine can provide. It's the first production car to crack the 400kph mark too. (It's ironic that this car came out after the fact the BAR-Honda F1 car broke that mark too.)
VW is not going to make any profit off the car either. They spent something like $700M but only expect to crack even. That's why I think this car is a bargain. (The McLaren F1 was a bargain for what you got as well.)
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The Asshat TTZPower has shown me there are "other sportscars in the world other than the 240Z" so I think I will up my lot in life and buy a pig of a Z32 so I can go slower than I already do...
LOL
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Cool man.
Well, I still think that this car could "handle" better than any other really fast car.
I guess no one will know until we get one or some journalist writes about how great it handled at +200mph.
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I just saw your tagline. I didn't realize you were a Z31 / Z32 Owner.
You are forgiven your transgression! LOL
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