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do you guys honestly think it takes 10's of thousands of dollars to make them fast? if so yall are dumb.. i was reading a topic, and it seems that that is the general opinion.. it does not take alot of hp, to make a very light car run.. you can make a low 12 second honda for under 3500, includeing the cost of the car, if you know where to find parts, all it takes is the right engine for the aplicaton and boost..
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you can make $3500 v8 ZX do it too. what's your point?
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If you check out the September '05 issue of Sport Compact Car you will find what you need to build a 321hp, 12.9 sec car for around $3500. And it's a Dodge Omni.
3 Zs, 1 "Rusty", 4 more to go
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OK ill break it down for you if you take a 2000 Z28 and a 2000 Honda and you put $2000 in both of them witch one do you think will be faster???
The bottom line is you can make an American car go faster with less money then you can with a forigen car. The parts are cheaper.
1990 RS Camao (Ya i know im getting a Z but i still love my Camaro!)
2002 Z28 LS1 T56 yes its fast no you cant drive it!
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It's about driveability. You can buy a Z-28 and put 2 g's into it and get a really fast car, but one that is not economical at all, versus the Honda, which will pull 12's and get you to work three times as much on the same amount of gas. Personally, I would prefer to fill my tank up for $20 instead of $45 and be able to smoke stock Z-28's all day.
'73 Turbo, not much stock. Sold now... :-(
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Just curious but why does everyone here think that a drag race is the only measure of a car? There are many other ways to discern what is good about a car: Handling, top end, breaking and durability.
As far as I am concerned drag racing is racing for the people who do not know how to race, sheesh, the only part about drag racing that requires skill is the launch and shifting. Take that away and all you would need is to tie the steering wheel and put a brick on the throttle! Why don't you all start looking at stuff like track times on road courses or handling at above 130? Exceleration is but one aspect of a car and a limited one at that! If you like to drag race get a rail with a blown hemi on it, those run sub 6 seconds! I bet you can beat all of those evil cameros and mustangs at the drag strip.
Put all of your money into the engine and you will not only have a fast car but a death trap that can no longer break or handle at new higher horse power that the car was not engineered for. I bet that with those mods on the honda that the fuel mileage is decreased more than a little bit.
Post Edited (Nov 22, 9:46pm)
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To answer that, I believe that this forum is comprised mainly of guys who ride on the street (daily drive) and occasionaly visit the strip. Rarely ever a road course, etc. So although they may take a few fun twisties on their daily routines, the only real racing they do is dropping a gear on the highway or doing a run at the local 1/4.
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As far as the best mod you could make to a vehicle is the driver! Upgrade the driver and I bet the car, be it a chevy or ford or a honda or toyota, would improve better than any expensive part you could put on the car.
Upgrade of the driver is by far the best mod for a car! Will improve the quarter mile times massively!
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I agree that road racing is more comprehensive as far as the skills go, but drag racing does require skill and preparation. Personally, I'd rather take a car out on a road course any day, problem is, its expensive and takes alot of learning. Drag racing is less expensive and less risky to the driver and car. Your right, the driver is the best upgrade you can make, but this is a car forum, not a driver forum so we like to bench race and argue about scenarios, even if were not qualified to carry them out!
'73 Turbo, not much stock. Sold now... :-(
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The reason those Hondas are light is because they are economy cars. They're front wheel drive for the same reason.
Sure you can turn a Honda into a performance vehicle. I can also use a wrench as a hammer, but why the hell would I do that when I could just buy a hammer?!?
'74 260z---NA L28 MSnS-E w/ Innovate Wideband
Already sparking, soon to be squirting.
Cogito, ergo dolorum.
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master shake obviously doesnt know how or when to assert if something is a figure of speech.....................
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"As far as I am concerned drag racing is racing for the people who do not know how to race"
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!
Ken
'82ZX n/a 2+2
'02 Sportster XL1200C
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"Author: NCC-1701-Z
Date: Nov 22, 9:38pm
As far as I am concerned drag racing is racing for the people who do not know how to race, sheesh, the only part about drag racing that requires skill is the launch and shifting. Take that away and all you would need is to tie the steering wheel and put a brick on the throttle! Why don't you all start looking at stuff like track times on road courses or handling at above 130? Exceleration is but one aspect of a car and a limited one at that! If you like to drag race get a rail with a blown hemi on it, those run sub 6 seconds! I bet you can beat all of those evil cameros and mustangs at the drag strip."
Obviously you don't know how to drag race. Drag Racing requires more than just stomping on the gas and shifting gears. There's the ability to know when and how to feather the gas to keep traction, which way to counter steer to keep your car straight, maintaining friction zone on the clutch without grinding gears, when to shift in order to keep in the power band. Most of drag racing is knowing your car and what it's going to do when the tree drops. I spent more time watching the tach and keeping an eye my gauges then I did the track ahead of me. Everyone said there was no way a 65 Chevy C10 could pull a 12 second quarter mile with a sbc 350 and street tires. It does when you know what your doing though.
But, I don't know **** because drag racing is so simple to do. Hell, with the way you put it a trained monkey could drag race, so why don't we just pull all the drivers out of the cars at the drag strip and put Bobo the chimp in the seat. At least then no one would get killed when their car does something unexpected and hits the rail at 120mph. Come on down to the Coastal Plains Raceway sometime and I'll show you how to drag race. I might even give you the chance to watch the tail lights of my JEEP as I pull away from you in second gear.
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81 280ZX - DD
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I was not saying that drag racing should be done by monkeys, I sayed that other than the launch and the shifting you the car could drive itself if it was blocked, I didn't say it takes NO skill, but I was saying is that compared to other forms of racing drag racing is a sport for those who know little of nothing about auto racing. Yes there is more to drag racing than what I stated, but all of what you added about drag racing is true of all other forms of racing, and they are not doing it in a straight line! There are sudden drops, stiff corners, hills to worry about plus other drivers in your lane that you have to finess around. And as far as something unexpected happening at 120, try something happening at 160 when comming up to a stiff bend or capping a hill!
Now, I never said that you know what ever the four asterisks were and I never said drag racing was simple, I did say that it was NOT the best way to judge all of a car's aspects and I said that driving a car in a straight line requires a brick and a rope. One thing that me and some others were talking about was taking the drivers out of the dragsters and running them by remote control, which I think might be fun and keep the driver's safer, but you went to the ludicrous area when you said we shoud put chimps in there; if you want to put a chimp or whatever behind the wheel of your car then go right ahead we have plenty of them behind the wheels of ricers these days. And at least chimps could be classically conditioned to race if you want them to. As far as your challenge to me, you assumed that I don not know how to drag race and that I never did... you assumed wrong. I have taken on a few people in drag races and won quite a bit. If I am ever down to costal plains raceway I will not bring my Z, I will bring my 6000 pound '76 Cadillac with the 8.2 liter, power power plant and I will smoke most everything that you can throw at me. I haven't checked it out recently, but I was in the 17s with my car not that long ago and in stock form. My Z is for top end and cornering and if you want to race my Z, then you will have to take it to a road course. However, I could drag race you in my Z if you want me to.
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Don't dog monkeys, they can be quick learners.
'73 Turbo, not much stock. Sold now... :-(
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You guys should come to Vermont in early february when we start Ice Trials. Check out http://www.sccv.org/galleries_html/html/jan_30_2005.html .The pictures dont do it much justice but it is fun as hell and there is really no way to crash.
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