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this is a project me and a friend are about to start,
as most know a pinto is rwd, and has a 2.3 liter inline 4 cyl..
how many of you have heard of the mustang SVO? or the thunder bird turbo coupe? mercury cougar XR7 TURBO? how about the merkur XR4TI? mustang GT TURBO? or the ranger TURBO? the all share the same engine.. 2.3 turbo.. a variant of the pinto engine.. the ones equipped with a manual trans come with 190-205 hp...
all of this bolts right into a pinto.. the only thing that would require modifacation would be the gas tank, to accomadate efi, and you would have to to a little wireing work.. other than that it is a direct swap..
those engines are capeable of pushing ALOT of hp.. well over 300 with just fuel system and exhaust mods.. put a nasty front mount on, upgrade the turbo and exhaust manifold, port the head, and install a metal head gasket, and voila! 400 hp..
imagine a raggedy nasty old pinto with 400 hp? no one would ever suspect a thing.. because it is a 4 banger and will sound like a shitty old 4 banger untill you hit the gas..
it is 10x cooler than a v8 swap. you can hear a v8 from a mile away..
what are your thoughts?
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i doubt it bolts up
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what do you mean? on what are you baseing that on? it is the same as bolting an l28 turbo in a 240z.. i have researched it.. the engine bolts to the mounts and the trans.. don't go spouting **** off that you don't know about
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Many years ago we had a vega with a small block in and a friend had a pinto with a 302 in it. Both were really quick but so light had a hard time getting traction on take off. Was fun as hell to drive would smoke the tires at just about any speed. And with enough effort anything is possible if you got the time and money it can be done...............
Jimmy
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It will still end up a refried bean if hit in the rear just right... Did Ford ever come up with a fix for that problem? One of my best friends (10 years younger) had a bean when he was in high school and HE loved it. But after he got a better car he never talked about the Pinto again. I don't even see them on the road any more. Maybe one in the last five years and it did not look like it was in too good of shape but it made me think about my friend!
Is the a pinto site out there to see if your ideal has been done or not?
IMHO a better Ford sleeper would be an old Falcon or Mavrick Grabber with the V8 in it. 1. that came that way 2. they had a quite ext system in stock form. 3. they are light 4. could be quick 5. shared parts with mustangs which should give move suspension and powertrain options.
Other then that what would you hope to see for an ET?
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well i came up with the idea about a month ago.. but i researched it, and yes there are others that have done it.. yes ford did fix the gas tank problem..
a mavric grabber is hard to come by, and they weigh more.. a falcon is expencive, and still looks like it could be quick.. and if you want to make any kind of serious power on an na v8, amoing other things you will have to run full exhaust, and cam it.. any one can hear the distinct sound of a v8.. and it will drink gas... i like the idea of a pinto because it is light and looks terrible..
as far as an ET, iam thinking some where around 12.7 with around 270 ish hp..
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Still can't get over what Jesse did to a honey bee. lol. Honey bee with a brand new VQ35DE in it. That was rich.
As for the pinto, yeah we have a couple people in vegas with a 302 and a few have done the 2.3 turbo. It's the same old thing at the track. People laugh at it then it smokes what ever it's up against. This is why I would like to build a shitbox racer. Just shows looks can be deceiving.
As for hook up a couple people have found ways around this. Everything from sandbags in the back to dropping the back end to where all of the weight goes over the rear.
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"as far as an ET, iam thinking some where around 12.7 with around 270 ish hp.."
That isn't much of a sleeper. Heck many cars with a little juice can get there with out all the hassle you are talking about.
If you aren't building to be in 11's why bother?
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v8 vegas and pintos are any thing but sleepers.. when you see a vega or pinto at a red light, with a set of "drag lites" shaking back and fourth, camming it's ass off, you would be an idiot if you did not know what it was.. even if it was parked, and you locked in a race, as soon as you started it, the gig would be up.. with the 4cyl idea, nothing has to be cut, and most cant tell a healthy 4 cyl from a ragged pile..
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dude... with a little modifacation it could be in the 11's.. but iam talking about a street race car.. and i am mainly wanting to go after sport compact cars most compacts and imports are not better than 12's for that matter, most street driven domestics are not any better than that...
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oh and there is not alot of hassle.. iam talking about building this car for under $1,500.. and ther is not much hassle other than swapping engines
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If you set your goal low enough you will probably achieve it. Many think they are fast beating a Honda, so I shouldn't be surprised to see this post here.
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trust me i know what iam talking about.. you avrage honda does not do better than a high 15.. my 240z just went 12.7 and 115 mph with a 2.0 60 ft.
high 12's in a 270 hp pinto is not a high goal..
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Drink gas! No that would have been my other buddy with a 70 GT500 428 Shelby... He use to say it was a race between the Speedo, Tach and the Gas Gauge and the Gas Gauge always won... LOL
For a stock car the grabber was not that bad on gas. Some twins got a 72 and had to share the car. Their dad made them log in the milage we they got in the car and when they got out of the car. I don't think that poor car ever saw more the a dollar of gas at one time. If you went out crusing with Donnie or Ronnie you had to stop three times in a night for that dollar of gas and gas was only 25 cents a gallon. But neither one would leave a drop of gas for the other one, the would be lucky the made it to the gas station when they got in it. Funny as hell back then...
As far as looks not much would beat the bean other then maybe a Pacer or Gremlin with the Levi's Seats...
Good luck...
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that pacer is making fun of the dodge neon ads. where it had a neon and "hi" written under it. but amc was not around long enough to have a cool turbo 4cyl... iam not doing a v8.. iam chooseing the 2.3 turbo for it's simplicity
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I've never seen a turbo Ranger. But a friend of mine had a Toyota with the 22RET, that was an odd little truck.
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"my 240z just went 12.7 and 115 mph with a 2.0 60 ft. "
Wow I never heard of a Z that fast? Must nail you to the seat with that kind of power lol
"high 12's in a 270 hp pinto is not a high goal.."
As I said, "If you set your goal low enough you will probably achieve it."
Good luck
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It would be a great learning experience regardless. Plus like you said, you can't do much with cars for 1500 anymore [regarding a full build including motorswap]. Only thing I'd worry about was chassis flex and just ripping the suspension/rear end to shreds.
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"imagine a raggedy nasty old pinto with 400 hp? no one would ever suspect a thing.. because it is a 4 banger and will sound like a shitty old 4 banger untill you hit the gas.. "
Imagine, if you will, a man in a full firesuit, in a 700HP turbocharged Pinto with a full cage going full tilt down the 91 Freeway in Los Angeles before the highway was oficially opened in a non-sanctioned Banzai Run!
Ask H4Lights about that incident. He had to go help bail him out!
(Oh, and ask him about the Pinto Refried Bean Fix, he was West Coast Coordinator on that if I "Recall"...)
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Should work fine, if you can find the raggedy old Pinto. If not, try it's more upscale cousin, the Mercury Bobcat. Some of the Courier pickups had the 2.3 also, though the base engine was a Mazda 2.0.
Years ago some guy put an Olds Toronado 455 into his Pinto. He raised the car up on a lift, put the engine on a crate, and started lowering the car. Whenever he came upon an obstruction, he cut it with his torch. At the end of his project, the 455 was solidly mounted in the rear of his hatchback Pinto. Being a Toronado unit, it came with the transaxle, eliminating any need for drivetrain mods.
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that sounds much like the method we used back in 78-79 to fit the same drivetrain the the midsection of a VW Beetle.
Yes, an Oldsmobile Toranado 455 in the back of a Bug that weighed about 1200#...sans Olds parts...
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My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Did anybody see Jay Lenos Twin turbo Toronado. It was around 1000 hp and could put out 1200 if need be.
78 ZT, 83 zx engine, T-5, custom 2.5 DP, glass pack exhaust, EVO IC, 2.5 IC piping, Cobra MAF, JWT 450 HP ECU, 440cc inj, 255lph fuel pump, RRFPR, man. boost cont., T-3 w/ clipped exh. .46 trim comp.