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This will motivate ya (EZ PZ):
http://metricmind.com/dc_honda/car.htm
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I'm gonna go out and look for a beater car to do that to right now. Catch you guys later
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Electic 300zx
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/604.html
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"I spend too much time raiding windmills"
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This looks like a fun project, but I have to laugh at any notion that this is an "environmentally friendly" project. He charges up the batteries on power-plant electricity (most likely coal-powered) that gets from the generation plant to his house at a whopping 15-20% efficiency. Then he uses his batteries for a claimed 700 cycles, or 2 years if driven daily, then throws away 10 huge lead-acid batteries - polluting whatever environment they are disposed in.
And, it's not even much cheaper than the gas engine he already had! He claimed the batteries are $68 each, so factor in tax and he's paying over $700 every two years on 10 batteries. His daily driving limit is 35 miles on a single charge. That's a maximum of 25,550 miles in two years before he buys new batteries (if they actually hold up that long!). For $2 a gallon for gas averaging 25mpg driving his frugal Honda CRX gas-engine, he'd pay $2000. Factor in the roughly three weeks of full time wage working on the swap (his estimate), add in the $700+ for batteries and you're looking at a stomach turning financial scenario. Obviously, the maintenance costs for both scenarios were thrown out, since that would be impossible to estimate for the battery setup.
So, he's basically using a highly inefficient, polluting coal-powered car that gives birth to 10 used-up lead acid batteries every two years. But the swap was probably fun!
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Quiet ride to work
Plug in and charge on your company's dime
Fun DIY project
Some benefits
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Ya, but the extension cord running from your office to the parking lot is a dead give-a-way!
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"Plug and charge on your company's dime"
Secretary: "Excuse me, Phil, the boss wants to see you in his office. Something about a giant extension cord going from the break room out to your CRX in the executive parking space."
Phil: "But my space was too far away. I only have a 50 foot cord!"
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Awwww Cyind - you stole my joke!!! Ha ha ha -
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LOL we have 3400kVA in diesel generators where I work and crazy electric consumption billing due to our overbuilt service so I am lucky ....and the site mgr said it was fine to do. Just need a light 240z donor :)
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Post Edited (Nov 18, 5:00pm)
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I saw a year or so ago a website where they were doing an electric 240Z. I also found a few months ago where some school did a 280Z electric as a project.
As far as the dirty electricity, the fact i that the plant making the electricity "could be from alternative source, nuclear, hydro, solar, etc. That is up to "your" electric co. The batteries are a great pollutant, BUT can be recycled. Of course at a cost to you... The project would be used to advance your own knowledge of electric cars, and how you could improve your design and make it more efficient. It's not practical, economical, or really even environmentally responsible, but it gets you thinking. That is good.
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So - maybe he could rig an alternator to a stationary bicycle to charge his batteries? Good excersize.
Then again he could use a non-stationary bike and pedal to work.
Nevermind!
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Ferrary, hah!
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OK , cmcniel, lets not try anything different here.
If we listen to arguments like yours , we would all still be riding horses.
First of all, not all electricity is coal generated.
in fact, most of it around here is now wind generated.
and if you have a little know how , you could easily build
a 12 volt wind generator.
Second, auto batteries are now one of the most recylcled
things on the planet.
Don't believe me? try dumping one!
and they are'nt just recycled, they are made into new ones.
So, lets start thinking ahead, instead of letting the oil companies keep
us in the last two centuries.
The optomist has no brakes, the pessimist has no motor.
I need a good parts car.........
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Internal combustion engine about 50% efficient
Power plant about 80% efficient
As above lead-acid batteries are one of the most recycled things on the planet. While not the best way to do it I'm sure he's the one who'll be laughing when you pay $68 per tank of gas, every week.
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Some of these arguments are hilarious:
MeAndMyZ: $68 per tank of gas per week? Does my car have a 34 gallon tank, which I empty once a week? More like a 15 gallon tank that I empty once every 3 weeks.
MeAndMyZ: Check your facts, man! Internal combustion engines are about 35% thermally efficient(HERE'S A SOURCE). Coal fired turbines that generate electricity are about 35% thermally efficient (HERE'S A SOURCE - BOTTOM OF PAGE 1), then they pass through multiple power transformer stations (losses each time) and a hundred miles of resistive cable to your house for an estimated 18-20% total efficiency. Almost half the IC engine.
wdnnkl: Wind power?!?!? I'd like to see your source on your supposition that "most of our power around here is now wind generated." That's hilarious! HERE'S A SOURCE that pegs wind energy at 0.0026% of the power supply for the world in 2001! They say it's rising at 52% per year, which for 2005 would put it at an astronomical 0.0084%!!!
I actually was saying that the project would be fun! I guess you guys skipped that. Oh well, your comments were good for a few laughs!
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Post Edited (Nov 19, 5:17am)
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Laptop batteried cars whoops a Viper: see the vid
http://www.evchargernews.com/video/TZero_small.mpeg
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Post Edited (Nov 19, 5:30am)
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That video is sweet! That electric car's startup torque must be awesome!
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Well, cmcniel, your source on wind power is out of date.
I'm not surprised though.
It seems that any info on alternative energy is being kept at a minimum.
And......Wind power really is dependent on where you live, and I live in the sticks.
The "gas" station down the street will sell over a million gallons of ethanol E-85
this year.
So , relatively speaking , that is a drop in the bucket.
Locally, that is a huge amount.
Statistically , it's NOTHING.
That should give you an idea of how things are.
The optomist has no brakes, the pessimist has no motor.
I need a good parts car.........
Post Edited (Nov 19, 10:05pm)
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The optomist with no brakes won't be so optomistic when he's in jail for running over grandma when she tried to cross the street.
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