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briann510,
In another post you wrote:
"im on different boards for our 240z, Z06, sd-455 Pontiac and more and its quite amusing to see the different maturities of ages on the different boards and how they amuse themselves in topics and postings that wander off subjet or nit pick with each other."
I didn't want to hijack Bama's goodbye post, so I thought I would post this here. Your words caught my attention and I thought I'd share a revised post that I sent to a guy who got flamed the other day. I wrote:
I'll try to get off my soapbox early on this issue. One of the problems with the Internet is it gave a voice to all the intoxicated, developmentally arrested, anti-social personality and borderline personality disordered people. In the normal course of life events you can walk away from these folks or at least just pimp slap them as needed. In the real world it's called logical consequences. Now you have all these Play Station 2 warriors in addition to the above mentioned folks who can write anything they want to and, to some extent, be heard. I see these fools on the Z board all the time and believe me they are everywhere. They sit in judgment of people's posts, which is something we all do to some extent. However, they go too far and call people derogatory names from the comfort and safety of their computer monitors knowing full well if they were in the presence of that person they would take a different route. Remember in grade school the kid who would wait to get to the end of the block and call you a name. Well, that little jewel grew up, (actually he just got older) missed some developmental milestones and failed to transition into adulthood …… and now he owns a computer (actually, he probably stole it). He's the gem you get to talk to when you’re on the boards.
I thought you would find this amusing. Take care.
John
77280Z (Spooky), 83ZXT (Garage Queen), 86ZXT (Bulldog).
Proud owner of 10/03 Z car of the month.
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LOL, I like that and it is oh so true. Bravo JML77280Z, well said.
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77 280Z - TEC3 Engine Management, Coil Packs, 3.1 Stroker, 550CC injectors, tripple throttle body FI intake, MSA Stage II Cam, etc...etc...
79 Fairlady - Rusty
81 280ZX - DD
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exactly and well said!
itall comes down to the type of cars being talked about and owned as to he postings meanings and thoughts and maturity. go to the tricycle boards and you get the 5 year olds mentality and so on....
seems the more epxensive the cars the more "adult" the forums are.
im off the soapbox now....next.
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It goes to a certain extent that way and then comes back down. I've seen some to the "holyer than thou" posts on some vette boards. Just because the guy has a $60k+ car he thinks is is all knowing and better than the guy who has the 70's or 80's driver car. They again start to act as little children. It's a much smaller percentage though. As with Z cars, kids buy them as well as older drivers. Most, but not all of the older owners are more into the historical value of the cars. Typically, the younger owners are into the Fast and Furious vision is seems. It goes both ways though and it seems everywhere on the net is about the same. You just live with it or sell oyur toys and move on.
1972 240Z 4-speed, header, 3.54 R200, Crane XR-3000 Ignition, 280Z tach, Tokico Blue Struts, Suspension Tech Springs, Poly Bushings. Visit me at my website for your custom EFI & restored Datsun parts
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Lots of great stereotypes and generalizations going on here... lol Just to give another perspective on things, being one of the younger members (I'm 23) alot of the older guys here can be very condescending just because of the fact that they ARE indeed older. And for the record I hate ricers just as much as the next person and I resent the "typical" stereotype of younger owners. In reality the age of someone has no bearing on the maturity of a person in any way, shape or form regardless of what many would have you believe. I've lived alone and supported myself since I was 15, yet I've got friends in their late 20s/early 30s who still live with their folks and do nothing and are just straight up bums. Now who's the more mature one?
Getting back to my point we all share a similar interest, that being Z cars. The 240Z guys tease the 300ZX guys because they dont like the styling and for it being heavy, the 300ZX tease the 240Z guys for being old and slow. To break it down further, even amongst the 300ZX forums the Z32 TT guys tease the Z32 NA guys. Amongst the Z31 owners the 2 seater guys tease the 2+2 guys and so on. In the end it's all taken lightly because a Z car is a Z car, something I haven't see this forum's users capable of doing. Some people just need to lighten up, but when guys get constantly attacked I'll admit it's hard to take things lightly. I've unfortunately had to witness over the past couple of years just about every single knowledgable Z31 owner depart from these forums due to one reason or another and create their own forum. I personally didn't just ditch this place for one reason, life's too short to get hung up on petty differences.
Anyway, on my way down off my soap box I'll depart with this; Young or old, you can still be a pompous ass all the same.
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project
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We will see if this post holds up (doubtful)...but here is a story you might all find funny...
I am not a car expert...my expertise is antiques and I do not know it all but however I do have other people who consult me (pretty high profile dealers and appraisers) on things every week...so I have something to offer it appears...
I have been trying to help people out on the ebay antiques discussion board who want to know about their items. Yesterday I told a seller about his item (a table)..and my opinion was picked apart and nitpicked by some other people...I took it for a while but the table was made of walnut and this one smarta** made a snide remark about it not being walnut and it just really hit me the wrong way...the whole idea of such a board is to give people accurate infromation (which I did)...and then some idiot comes along who abviously is just a troublemaker and tries to comment on something they know nothing about...
So I told him...'you prove the table isn't walnut and I will not come back to this board...I prove it is and you leave"..more smart alecky remarks...no challenge though...lol...
Now I am catchin hell about it...
hey "put your money where your mouth is"....ya know?
its pretty easy to hide in your house behind your computer....quite another to do it in person....
To make this more relevant for here...hey! try bein a 2+2 owner.....lol
1976 280z 2+2 - Risen from the dead - garaged since 1988. Pallnet Fuel Rail and guage - ES rack and front bushings - 260Z 4Speed - Arizona Z Car Clutch - H4 Lights - Lots more to come...
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Hey! I'm a real estate appraiser. Getting cussed out due to a valuation that doesn't meet expectations is an everyday expectation - the owner knows more than the appraiser.
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Well, I haven't been around here very long but I thought i'd throw my 2 cents in as well.
I've been to MANY different boards since I started driving. Several for my 200sx, a few for my Scirocco, however when it comes to my 2 Z's I have had (280zx 2+2 and Z32 300zx)I wouldn't trade the knowledge you can find here for anything. Granted lately to me it seems the boards are less and less technical and more conversation, but that's part of a forum to me. Members should feel comfortable when asking a question and welcomed. I know after I first got my 280zx I wanted to find out about the Z car history and this website helped me find many more websites with tons of info on them. I tend to disregard posts that start to argue over something petty and move on to another. This forum seems to be more forgiving and welcoming to a noobie than many others, yet stern enough that when the same question keeps showing up the search feature is emphasised.
So all in all, I like the forum, it'd be nice if I could contribute more but I just got my 300zx and I don't know crap about it yet. That's why I'm here! I know the 70-83 section taught me a lot when I was 16, I'm sure I can learn just as much now from the 90-96.
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1995 200sx SE-R - Daily Driver
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Yes some people can be abrasive. And sometimes it is the "older" people on the forum. But that may also be because they have been around the block a time or two (three, four, five, whatever) and have used up their tolerance for ignorance.
I don't know how many times I have been tempted to blast someone for asking for the x-thousandth time about something that is even still on the screen. But typically I don't as I know someone else will.
And that's also one of the biggest problems with Internet -- there's no "tone" in remarks. Some emotion, but not tone. That can make all the difference in the world. That's probably why some take offense sometimes to comments made.
Remember: Ask a stupid question, you're going to get a stupid answer. Whether you're 14 or 40.
But above all: Life is too short to let it get to you. No one can make you feel one way or another, you're in charge of that. It's how you choose to react.
Roger
1999 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 Quad Cab
1986 300ZX 2+2 NA 5spd
It's funny until someone gets hurt. Then, it's hilarious!
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I'm a pup, merely 20, and I make it a point to not ever become a ricer. I try to respect those on this board who earn it by proving themselves with their knowledge of Z cars (that's why we're here isn't it?), not who can talk the most trash. I like this forum because it seems the people here are still capable of having a sense of humor, whereas it seems hybridz is just cold and hostile. I know I don't konw nearly everything there is to know, and I'm here to learn. When I can help out I do, when I can't I won't try. If we weren't able to make fun of each other this forum would be what it is, we poke at each other and that makes it fun. Like 300zxt said about 240z guys(me) commenting on the weight of the 300zx guys(300zxt) :)
But JML is correct in that jerks come in all ages and sizes, it all depends on how many cornerstones in life they missed. Have a good one!
1972 240z w/L28, tokico shocks and springs, and a 5 speed waiting. Also running high performance ultra mega blinker fluid, that's at least an extra 50hp to the wheels.
1987 Toyota Supra Turbo 5-speed. Belongs to me until my friend get's back from Iraq.
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I would almost feel honored if this thread got closed down eventually. id be in the TonyD hall of fame running.
Hey a yearly hall of fame inductee award...now theres an idea!
it was funny when a few of my Vette forum members thought their Z06 vettes could easily take our 240z (the Vette ownership mentality ya know). they no longer speak bad things about Datsun Z cars, and i also told them thats just an NA car and many turbos will even lay waste to them even worse...LOL
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As far as condescension goes, ANYone, regardless of age, can expect to be condescended to when he ignores valid information from someone more knowledgable and experienced on a topic, regardless of HIS age.
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There's ways to correct someone, and then there's ways to be a complete dick about it. Fair enough if someone denies said fact and refuses to budge, but even then it still doesn't give anyone the right to start the personal attacks. The majority of the time on this forum it's just conflicting opinions which starts up arguments, not just one person ignoring the facts. It's when someone takes to someone with personal insults simply because they differ in opinion about a certain topic is when it gets unacceptable.
>Like 300zxt said about 240z guys(me) commenting on the weight of the 300zx guys(300zxt) :)
Yeah I dont mind being heavy, especially when the potential power and technological advancements makes up for it. When I'm in the 10's you can call me heavy all day! :) hehe
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project
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Yeah I dont mind being heavy, especially when the potential power and technological advancements makes up for it. When I'm in the 10's you can call me heavy all day! :) hehe
Thanks for providing todays humor.
Faster than a Motorola
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Whats funny about that? Many Z31 guys are in the 11's still with the stock rear end and factory interior... The humor is in your inability to accept it ;) lol
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project
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lol. Yeah but I look better! HA!
1972 240z w/L28, tokico shocks and springs, and a 5 speed waiting. Also running high performance ultra mega blinker fluid, that's at least an extra 50hp to the wheels.
1987 Toyota Supra Turbo 5-speed. Belongs to me until my friend get's back from Iraq.
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I've got bigger feet though... haha
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project
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(and have used up their tolerance for "ignorance". )
Have you shared the left lane today?
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The humor is in your inability to accept it ;)
No,the humor is in you trying to come off like you have experience.
Quick is determined by HP to weight ratio and nothing else.Same HP ,the lighter car will win(all other things being equal)
And on a road course,the heavier car can have more HP and will still lose.
Cars are like chicks-when they start rackin' up the pounds,they get slower.
Faster than a Motorola
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>Quick is determined by HP to weight ratio and nothing else.Same HP ,the lighter car will win(all other things being equal)
Oh gee, thank you for enlightening me on that all elusive fact.
Who the hell ARE you? I have a goal of 10 seconds down the strip, I dont care about the weight as that's the time I'm shooting for. I never made any boasted claims about my experience, I have a set goal and in time I will achieve it. Kindly crawl back under the rock that you came out from underneath... Thank you.
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project
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Bravo gentlemen bravo.
A decent, civil well thought out discussion - for most of this thread anyway.
Thank you.
Some of you do get it. Some of you can actually diagree or share information without labeling or libeling someone else.
For what small measure of reasoned rhetoric that I may have helped bring about through suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous self appointing superioity I thank you good folk for carrying on the good fight.
Support your fellow man (women too) and shout down the bully.
If I should be next on the list of the banned - so be it -
I can hold head high and be light of heart for I know -
"We have met the enemy - and he is us" (freely lifted from Pogo)
Good luck and good wishes to all of good heart!
Ed and Jeanne's
ZXelda 1981 280 ZXT: ZXena 1990 300 ZX
1941 Buick Special Sedanette (Betty)
1956 Dodge Royal (Dorothy)
1971 Buick Riviera (Rita)
1975 Ford F-150 Stepside (Fiona)
1992 Firebird (Frieda)
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I believe I delivered a fairly good point above in my intial post in this thread. Arubabill infact help support my point, some people just want to start an agrument with no basis to do so what so ever except that, to start an argument. I've learnt to take people like that with a grain of salt so to speak due to many reasons similar to those listed above by JML77280Z.
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project
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I have a goal of 10 seconds down the strip, I dont care about the weight as that's the time I'm shooting for.
This is one of the most ignorant things ever posted on this or any other automotive site.This shows a complete lack of understanding performance fundamentals.You have no clue what it takes to run 10 seconds.Therefore-you never will attain your goal-in a 300 at least.
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some people just want to start an agrument with no basis to do so what so ever except that, to start an argument.
No.Some people want to nip BS in the bud before younger guys with no experience(but are willing to listen)waste a shiat pile of money on something that ain't gonna happen.And end up with a busted check book and a pile of junk that sits in the driveway because they listened to a know-it-all with no experience.
Faster than a Motorola
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now that sounds like the bill i knew over at the Pontiac forum!!!!!
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Listen to yourself Arubabill, unlike some the Z31 community is very supportive and I have alot of contacts and friends whom to learn from that are all in the low 11's... I never once claimed I am an expert. You're making presumptions based on nothing but your own hot air. You took a simple comment between two other members not even to do with yourself and turned it into an excuse to create an arguement for no apparent reason. I have a goal which I have set, and guys like you are nothing but a waste of space.
>Quick is determined by HP to weight ratio and nothing else.
Oh and I suppose the time down the strip has nothing to do with quick either? You dont know me, nor do I care to know you so get off my case. I thank you for proving my prior point beyond all doubt, you're exactly the type of person as described above in JML77280Z intial post and the exact type of person I was describing myself. You couldn't of helped support what I was saying any better even if you tried. An old, bitter, condescending person with nothing better to do than start up unnecessary arguements to bolster ones online status. I have every "clue" what it takes to run 10s, but I do not need to proove anything to you at all... You dont know me, dont pretend you do. Now get back in your box where you belong.
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project
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