Q:
got pulled over in the Z last night at 2330 hours.
first officer asked to see the usual documents then waited for 2nd officer to arrive for a more thorough inspection.
was asked to pop the hood (and told to stay in the car). the officer opened the hood and both of them proceded to check the engine compartment out, then questioned what kind of carbs they were and such and made comment these came with 4 bbls on them and we had illegal carbs on car (officer was told thjey did not come with 4 bbls carbs). then they looked under car and said we did not have a cat on the car and the exhuast could not end under the car and had to exit out the back and they were told this year didnt have one (they didnt know crap obviously about smog devices and years affected and they had to be educated on the datsun).
officer then asked what the redline of this engine was and then asked my son to push the tach button with ign on to show him what the tach light was set at which was 7K (can you believe this harassment of wanting to see what shift light was set at).
officer walked around the car and asked if the car had ever been to a referee station to be checked for exhaust decibel measurement and he was told yes and the officer said fine.
the 2 officers then commented we will get pulled over constantly because ofwhat is visile to officers passing by etc..:
our "fast Z" license plate
our monster aftermarket tach, gauges and shift light on dash visible to officers
roll bar and harnesses
any "racing" stickers on the car
a "street racer" look of the car
after all said and done only got a fix it ticket for no rear bumper. interesting we have no front bumper or license plate either but they overlooked that.
i knew a few months back on the new crackdown on ANY cars that have aftermarket tachs, chrome aftermarket pipes out back (we have none as the pipe ends behind ddrivers seat area), stickers on the windows or anything other visible attraction that might show the car is street raced or modded illegaly.
its sad when you can be minding your own business, driving normal actually under posted speed limit and still got pulled over and harassed.
this is California, land of the "street racer look" look crackdown. its pure harassment and borderlining filing complaints for crap like this. this is the 2nd time being pulled over in same city and subjected to the same crap by these fine officers.
Post Edited (Nov 18, 8:04am)
A:
Did you say comunist california >LOL>>>
That sucks
What are ya gonna do??
1981 280ZX NA
350k + on the Original motor
Still enjoyin the RIDE!!!
A:
I used to have that same problem with my red 73 455 TA. I think the bright colors get their attention more than anything else.
www.zselect.com
75 280Z Current project car
75 280Z Hybrid Chevy 350
90 300ZX Just for fun
A:
oh man i wont even drive my Pontiac in this one city as they used to pull me over all the time there.
what are we gonna do?...get the ticket signed off (by a family member), and permantly stay out of this city that keeps harassing us in all of our "performance" looking cars (my Z06 included as they have even pulled me over in and asked if I street race it because of the harness bar, camera mount, shift light and track tires on it and especially the license plate referring to racing.
I will gladly accept any harassment/ticket/lectures etc. if I am pulled over for racing or exhibition and such, but this continued BS just for visuals of the car itself even sitting not running in a parking lot is exactly that...BS
im gonna start mounting my camera even driving around in town and get these harassing cops on video when they pull me over, then go to town on them with the local tv stations and press.
UNBELIEVABLE!
Post Edited (Nov 18, 8:59am)
A:
i feel ya.
im gettin harassed like that all the way over here in FL, and they don't have strict laws like you... they just like to pull over my Z...
77Z- (mfg. 7/77)
"Arm-chair Autox'er"
A:
Sucks when you get harrased, but it seems you still got off fairly easy considering what you told us they could have done. Bitching about laws won't help, you have to elect new officials and get the lunatics out of office, no other way around it.
19[TT]91
My TT beauty is gone.
2[00]2 Honda 954RR
Suzuki 1200 S; sportscar eater
19[I4]94 Integra GSR Sedan
Long live the Z...
aka SAHTT
A:
do you vote in all elections?
____________________________________
1980 280ZX coupe
2001 maxima
1994 F150 4x4 van works custom truck
170000 and never needed mech repairs
1996 ford explorer -they cant all be good
A:
thats sucks Brian...you know I used to cuss Kansas a lot when I lived there but at least you could drive what you wanted with no hassle from the cops...no inspection...no emissions...nothin...I got a ticket for not having a "town sticker" on my car here in Virginia...
Didn't realize how good Kansas drivers have it as far as the regulations until I moved to Va and also posts like yours here on this forum...
1976 280z 2+2 - Risen from the dead - garaged since 1988. Pallnet Fuel Rail and guage - ES rack and front bushings - 260Z 4Speed - Arizona Z Car Clutch - H4 Lights - Lots more to come...
A:
That sucks. I was always affraid of that when I lived in CA. Too many ricers and over the years have given car hobbiest a bad name. Now anyone with a nice looking car can get pulled over for nothing all in the name of the "street racer look." I remember I would see unexplained car crashes on the news that had speeding involved and it would automaticly be blamed on street racing. This would be all over the news with the next stories being on how cops plan to crack down and street racers and BS like that. Then a few days later I would read in the local paper that the acciedent was more something like the driver feel asleep or lost control or was having a seizure; basically nothing to do with street racing. Of course did they go back on the news and say oops our mistake? Hell no. Seems here in NV they are a little better about this but I'm tired of this whole cracking down on street racers BS. 9/10 times it isn't a street racer issue but they like to say it is.
1977 280z: Intake, exhaust, high flow cat, header, euro damper, cam, MSD, adj. FPR, 3.7 lsd, F+R sway+strut bars, 2580lbs
1984 300zx: intake, exhuast, high flow cat, headers, JWT ECU, F+R sway bars, F strut bar
06 WRX TR
A:
I dont mind being pulled over if im actually doing something wrong and taking a ticket, fine or whatever, but in this case andall too common all cases now it was just a simple "pull the car over cause it looks like its modded and street races". I mean the cop flat out said thats why he did the stop and for no other reason than the license plate is associated with racing, the aftermarket tach is visible and cowl hood all relates to street racing. he said it was just cause to inspect the car for illegal mods.
im laughing about it now as the guy was a real dick and really uneducated about aftermarket stuff and what came on certain year cars and even when cats were required year wise. he didnt know squat and neither did the 2nd guy. their sole purpose was to intimidate and keep us out of their city in the future late at night.
A:
"their sole purpose was to intimidate and keep us out of their city in the future late at night."
Looks like they did their job.
A:
I can imagine the temptation to be a smart a$$ was overwhelming too...lol
1976 280z 2+2 - Risen from the dead - garaged since 1988. Pallnet Fuel Rail and guage - ES rack and front bushings - 260Z 4Speed - Arizona Z Car Clutch - H4 Lights - Lots more to come...
A:
Its gonna get worse.
Rusty but running.
Polish cell phone and two tubes of Aluma-seal.
And, now we are historic.
A:
hehehe nope they didnt scare us away at all. we still meet everyone in that cities one parking lot for hanging out and street racing afterwards for the last 10 years and will continue doing so every fri/sat night. cops aint gonna stop anyone or us from showing up (and its getting bigger every month) although they think they are with their bs stops. we will see them again tonight im sure and probably get pulled over for something new and exciting.
its funny when i see them harassing everyone in their "ricers" in the parking lot, but dont even walk over to most of the older American muscle or my 10 second Z06 to "inspect" it as it doesnt look like a ricer and it looks stock...LOL. the cops eventually leave the lot and wait down the street hoping to pull over as many as they can on the public street when people leave.
i live for this excitement and its all a game to people around here with the cops antics! LOL
Post Edited (Nov 18, 10:39am)
A:
I've noticed the police have been following me a lot more lately in Southern California. Right after I got the Z road worthy, I had at least one cop follow me per day. They would swoop in, run the plates then leave. I'd love to just drop it in to 2nd and light up the tires, but don't need the hassle of them checking the car out. Most of them wouldn't know a thing about a 1970 car anyways.
1970-numbers matching-Slow restoration! Temporary(78-L28, 78-5, 3.54, 6-1) XR700, Hi6s, Poly-U
1970-no matching numbers Work in progress
1973-parts car rust bucket
1993-F150 modified 4.9L inline6, 311k, chip, cam, 3in hiflo cat, lowered 3/5, sway bar
A:
Until someone, with the backing of SEMA, is willing to sue to stop these types of "driving while rice" stops, nothings going to change. It you think you have a case, contact SEMA and see if their legal staff will back you up. Otherwise, complaining about it is just like complaining about the weather.
- John
A:
Sounds like they are targeting the right cars. And you came across as so persecuted. Waaah. Poor briann.
"we still meet everyone in that cities one parking lot for hanging out and street racing afterwards for the last 10 years and will continue doing so every fri/sat night."
I hope you get caught. Please post when you do.
A:
I know racial profiling is illegal so I guess now we gotta get "car profiling" declared illegal as well!!
Whatever happened to INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty or perhaps WAITING to pull somone over AFTER they break the law??
This is like that movie where in the future they forsee a crime and killl you before you commit the crime.
MAKE NO MISTAKE, THE COMMIE ENVIRONMENTAL LIBERAL IDIOTS RUN THIS COUNTRY!!!!!
-----------------------------------------
12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
A:
> MAKE NO MISTAKE, THE COMMIE ENVIRONMENTAL LIBERAL IDIOTS RUN THIS COUNTRY!!!!!
I thought anti-rice was a product of right-wing "won't somebody please think of the children!" fascist idiots.
A:
Nope leo that is PURELY the province of LIBERALS!!!
Liberals ALWAYS cry "It's for the children" before they try to take away your money and your rights.
Think GUN CONTROL.
-----------------------------------------
12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
Post Edited (Nov 18, 11:45am)
A:
You have said this before. Liberals are not about removal of rights. The current Republican government has removed many rights, and they are NOT liberals.
From Wiki:
"Liberalism is an ideology, philosophical view, and political tradition which holds that liberty is the primary political value.[1] Liberalism has its roots in the Western Age of Enlightenment, but the term now encompasses a diversity of political thought.
Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights. It seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on power, especially of government and religion, the rule of law, free public education, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports relatively free private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of all citizens are protected.[2] In modern society, liberals favor a liberal democracy with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law and an equal opportunity to succeed."
A:
Nope, note the DEFINITION of "Liberal" aka "Liberals"
1) Having an OPEN mind...
note the definition of "conservative" (to me anyway...)
NOT the SEPERATION of "Church and State" but the similarity as such...and the slow, painful transition of which can only piss off most of us. :)
A:
I have norm's back on this one.
I don't vote in all elections, but I live in TX and besides some property tax laws etc. there isn't a whole lot I get angry about that aren't national issues [speaking of midterms that just passed].
Our police system is about on par with our public education system [short of universities].
19[TT]91
My TT beauty is gone.
2[00]2 Honda 954RR
Suzuki 1200 S; sportscar eater
19[I4]94 Integra GSR Sedan
Long live the Z...
aka SAHTT
A:
ant one here that complains about the police, government, or the system THAT hasnt voted in every possible election oppurtunity IS THE VPROBLEM with our country. it cracks me up how many people i hear that whine and cry about how bad things are or have gotten and didnt vote. they let the jackasses that are in charge get in charge.
however if you voted in every possible election oppurtunity than the above does not apply to you.
if i went around in all black clothes and a black ski mask with a gun in my hand - do you thimk the cops might mistake me for a bank robber??
dont get me wrong here im not saying that street racing is all bad- i did my share of it years ago when i had a fast car but if i got pulled over and harrassed i know i was driving a car that looked ,sounded and was fast. if i got a ticket it just made up for the times i didnt get caught. however i have well over 400 streety races from the 70's and 80's and never once got a drag racing ticket. i did get tickets for too loud exhaust and running yellow lights ect. and i figured it all washed out in the end.
so briann just how many times did you get away with something in your car in the last 10 yrs of street racing?
____________________________________
1980 280ZX coupe
2001 maxima
1994 F150 4x4 van works custom truck
170000 and never needed mech repairs
1996 ford explorer -they cant all be good
A:
up above said:"I hope you get caught. Please post when you do"
I have been caught many times and posted the scenerio's on quite a few different boards over the years. Ive been towed, taken to the station, fined and thrown over a hood and cuffed in the last 34 years street racing (over 20 tickets and half a dozen license suspensions since the mid 70's for street racing and exihbitions of speed contests) and it never phases me one bit to stop it. i dont care how tuff they get, what laws they pass they can kiss my ass. ive been lit up in my Z06 and all the cops say is a "arent you a little old to be doing that and i always reply "no, why do you ask?", and that really pisses em off.
their profiling the car is so gestapo tactics. they need to go back to profiling drivers only (and you know what i mean by that).
SEMA is looking into this as i and many other people have contacted them earlier this year about it.
any day now i will see the SS pins right next to the officers badges.
Post Edited (Nov 18, 2:28pm)
A:
Move to TN. You don't even need a license plate if you know the sheriff & stay in the county.
Anyone can drive a new car.
A:
do you vote?
____________________________________
1980 280ZX coupe
2001 maxima
1994 F150 4x4 van works custom truck
170000 and never needed mech repairs
1996 ford explorer -they cant all be good
A:
Liberals want us all driving small displacement 4 cylinder nerdmobiles and bicycles.
Your definition of liberal isn't accurate either as the Liberals are the ones forcing all the anti choice ordinances. One LIBERAL town recently passed a BAN on all smoking within the city limits including outdoor parks and even in your own damn CAR..and NO I don't smoke, BUT it should be my choice if I want!!!
It's Liberals who want to take away my right to bear arms. Look at what happened in ENGLAND when they banned citizens from owning handguns!!
LIBERALS are AGAINST personal choice UNLESS of coure it involves KILLING a fetus.
-----------------------------------------
12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
Post Edited (Nov 18, 1:36pm)
A:
Libertarian: One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state.
A:
yeah Norm, gun control, that means hitting your target, hehe, and Briann watch out, ghosttanker will jump in here and call you and ignorant a$$hole just for knowing that you race a car on the street and nothing else. at least thats what he did to me. even though he has a modded "daily driver"....must not be fun to have a toy you can't play with but have to drive every day. bleh.
82 NA 5 spd
77 4 spd
A:
Yeah right Steve!! haha
-----------------------------------------
12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
A:
"Nope leo that is PURELY the province of LIBERALS!!!
Liberals ALWAYS cry "It's for the children" before they try to take away your money and your rights.
Think GUN CONTROL."
Give me a break. How about you think a woman's right to choose, gay marriage, pornography, electronic eavesdropping and whole lot of other police-state wet-dreams of the right wing? And "gun control" is a crappy example, because it's right-wingers who cry "think of the children" when they try to convince everyone that they need a big-ass machine gun to protect their homes from the massive hordes of thieves and rapists trying daily to break into their homes.
Your weak attempt at trying to pin anti-ricer profiling on liberals is dumb, especially since liberals are vehemently anti-profiling. Its the right-wingers who have a boner about searching only and all arab men at airports, and similarly, it is right-wingers who want to keep those damn speeding (and presumptively asian) kids in check.
"Your definition of liberal isn't accurate either as the Liberals are the ones forcing all the anti choice ordinances."
Yeah, and it was a set of right-wingers in Texas who went into bars and hotels and started arresting people for public drunkedness, even people who clearly were not drunk and were sitting across from their designated driver pregnant wives.
Post Edited (Nov 18, 1:55pm)
A:
try gettin pulled over by almost every cop you pass, because my exhaust is shot, sounds almost like a true v6 race car.. by when they do there little "visual" they find out that the only thing i have done is put a damn start buton on..bastards..
----------------------------------------------------
1981 n/a 280zx
1952 m38a1 jeep willy's
1971 fairlady 240z
95 300zx N/A
72 240z
A:
one thing is for certain...I liked the 70s and 80s better than now...things were better then...and not just cause I was younger and "gettin more"....(oh alright...yes it is).....lol
1976 280z 2+2 - Risen from the dead - garaged since 1988. Pallnet Fuel Rail and guage - ES rack and front bushings - 260Z 4Speed - Arizona Z Car Clutch - H4 Lights - Lots more to come...
A:
yes i vote, but so do people in Russia and look what it gets them.
Post Edited (Nov 18, 2:13pm)
A:
Let's see it LIBERALS who kicked Prayer and the Bible out of our schools cause it was dangerous for the minds of kids EVEN THOUGH ALL OUR FOUNDING FATHERS WERE TAUGHT THE BIBLE in SCHOOL.....NOW look at the problems facing our schools.
It's LIBERALS who say you can't have a nativity scene downtown because it offends people, BUT yet they have no problems letting naked teenagers run around downtown. See story below.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2354739
Basicallly LIBERALS are for allowing anything IMMORAL when it comes to choice.
Please show me ONE classic northeastern LIBERAL politician who isn't an anti-car nutjob.
Conservatives LOVE to speed!!! But every slow azz car I pass on the Highway seems to have an old KERRY 04 bumpersticker on it's azz.
Why do you think NASCAR started in the CONSERVATIVE South and not the LIBERAL Yankee states??
CONSERVATIVES LIKE to speed!!! haha
-----------------------------------------
12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
A:
im glad to see my son isnt scared of these nazi cops and continues to drive his car his way with whatever mods he wants on it and continue the sport of car collecting, racing and general all around fun with them. most people bite the bullet, go buy a family car and call it quits the cops win. we dont.
hey Norm, lucky we dont live in the same city or we would probably overthrow the local govt.
Post Edited (Nov 18, 2:16pm)
A:
>Let's see it LIBERALS who kicked Prayer and the Bible out of our schools
> cause it was dangerous for the minds of kids EVEN THOUGH ALL OUR
> FOUNDING FATHERS WERE TAUGHT THE BIBLE in SCHOOL.....NOW look at
> the problems facing our schools.
Liberals brought freedom by removing prayer and religious nuttery from schools. Freedom gains, freedom rings.
The founding fathers were not conservative xtians contrary to popular belief. The Framers were quite diverse religiously, and intended religion to be separated from government after witnessing the British system. Many of the Framers were Freemasons, a popular religion at the time that is contrary to xtianity.
"SIGNERS OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE
Known Masons (8): Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, Joseph Hewes, William Hooper, Robert Treat Payne, Richard Stockton, George Walton, William Whipple
Evidence of Membership And/or Affiliations (7): Elbridge Berry, Lyman Hall, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Nelson Jr., John Penn, George Read, Roger Sherman
Summary: 15 of 56 Signers were Freemasons or probable Freemasons.
It's true that this represents only 27% of the total signers. But this 27% included the principle movers of the Revolution, most notably Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, the primary authors of the Declaration. The former was a Freemason, the latter a deist and possible Freemason. If one were to analyze the Declaration, he would see the humanistic influences.
In any event, there is no evidence that even 27% of the signers were true Christians. In considering whether or not this is a Christian nation, it isn't the number of Masons that is as important as is the number of founders overall who were non-believers.
SIGNERS OF THE CONSTITUTION
Known Masons (9): Gunning Bedford, Jr., John Blair, David Brearly, Jacob Broom, Daniel Carrol, John Dickinson, Benjamin Franklin, Rufus King, George Washington
Evidence of Membership And/or Affiliations (13): Abraham Baldwin, William Blount, Elbridge Gerry, Nicholas Gilman, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, John Lansing, Jr., James Madison, George Mason, George Read, Robert Morris, Roger Sherman, George Wythe
Those Who Later Became Masons (6): William Richardson Davie, Jr., Jonathan Dayton, Dr. James McHenry, John Francis Mercer, William Patterson, Daniel of St. Thomas Jenifer
Summary: 28 of 40 signers were Freemasons or possible Freemasons based on evidence other than Lodge records."
>Basicallly LIBERALS are for allowing anything IMMORAL when it comes to
> choice.
You mean immoral according to your standards. Morality is relative.
A:
Ben Franklin
1787
"Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged."--Article III of the Northwest Ordinance of 1787.
"During that crisis period [of the Constitutional Convention], when the temperature and tempers threatened to go through the ceiling, eighty-one-year-old Benjamin Franklin, the second-most-respected man in the colonies, rose to make what has become a famous plea: that prayers be held in the assembly every morning before delegates proceeded with the agenda. In his address he also requested that one or more of the city's clergy be present to officiate in that service. Prayers have opened both houses of Congress ever since."--LaHaye, in FFF, p. 57.
-----------------------------------------
12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
Post Edited (Nov 18, 2:28pm)
A:
George Washington
1789
"It would be peculiarly improper to omit, in this first official act, my fervent supplication to that Almighty Being, who rules over the universe, who presides in the councils of nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that His benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the people of the United States. . . . No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand which conducts the affairs of men more than the people of the United States. Every step by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency. . . . We ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained."--George Washington, in his first inaugural address (April 30, 1789), reprinted in The Writings of George Washington, ed. John C. Fitzpatrick (Washington: United States Government Printing Office, 1931-44),vol. 30, pp. 292-6.
-----------------------------------------
12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
Post Edited (Nov 18, 2:32pm)
A:
"You mean immoral according to your standards. Morality is relative."
Guess that means that the guy who rapes your wife girlfriend and steals your car should walk free since IT IS NOT against his morals.
"Let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion."--George Washington, ca. 1789, in Maxims of Washington, ed. John F. Schroeder (Mt. Vernon: Mt. Vernon Ladies Association, 1942), p. 106.
-----------------------------------------
12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
Post Edited (Nov 18, 2:32pm)
A:
>"Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government
> and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall
> forever be encouraged."--Article III of the Northwest Ordinance of 1787.
Far be it for you to contradict most Constitutional scholars, Norm, maybe you can correct history for them. Freemasonry was a religion. And by the way, Thomas Jefferson has letters that express is angst over religion, just as he opposed induced monopolies.
Note also that religion and morality are separate, just as Ted Haggard will tell you.
A:
>Guess that means that the guy who rapes your wife girlfriend and steals
> your car should walk free since IT IS NOT against his morals.
No, but the guy who has sex before wedlock won't go to jail because of YOUR morals.
A:
1860
"Christianity is not the legal religion of the State, as established by law. If it were, it would be a civil or political institution, which it is not; but this is not inconsistent with the idea that it is in fact, and ever has been, the religion of the people. This fact is everywhere prominent in all our civil and political history, and has been, from the first, recognized and acted upon by the people, as well as by constitutional conventions, by legislatures and by courts of justice."--The New York Supreme Court, in Lindenmuller v. The People, 33 Barbour 561.
-----------------------------------------
12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
A:
"No, but the guy who has sex before wedlock won't go to jail because of YOUR morals."
Well if she's under the age of consent he sure will go to jail!!!
But wait ,his morals say it's OK to screw 13 years olds so I'm sure YOU would support him because HEY Morals are relative!!
-----------------------------------------
12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
A:
1864
"All the good the Saviour gave to the world was communicated through this book [the Bible]. But for it we could not know right from wrong."--Abraham Lincoln, "Reply to Loyal Colored People of Baltimore," Sept. 7, 1864, in CWAL, vol. 7, p.542.
-----------------------------------------
12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
A:
Extremest Liberal's and extremest Conservatives are the greatest threat to freedom.
Both are fascists towards anyone that doesn't believe the same way they do.
Fiscally responsible Libertarianism is the only way to save the future. ;)
72 WooHoo!! In good shape too...
72 Rolling Chassis (RB or LS1?)
80 NA SCCA ST2/CP (Car + Tree = Dead)
82 NA 3.0L the rust monster got it
82 ZXT 3.1L, 25psi! Hit in the right rear. ;(
83 parts car
92 TT Sold! ;(
02 Looking for an '03 made in '02
Post Edited (Nov 18, 3:02pm)
A:
hey Z32dood
Note that lack of religion and morals will lead one to kill a young girl in a river.....just ask the LIBERAL POSTER CHILD Ted Kennedy
-----------------------------------------
12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
A:
i like the whole BS separation of church and state, what they mean is, when it suits the government, like how you can't buy alcohol in alabama on sunday. thats why i bought my corona light 6 pack today, hehe. isn't it great the way a kid can't bow his head to pray to God in class but in the court room you have to stand for a person deemed honorable by other people? seems too much like idolism to me.
82 NA 5 spd
77 4 spd
A:
You can find random quotes on both sides. What is the point?
>1864
>"All the good the Saviour gave to the world was communicated through
> this book [the Bible]. But for it we could not know right from wrong."-
>-Abraham Lincoln, "Reply to Loyal Colored People of Baltimore," Sept. 7,
> 1864, in CWAL, vol. 7, p.542.
Talk about an insane quote. To somehow imply that the Bible is required for morality is ridiculous. Humans lived for huge periods of time with thousands of differing religions and did just fine. There are many works on the subject of establishing human social morality and relations, including Rousseau's "Social Contract" that have nothing to do with religion.
Anyway, it appears that your definition of what you perceive as Liberal is based on the angst you have toward non-xtians and how they have done things of which you don't approve due to your binding of morality and religion.
The original topic, harassment by the law, is something that I have to deal with on a basis due to the car I drive, regardless of whether the cop is a fundie or not.
A:
Author: z32d00d
Date: Nov 18, 3:01pm
You can find random quotes on both sides. What is the point?
I'm glad you get my point ,now back on topic.
-----------------------------------------
12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
A:
ouch, hehe
82 NA 5 spd
77 4 spd
A:
i think it was a fix it ticket for no back bumper, right?
____________________________________
1980 280ZX coupe
2001 maxima
1994 F150 4x4 van works custom truck
170000 and never needed mech repairs
1996 ford explorer -they cant all be good
A:
Notice here the LIBERAL DEMS VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY to KEEP the penalties for NOT wearing a seat belt and helmet.
I'm still searching for the speed limit resolution, once I find that I'll post it and PROVE LIBERALS are also the ones making you GO SLOW!!!
Question: On the Amendment (Smith Amendment No. 1437 )
Vote Number: 271 Vote Date: June 20, 1995, 05:36 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Amendment Rejected
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 1437 to S. 440
Statement of Purpose: To provide for the elimination of penalties for noncompliance with motorcycle helmet and automoblie safety belt requirements.
Grouped By Vote Position YEAs ---44
Abraham (R-MI)
Ashcroft (R-MO)
Bennett (R-UT)
Brown (R-CO)
Burns (R-MT)
Campbell (R-CO)
Cochran (R-MS)
Craig (R-ID)
Dole (R-KS)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Gramm (R-TX)
Grams (R-MN)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Helms (R-NC)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Kassebaum (R-KS)
Kempthorne (R-ID)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Mack (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nickles (R-OK)
Nunn (D-GA)
Packwood (R-OR)
Pressler (R-SD)
Robb (D-VA)
Roth (R-DE)
Santorum (R-PA)
Shelby (R-AL)
Simpson (R-WY)
Smith (R-NH)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thompson (R-TN)
Thurmond (R-SC)
NAYs ---53
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Boxer (D-CA)
Bradley (D-NJ)
Breaux (D-LA)
Bryan (D-NV)
Bumpers (D-AR)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chafee (R-RI)
Cohen (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Coverdell (R-GA)
D'Amato (R-NY)
Daschle (D-SD)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Exon (D-NE)
Faircloth (R-NC)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Ford (D-KY)
Frist (R-TN)
Glenn (D-OH)
Gorton (R-WA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatfield (R-OR)
Heflin (D-AL)
Hollings (D-SC)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Jeffords (R-VT)
Johnston (D-LA)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerrey (D-NE)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Moseley-Braun (D-IL)
Moynihan (D-NY)
Pell (D-RI)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Simon (D-IL)
Warner (R-VA)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Not Voting - 3
-----------------------------------------
12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
A:
Cry me a river.
34 years of driving and licensed at 16 would make you 50. You talk and behave like an angry teenager.
Post Edited (Nov 18, 3:38pm)
A:
72n03Z aka justinrhenry why are trying to provoke briann twice now in this thread when he didn't bother repsonding to your first insult?
-----------------------------------------
12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
Post Edited (Nov 18, 3:39pm)
A:
Yeah, 1995 THAT'S the YEAR CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS REPEALED THE HATED 55 MPH NATIONAL SPEED LIMIT!!
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa346.pdf
I haven't found the vote totals yet, but when I do ,who wants to bet the LIBERAL DEMS were the ones that voted NO in overwhelming numbers?
-----------------------------------------
12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
Post Edited (Nov 18, 3:48pm)
A:
hahahaha well said Norm
people can provoke me all they want as its a free country sometimes and i generally dont give a rats ass what other people think of me or what i believe in. just as long as they stay on the sidewalk and out of my way when im racing any of my cars.
Post Edited (Nov 18, 4:13pm)
A:
YES!!!
Libertarian: One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state.
the lesser of two evils...
73' 240z: F54 4.2L, OS Giken LY DOHC Crossflow head, 17:3comp.ratio, N33, Tripple SU's, T10 Hybrid Draw-Through TT @ 47pds, Roots&Centrifugal Type supercharger, 3-2-1 headers, Centerforce 4 clutch, 6oz flywheel, R300 differential, Super-Hicas
A:
It was juicy until the proverbial Thinker peed on the table.. (Morality is relative)
Have you shared the left lane today?
A:
Lose the semi-ricer look and go by unnoticed, problem solved...
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project
A:
we have pulled all the stickers off the windows, no chrome pipe out the back (in fact no 3" pipe out the back at all anymore), rebel flag off the antenna, bad cop no donut bumper sticker taken off and a 1972 Nixon/Agnew bumper sticker put on in its place to look all original for a late 72 production 73.
all thats left is to paint it a neutral color and drive it with the engine coasting downhills.
Post Edited (Nov 18, 5:18pm)
A:
shortmustache after winning at the illegal races on black Friday nights back in the thirties
Have you shared the left lane today?
A:
Im real paranoid driving around police lol I just go by real slow until they've passed and then spool back up again :P
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project
A:
Lose the semi-ricer look and go by unnoticed, problem solved...
Exactly.... that's how the whole aftermarket parts business started, including comoanies like Edelbrock.... for bootlegger's during Prohibition.... they drove ordinary stock cars and heavily modified the engines and suspensions so they could ditch cops and cross county/state lines in a hurry.... unfortunately, this might be the only option soon (stock only).... profiling is only going to get worse and worse and the gov't will put stricter and stricter controls as time goes... Democrat or Republican they're all in it together... enjoy modifying your Z while it lasts
A:
>I'm glad you get my point ,now back on topic.
Oh, I see the points in an argument. I'm also good at spotting those with truck-sized holes in them. We agree to disagree, I'm sure.
So back on topic, would you say those Republicans that systematically revoked your right of association, right to be free of unreasonable searches, right to habeas corpus, etc. are "Liberals" or "Conservatives"?
Do you think Bush is a liberal then?
A:
BUSH is A FLAMING LIBERAL!! Does that answer your question??
-----------------------------------------
12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
A:
bat rastards
"YES I will finish what I sta"
.
1977 280Z blue 2+2,
1973 240z
1977 280Z coupe in restoration progress
A:
Heres a great defination of Liberty (requires flash installed)
http://www.illuminati-order.com/PhilosophyOfLiberty-english-music.swf
This whole world smells bad, I'd buy another if I had
back what I paid for another mother@#$%@# in a motorcade
A:
cops suck never there when you need them and busting your balls when you don't.they'e pulling over these pocket rockets with less han 200 hp's.but not pushing much on the 500 hp corvettes.i don't get it.i claim serious profiling.california has a major problem and we need to get it fixed.
Z's are like woman maintenance,maintenance,maintenance!
1971 240Z gunmetal metalic 5sp 4:11 gears in the rear
illuminas and purchased from the original owner w/136k original miles
A:
the vette comment is totally right on the money and thats my 1 fast car the cops cant write me up for mods and its street raced all the time.
i smile cause the cops got nothing on it when they pull me over and boy have they checked it on more than 1 ocassion. it definatly pisses em off they know how fast it is and they cant write me up for anything. im glad to say i have the upper hand sometimes with the cops.
pretty much all the performance cars around here are all going with approved aftermarket parts so the cops cant hassle them anymore. cops will probably figure out some new way to try and stop all the insanity then.
Post Edited (Nov 19, 10:08am)
A:
Stickers not only attract cops, but criminals too... It's like adding a parts list to the side of your car and saying "hey look at all the uber cool stuff I have, please steal my car" lol
It takes a sharp eye to keep a look out for cops all the time, I always slow down whenever I see any white sedan oncoming just to be safe! It's hard to make up excuses when you blast past a police car going the opposite way when you're doing 150mph hehe
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project
A:
Norm, my posts are being deleted. Hopefully this one won't be, but freedom of reasonable speech is limited apparently.
A:
> Yeah, 1995 THAT'S the YEAR CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS REPEALED
> THE HATED 55 MPH NATIONAL SPEED LIMIT!!
>
> http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa346.pdf
>
> I haven't found the vote totals yet, but when I do ,who wants to bet the > LIBERAL DEMS were the ones that voted NO in overwhelming numbers?
That is how you judge which politicians care most about your freedom, by seeing which ones let you drive the fastest? In that case, vote for me, I'd let you drive 80 in a school zone (but I'd make you pay 50% of your salary to Osama's Homo-bortion Jizzporium).
Just to make you think, its Republicans who always vote overwhelmingly to make flag-burning illegal. Yeah, that's "freedom."
> Note that lack of religion and morals will lead one to kill a young girl in a
> river.....just ask the LIBERAL POSTER CHILD Ted Kennedy
It is not that morality is "relative," I do think that there are things which are "right" and things which are "wrong." On the other hand, I damn well know that nobody, no clergyman, no politician, has any better idea what actually is right and wrong than the rest of us.
Besides, Laura Bush also killed someone with her car.
A:
Well since this thread is ABOUT speeding and cops and NOT all the other social stuff then yes the CONSERVITIVE Republicans of 10 years ago have a better record than the same LIBERAL DEMS who still serve today.
Oh and Laura had a TRAFFIC accident at 17 years old!!! That DOES not even compare!!! sheesh
But to put your conspiracy theories to rest here is snopes take on it.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp
BTW Laura wasn't drunk like TEDDY BOY who decided to kill his pregnant girlfriend by allowing her to drown and not bothering to report the accident to authorities for 4 hours.
-----------------------------------------
12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
A:
actually the thread was just about cops in the title. this particular instance there was no speeding at all (yea can you believe that).
of course i just came back from 3 great races and i was speeding a little bit but no cops within 3 miles according to our scanners..it was a very good night and headed out now again for some more fun.
Post Edited (Nov 18, 10:44pm)
A:
Just to make you think, its Republicans who always vote overwhelmingly to make flag-burning illegal. Yeah, that's "freedom."
Oh yeah? well wait a few more years.....the LIBERALS will get their way and anyone burning a QUEER RAINBOW FLAG will considered guilty of a HATE CRIME and people like you will agree and celebrate while the US FLAG burns in the street.
AT THE RATE THIS COUNTRY IS GOING IT WILL HAPPEN!!!!!!
-----------------------------------------
12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
A:
Be careful Briann. They had a sting operation agianst prearranged street racers here in Charlotte with hidden cameras over a course of 4 months and people are now losing their rides left and right!!
Might not want to race someone if you guys don't know them too well!!
-----------------------------------------
12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
ZCAR.COM member since Aug 1998
A:
From getting booked to politics. Randomness!
I like icecream...
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project