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Post Edited (Oct 9, 11:37pm)
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sorry...that is my other SN i made not too long ago...this is my post.
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just tell the judge you were afriad your car was going to catch fire again and needed to get home to hose it down.
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hmmm...might work...but the only reason it was on fire before is cause some ****heads stole it and set it on fire!
i've never had a ticket i didn't have to sign.....
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So tell the judge you were running from some people that wanted to steal it and light it on fire.......
Do i need to post the carnage pics from the last time?
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1990 2+2(For sale soon)
1991 TT(parts for sale)
1993 NA(parts for sale)
1993 Convertible(Converted TT)
1996 TT(with 9,124 miles on it)
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It is against the law for a cop to "hide" and radar as thats called entrapment and they cannot do that period. he has to be in plain sight as you approach him as he is radaring. i suggest you go back when hes doing it again and take some pictures or even better video to show the judge. thats just pure BS he is doing that.
you can also go to the pd de[partment and ask for a traffic survey where he was giving speeding tickets. they have to show you and give you a printout of the traffic survey where he was radaring (and if they tell you they dont have one that BS and the judge will dismiss just on that). if they do have the traffic survey which im sure they do if you saw him giving other tickets there and you can show the majority of the people are traveling within a certain mph OVER the posted speed limit the judge can dismiss it.
ive gotten out of dozens of speeding tickets and exhibition tickets because i know alot of the codes and laws and can defend myself in front of the cop and judge and get em dismissed because of loopholes.
Post Edited (Sep 25, 11:58pm)
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i tried draw a little pic of how it was...you couldn't see the bike...and he was squattin behind the rear tire of the bike shootin out from around the side, the bike was hidden...but part of his head and the gun was along the edge of the fence..just enough for him to shoot down along the edge of the fence to catch traffic coming......definately wasn't clear view...but if you were looking right along the edfe of the fence at the right time...about 2 feet off the ground...you might have seen part of him or maybe the radar gun.
Post Edited (Sep 26, 12:16am)
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>It is against the law for a cop to "hide" and radar as thats called entrapment and they cannot do that period.
Are you serious? That's hilarious! Here in Australia they can be parked in unmarked cars hidden in the bushes and everything! You might want to confirm that law, I seriously doubt they have to be in plain view otherwise nobody would get a ticket.
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How does a traffic survey that shows everyone is speeding show that you are not guilty?
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me? i didn't conduct a survey, i was just going along with the flow, my basic question was about the ticket...i'm not a habitual speeder, rarely go over, and had no idea it was that far off, i never said i wasn't speeding...i saw the speedometer and observed the cars around me and that's how i arrived at the speed at which i was traveling. obviously i was going over the speed limit or he wouldn't have pulled me over...did i say i wasn't guilty? i'm just shocked at this overall approach the cops in this area take...who the **** jumps out in front of a car moving down the road at 46 mph?
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Thats the same here in New Zealand.
They have to be marked or outlined because it is classed as an Ocupation and safety hazard. By law they can't be physically hidden away like that.
We have stationary speed cameras in the back of umarked vans and cars so they get around that one pretty good.
Lol they now have just introduced the Taser Gun eeeeeeek! The bastards here will have fun with them I bet!
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Post Edited (Sep 26, 12:35am)
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ahhh...i did't know brian edited his post..i see what you are saying now z32dood
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get on the internet and look up traffic surveys and how they affect writing speeding tickets. my wife has even gotten out of a ticket after a traffic survey was done and she was going 36 in a 25. you just gotta know how to manipulate the laws. you got em on the hiding anyway, so if it was me id be out of the ticket just on that.
for all others that dont believe, just pay your tickets like the average joe schmo...LOL
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That sucks! That's so not fair lol In Australia they can hide all they want, and some of them hide in really tricky spots and when you see them it's WAY too late.
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Here is the law thats on pretty much every states books:
"Basic Speed Law - VC 22350
Driving at a speed that is Not Safe for Conditions, due to weather, traffic, pedestrians, lighting, road conditions, et cetera.
However, the Use of Radar or Laser by a Police Officer is Illegal - unless a Valid Engineering and Traffic Survey is on file, which justifies the "Posted Speed" Limit. Generally, these Traffic Surveys are inadequate and the cases are dismissed."
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The key is to know the restrictions, find the one or two that the city did not comply with, and then point them out to the court. Legally, the court then has no choice but to dismiss your ticket.
1) The location where the police intend to write tickets, must first have an engineering study (sometimes called a speed survey, speed study, or traffic survey) done to calculate the mandatory speed limit. Unless they have engineering justification, only this mandatory speed limit can be posted and enforced.
2) The officer who issued the traffic ticket, may (in some locations) bring the speed survey to court with him/her. The citizen should get a copy of the survey and find all errors. There are five main errors and one of them is found in almost every survey.
3) The study must be current (it must have been done within 5 years of the date of your citation).
4) The posted speed must be within 5mph of the average drivers speed during the speed study. For instance, if the speed study shows that the average speed driven on a road is 41 mph, then the posted speed must be 45mph (41mph rounded up to the nearest 5mph or 45mph). The speed can only be rounded up. Many speeding tickets will fall to this one.
5) The study must have been conducted in substantially the same area and conditions as the location later used for radar enforcement. It is a common tactic by a city, to conduct the survey in an area that is somewhat different in conditions than the area that will later be used for radar ticket enforcement. For instance, if the study was done on the up side of a hill or rise, or just before, during or after a curve, or slightly before, or after an intersection with a stop sign or signal, the study is invalid because all these conditions will slow traffic and give a falsely low vehicle speed average on the study. Believe it or not, in many cities over 75% of all posted speed limits qualify as illegal speed traps based on this mandatory regulation.
Later when radar or other speed measurement is used by the police, an officer will, of course, seek out the part of the same street where vehicles travel the fastest, such as the down side of a hill, or straightaway, or a stretch of road where there are no stop signs signals or intersections. This makes it appear as if the ticketed drivers were speeding compared to the survey, when in fact they were not. This one will "Kill" almost all tickets that do not fall to one of the other survey flaws. If this type of discrepancy exists, the ticket must be dismissed. To prove that the flaws listed in 5) do not exist, the study must show the exact location of the road, such as address, hundred block and, very important, which side of the road the study was conducted on. If it does not (remember that you are innocent until proven guilty), it is the officer who wrote the ticket who must prove the study was properly done. If he can't even tell the judge where the survey was done in relation to the variety of conditions listed in 5), then the court must assume the study was done in a section of the road where the traffic might slow for one of the listed conditions, and give a falsely low "average speed". This makes the study invalid, and your ticket must be dismissed. Of course you must know when and how to make an objection.
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The study must have been conducted or supervised by a traffic engineer with a legitimate engineering degree. In some areas, the surveys are not done, or are done by the police. Talk about the fox in charge of the henhouse. This is completely illegal and grounds for dismissal.
Remember, speed traps are illegal as well as hiding behind obstacles to radar. A speed trap is any location where the speed is not legally determined or has been reduced below the speed of the average driving public. If an officer can sit and write tickets all day long (almost all radar sites in this country), the speed limit is almost certainly posted improperly. Proving this is fairly simple with the right information and reference tools. Highway and freeway tickets are beaten on a somewhat different basis, but use many of the same references and case law.
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What about when a cop "paces" you, how can that be verified? Especially when the cop was off duty.
Dave
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You guys have some whacky speed laws... Here if not signed, then you HAVE to go 50kmph no matter what!
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if an off duty cop paces you and gives you a ticket or calls for a on duty LEO to give you one, then hes got a hair up hiss azz or you pissed him off big time. if you have the time and patience you can research any ticket circumstances and if you get the right details and such you can fight it and win, but almost all judges err with the cops on their stories of what happenned if its not a radar ticket (such as pacing).
the thing thing to remember is most cops are dickheads and got a chip on their shoulder. they deal day in and day out with bullsh** and the run of the mill retards of society. you have your best shot of getting out of the ticket before he writes it if you know some basic questions to ask him and confront him with the particular surroundings and such and why he stopped you.
if a cop is having a bad day or hes down on tickets your screwed. remember to ALWAYS go to court even if you have no valid case as you have a 50/50 chance the cop wont show and even if he does the judge will in almost every case lower the fine.
Post Edited (Sep 26, 3:32am)
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I'll personally pay a fine before going to court, but that's just me.
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thats how i am now, its easier to just pay the fine than go through all the bs of fighting it with technicalities, but some people cant afford to have it on their record. ill still go to court on the chance the cop wont show though. heck traffic school is online now and thats a piece of cake.
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I actually get my lisence back tomorrow after a 3 month holiday from driving haha What's worse is that during my lisence suspension it's given me time to make even more performance modifications. Now I just have to learn to keep a sharper eye out for speed cameras lol
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"sunddenly ahead i see a guy jump out into the middle of the damn road..."
At that point, they HAD you already.
"and then i get a litle closer and it's a cop."
Cops stand in traffic all the time and wave people to stop all the time
"he tells me i was doing 46 in a 35...i said i was watching and wasn't going near that fast..."
Basically it's a calibrated radar against what you feel you were doing.
"... so anyway my insurance card just expired and i hadn't printed my new one off from esurance...so i got a summons to court. "
Another DUH moment. Driving without insurance and another excuse to go along with it.
"i didn't sign anything, doesn't have any fees anywhere on the paper..."
Don't worry, simple traffic stops and simple offenses are just as vaid without the need for you to sign something. Redlight cameras simplify it even further and just mail you a ticket.
"..he seemed anxious to get back behind his bike to hide and pull people over...so i didn't get to ask questions."
It's a simple ticket, what did you want the officer to explain to you?
"can't this be easily deferred?'
To be honest, you're probably screwed. The REASON they were there is probably because people drive over the ridiculously slow 35mph limit all the time without thinking about it. Reason being is that a 4 lane divided road is USUALLY 45mph so that is what people drive on them without thinking. Admitting to the cop that you had no idea what your wheel/speedo combo would give and the fact that you did not have proof of insurance does not help your case. Pay the fine and chalk it up to a life lesson to drive responsibly.
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Briann....where does one find these "traffic studies"?
Thanks, Jim
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If you just pay the ticket, you are admitting guilt, then it goes on your record. Best thing is to keep it off.
Couple of things to look at in the first example:
1) Proof of insurance. This will be a fix-it ticket since you had insurance, you just could not prove it at the time. Copy of current insurance at the time of citation will make this moot. I bet you don't let this one catch you again!
2) Speeding. Oversized tires on an SUV will throw your speedo off. You should be able to get this treated as a fix-it ticket as well. You need to show that you were unaware that the larger tires would have a negative impact on the speedo reading. You truly felt you were obeying the speed limit. You will need to change the gearing to accomodate the larger tires or have your speedo recalibrated. Show you did either of these to fix the problem and they would most likely dismiss. Go to the Miata tire size page and put in what was stock, what you have now, print the results so you have evidence of what went wrong. The more documentation you have to argue your case, the less likely the prosecuter will want to deal with you.
Traffic fines are a revenue generator. If you approach them with all sorts of evidence and show you are going to tie up their time, that will interfer with their plans to earn a quick buck and they will most likely toss the charges so they can keep the machine rolling forward without delay.
As for hiding and the use of unmarked cars in US. You better check local laws before trying to argue this one. Calif is much different than other parts of the country. When I lived there, there were stretches of interstate that the Highway Patrol was not allowed to use radar. I believe that has now changed.
In Indiana, the police routinely "hide" over hill crests or around blind corners. I've seen the same in OH, KY, TN, GA, SC, NC, FL, CO, KS, MO and many, many other states. All using some form of Radar, Laser, Pacing, Airplanes, and VASCAR.
Two words...Radar Detector. Not fool-proof, but better than nothing.
Disclaimer...I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV.
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LOL, the cops was NOT hiding.
His bike was simply parked at the intersection.
Just because it took YOU a while to see HIM (and then identify him as a cop) does not alter the fact that he was simply parked on a public road in broad daylight.
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pound: traffic surveys are available at the local PD of whatever area you want to research it on. They usually have the books under the front counters listed by street names or general areas and usually will gladly let you look at them or make copies sometimes. You will also find their calibration records in same books for their radar guns.
traffic surveys are conducted quite often, especially if a great number of tickets are given on a certain stretch of road.
I know in our area last year probably a dozen streets had the mph raised 5-10 mph higher and one area had them lowered 10 mph. just depends on traffic patterns, accidents or what not.
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Agree on the point that laws are different in terms of what cops can do or not.
In Minnesota the law was changed when I was much younger to require cops to have their parking lights on if they were going to be sitting using their radar gun. But in Iowa to this day, they don't have to have them on. I've just learned their favorite spots and look for that reflective front plate. But then I've adopted another really good tool for avoiding tickets... it's not illegal, it doesn't cost anything (except time but saves on gas mileage) -- I don't speed. It just ain't worth it.
So to answer your question, I'd check local laws before going down the path of challenging whether or not it was a trap.
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Post Edited (Sep 26, 10:57am)
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In NC the troopers sit behind bridge supports with lights off completely out of sight - until you've gone by them, which is when they are clocking you. I'd bet most of the time people don't even see them.
They hide in the woods off the road with no lights in total darkness.
They drive totally unmarked cars like intrepids with normal tags you won't know its a cop until you get the strobes.
I'll have to look into this "law" in NC and see how true it holds. That would be an easy way out in a lot of cases around here.
This is like saying an undercover cop can't make a bust, because he didn't present himself as a cop or show up in uniform - kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it?
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man...my main question was has anyone gotten a ticket like this deferred?
i find it really odd that an officer would jump out in the middle of the road with other cars within close range...just for a minor infraction, he could have created a lot more problems with a stunt like that....it'snot like i was half a mile up the road, but more a few hundred feet.
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speeding tickets suck and no matter how careful you are you can get one....but I don't think anyone on this board can argue the fact that there are some really stupid dangerous drivers out there..and there ARE speed traps just set up to take your money..public safety is irrelevant..unfortunately people just keep bein stupid and folks like bama and the rest of us with common sense sometimes get a stick in the eye...I got a ticket for not having a "town sticker" on my truck...talk about somethin that will piss you off...
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That's the point, bama16.
It's 35mph SO YOU CAN STOP if someone jumps out in the middle of the road without warning. It looks like a residential area so speeds were lowered below normal just for that reason. The speed limit is preciely for that reason, limited visibility and/or chance not seeing pedestrians.
If he can prove the police radar is inacurate and can prove that he had insurance then he's off the hook.........
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go talk to an attorney...see what they have to say..seems like the cops do pretty much what they want anymore however...
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So if one were to run an officers azz over like that i suppose the driver would be charged instead of the dumbazz officer jumping out in traffic?
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i have proof...just didn't print out the new card...mine just ended mid month.
i'm not saying that the speed limit didn't make sense and one SHOULD be able to stop for such situations, but to intentionally create the situation is a little beyond me...why not hide behind the wall and radio ahead and have me pulled over in a safer area? all i could see was a man run out into the middle of the road like a fool, and to know he did this on purpose with multiple cars coming at a known to him faster rate of speed than normal...beyond me.
Post Edited (Sep 26, 8:25am)
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Of course Cops giving tickets is creating a "situation" (but cops enforcing the law always create situations like rubernecks, etc.). Cops making traffic stops is a normal part of driving.
Of course cops stop cars on purpose (as your citation states clearly the purpose was). Don't pull that "other cars were faster" crap when you clearly said up front that you were first a the other cars were maintaining the same distance (and stayed behind you).
Jeeeze, you can't even make up your mind if you thinks cops "trapped" you or if they need to hide better and then radio ahead.
This is simple.
Pay the fine for your inatention to details (and letting things get beyond you) or prove their radar wrong.
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Hybrid -
Not only do you have flawed logic but also have trouble comprehending what you read. With your attitude, it is more you chose to misread what is not there to excessively and compulsively prove to one and all that you are right.
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hahaha, stuff like this can be found all day long around here....keep preachin man...cause you are the ONLY person around who thinks you are EVER right....
i never said i wasn't speeding and i didn't claim to have a current card in the car....i'm glad i stated that in my initial post and you think you are such a brain that you were able to pick up on that. good job!
but in the end...i will be in and out of court in about an hour and then happily on my way....but you will always be a self absorbed person who actually knows nothing, but will continually believe that your lack of prosperous relationships is due to the fact that other people have all the issues.
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NC has it pretty well covered for traffic laws. QUOTE:
sec. 20-141. Speed restrictions
(a) No person shall drive a vehicle on a highway or in a public vehicular area at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the conditions then existing.
(b) Except as otherwise provided in this Chapter, it shall be unlawful to operate a vehicle in excess of the following speeds:
(1) Thirty-five miles per hour inside municipal corporate limits for all vehicles.
(2) Fifty-five miles per hour outside municipal corporate limits for all vehicles, except on rural Interstate Highways where the speed limit has been raised pursuant to G.S. 20-141(d)(2), and except for school buses and school activity buses.
Basically it means if you're in the city, unless it's otherwise posted, you can't go over 35. Outside of the city, you can't go over 55. It later goes on to say that the speed limit may not be raised over 55 MPH anywhere, unless on a DOT interstate highway and determine upon the basis of an engineering and traffic investigation that it is safe and prudent. We don't have any loop holes. I've checked.
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"i never said i wasn't speeding"
Then just pay the ticket.
Hell, just mail it in a check and you will save everyones time and trouble.
Am I missing something here?
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that might be an option of i knew what the fees were...they aren't written anywhere on there...every other ticket i've ever had there were the fees involved with the citation, this has no dollar amount written anywhere on the paper...front or back. that was another reason i posted it...
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Not one to want to get in the middle of an arguement, but the initial posting stated, and I quote, "my speedo said i was just about 35...it was actually at 38ish. and then i tell him i just installed these new tires (32/11.50/15) on my xterra in place of my old 31 and that i thougt it might throw it off a little" Please note that he stated the speed limit was 35. Sure looks like an error was happening somewhere. Now read again what was said and it all was very clearly stated.
He said he thought he was driving the speed limit, but due to a larger tires on his SUV, he was going faster than the speedo said. Intent was to be lawful. By proving that the tires do indeed result in an error reading on the speedo and by taking the necessary steps to fix it, this ticket will more than likely be dismissed. It would be unwise to simply pay the ticket and plead guilty.
Second point on the insurance card. He was foolish/lazy to not have printed a current one off. Still, insurance was had, thus legal compliance. Just not in compliance with having proof in the vehicle. This is a fix-it ticket thus no need to just pay the ticket which equates to a guilty plea. That would be unwise.
I see solid ground to argue both charges and have the entire mess dismissed or fines/charges reduced. If you show that you fixed the errors, I would expect dismissal.
With all that said, I'm done with this. Time to go outside and be in the sunshine and get awya from this keyboard. Better yet, I'm going for a cruize in the Z.
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I've never gotten a ticket I didn't deserve...so I paid them. I did bargain over the phone and had them changed so they weren't moving violations tho.
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bargain over the phone? you got "phone court" in your area James?....lol
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I have had them completly dismissed over the phone too. Talked to the prosecuting attorney and explained my side. He was happy to work with me and not waste the court's and my time.
Also, noticed that the officer did not write in the posted speed limit??? Curious???
I had one write in the wrong speed limit once and had it thown out for that. Don't know what not writing it at all would do though.
Good Luck!!!
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We all make mistakes - we all get forgetful - we are all human:
even Hybrid.
The point is: if you think you are right - new tires misreading speedo - then get it on paper - check what the speedo is actualy reading against what the speed really is.
Take proof to court.
The cop may not show up and can't argue the case.
The assit. DA may not think it's worth it - if you have some proof to your side that there is reasonable doubt.
Now -
How big is Littleton, Co.?
Many small towns make their budget by speed traps and over zealous enforcement. Texas has many notorious places.
Give it a go - there is nothing more rewarding than winning a self righteous rant - ask Hybrid.
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As Burleigh said...talk to the prosecuting attorney...Its amazing what can be done over the phone
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Yeah, that's good advice...
Be sure to do whatever 'The Man' tells you whether you agree or not.
He feels he made an honest mistake with the new tires mis-calculating his speed.
He is not a detrament (sp?) to society and has every right to try and fight the ticket.
Sorry you had to wait in line Hybrid, but total compliance is not the answer either.
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"He feels he made an honest mistake with the new tires mis-calculating his speed."
So pay the honest fine for that honest mistake.
Why bring in a DA, a lawer and waste court time? That cost US money to save HIM money for HIS mistake.
Making society pay so you he can try to save a buck is selfish. Selfishness does not "help" society. Balling up the court system instead of just paying for what he freely admits to does not "help" society.
There is no honor in whining like a kid. Just pay the fine like a man and move on.
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If you've talked to a DA, he knows what it will cost, just pay it, no contest.
Take defensive driving and your insurance will not change.
Like I said, NO NEED to make it harder than it needs to be.
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the back of the ticket says "DO NOT CONTACT the violations bureau or the court clerk for information concerning the amount of the the fine before 20 days from the date of issue."
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Correct:
YOUR ticket is probably not recorded at the COURT yet, no sense contacting the court to track down #T-997753 since it's not over there yet. Just cool your heals for 20 days and then they can reference it.
Wrong,
fine amouts per infraction are open records. If you want to know what it will cost today, just call them. It's a general question they have to answer.
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Cop didn't fill out what the speed zone was where he pulled you over... just says you were going 46 mph.
Looks like you just have to show up to prove you have insurance and thats it. They just want to make sure you aren't driving uninsured.