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so i got a ride in my friends TT LT1 camero today---
all i have to say is wow...he is only running 19 degees of timing, and 14psi of boost.
i watched the needle go from 30mph to over 100 in literally 3 seconds. he is running megasquirt, and its not tuned 100% yet so it bogs out a little when you hammer it. the car is insane. hes going for the US record of highest horspower Lt1 camero or something like that. the car ran a mid 9second 1/4 but once he gets slicks and a good rear end and a good tranny, he will hit the 8's he said...
heres a pic of the engine. he made the headers himself....
yeah, the car is SIIICKKK.
he keeps saying we should turbo my Z, and he will help make the custom exhaust headers for it---i dont know, it sounds tempting. but he doesnt understand a good set of forged pistons is like $600 something bucks. he paid like $50 per piston for his forged bottom end.
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Uhhh.. $50x8=$400
Why is $600 for your pistons so out of line?
Unless you plan to run more than about 12psi, you don't really need forged pistons if you're fuel management is dialed in.
72 WooHoo!! In good shape too...
72 Rolling Chassis (RB or LS1?)
80 NA SCCA ST2/CP (Car + Tree = Dead)
82 NA 3.0L the rust monster got it
82 ZXT 3.1L, 25psi! Hit in the right rear. ;(
83 parts car
92 TT Sold! ;(
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its not out of line, its just more---he thought they would be cheap--but a fully forged bottom end of an L28 is a lot more than a lt1 forged bottom end :-)
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Hmm an American car in America, cheaper for parts than a Japanese car in America? Gee I wonder why? :P
Pics are no good of that motor, I wanna see it fire up! :)
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Post Edited (Sep 18, 12:28am)
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ohh believe me, you dont want to see it fire up, you want to hear it. ive never heard an engine sound like it before- it just---
well---
it sounds scary. hes going to time it to 25 degrees tomorrow and let me drive it :-) i cant wait.
i just couldnt believe watching the needle. the RPM guage pegs out in half a second, and the needle just literally jumps. its THAT fast from like 30mph...
he never did launch with me in it---just did runs from a roll...and the interstate on ramp?
lets just say double the speed limit on I-16 in the country side of GA...THAT quick.
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Too bad he mounted those turbos up front. If he was going for that record he would have mounted everything in back for that extra weight over the rear wheels for better traction and made more useable hp with alot less heat under the hood as well. must of been on fast ride. he have an auto or manual tranny in that?
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Too bad he mounted those turbos up front. If he was going for that record he would have mounted everything in back for that extra weight over the rear wheels for better traction and made more useable hp with alot less heat under the hood as well. must of been on fast ride. he have an auto or manual tranny in that?
And you dont need no custom header for your Z if you turbo it. run a rear mounted turbo and run whatever header you want without hacking it up to mount a turbo to it. Ive been talking to STS about using our 240z as a test mule for a universal rear turbo.
Post Edited (Sep 18, 5:32am)
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but a fully forged bottom end of an L28 is a lot more than a lt1 forged bottom end :-)
The only thing in the bottom end of an L28 that is NOT forged from the factory is the pistons. Gawd I wish people would do the research before they spout out BS.
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Hey Brian those cars are so tight maybe he didn't have the room to get the Turbos mounted in the rear. Plus it looks cooler and I'm sure it's easier to service with them up front.
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"but a fully forged bottom end of an L28 is a lot more than a lt1 forged bottom end"
Whaaaaa?
Dude, the only component for a Nissan L28 that you need to buy is pistons.
Depending on the Chevy you source your donor engine from, you may need to buy Pistons, Crank, and in some cases RODS as well as they are all cast components.
Chances are good on many engines it's at least the Crank and Pistons...
Where do you come up with this stuff.
But I agree, you should buy a Camaro, there are lots of LT1 and F-Body Boards for you to cruise. And they are all 2+2's so there's no predjuice there in Camaroland.
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yes, put it in the rear....
That would fit li'l buddy to a "T"!
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Oh man, STS turbo systems are a joke, its BTU's that make turbos work, not velocity of the air, DOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. The expansion of gasses is what makes that turbo SPOOOOL. By the time the exhuast gasses get to the rear of the car, you have lost probably 50 percent of the usable BTU's. It is BY FAR a efficiant turbo system. I could go one, but I hope you guys see how that works. Tony knows what im talking about for sure.
Lots of Z cars, 1970's-1983's.
1977, Megasquirt, 12.8@ 105, 1.70 60 Foot, 2940 LBS. Blake Machine Co, Phx, AZ http://bandmzcars.com http://blakemachineprojects.com http://www.zselect.com
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The first Squire kit I saw on the mainstream market used coated exhaust piping if I'm not mistaken. That would cut back on the heat loss before the turbo. Supposedly all that should need to be done to bring it up to par is dial up the boost a little.
1 fast Z makes a good point about losing e.g.v. before it ever reaches the turbo, but this is also a blessing in disguise; lower turbo temps. The loss in gas velocity isn't going to matter when the boost is dialed up a bit and coupled with a properly resized turbine which would more than make up for the now slower spin of a "normal" turbo.
Another point to consider along with the lower housing temp. is the length of the intake tubing... becoming it's own intercooler. Less restrictive than an A2A IC, but similarly effective.
It's not about this system being more efficient than a normal turbo system... the articles never claim that. It's about keeping the system out of sight, and/or putting a turbo on a vehicle that otherwise wouldn't be able to fit one under the hood.
Well?? Am I off my rocker, or did I pay good enough attention to that article I read about 8 months ago?
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N/A '81 280zx - project car
Flat tops, MN47 head w/port & polish, 480 270/270 cpm
--and a really sh**ty fuel system
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yeah, his set of forged pistons costed him i think he said $400 flat??
ones for our cars are what, $200 more than that?
thats a lot of money to us college students, maybe not you guys that pull in over $50k a year :-/
his bottom end is basically stock other than his forged pistons...stock bolts, except for head bolts i think he said...those are ARP...
heres some more shots of the cars engine :
here is his roomates 355 in his old vette:
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Hey Bubbles check this out!
I'm trying to convince a friend of mine to go with this if it will fit in his 91.
He bought a IROK engine and is going to go completely through it so what the hell ya know.
you can buy just the turbo setup or you can buy crate engines from Banks. I'm trying to talk him into doing the turbo package.
It's pretty spendy, but I have some friends at Banks. It will still be expensive.
http://www.bankspower.com/twin-turbo-products.cfm
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Yes I guess the STS systems are a joke running on 8 second cars with no intercooler. I hate it when companies sell an inferior product or design!
Post Edited (Sep 18, 1:27pm)
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those sons of bitches..
STS.. pssh what were they thinking
F54/P90a w Megasquirt and a Holset Hy35W
3" hand made exhuast, Large NPR intercooler, big injectors, Tokico Illuminas, Arizona Z Springs, BIG sway bars, Innovate Wideband
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You can buy the Banks system with up to 1100 HP out of the box. You also get cast iron mani's so the supports are not needed like his header setup will need to be...
You can buy this as a complete motor all chromed out or just the parts... But you know it will fit and no chasing down little parts. Plus you can do it in a weekend.......
Much cleaner looking BTY...
Here is some details on the build...
Engine Block
The 4.125" bore custom block is built to Banks' specs by Dart. It is cast from a high nickel alloy and is equipped with splayed main caps and ARP head studs for superior strength.
Cylinder Heads
The head design evolved after many hours of research on the part of the Banks Race Shop. The result is the optimum 23° aluminum head for use with the Banks Twin Turbo System. It features custom CNC ported intake and exhaust ports as well as a unique combustion chamber. The heads house 2.08"/1.65" Severe Duty Valves, Banks 1.550" double valve springs and 10° Chrome-moly retainers. This unique combination promotes maximum power output while providing optimum durability.
Crankshaft
A 3.425" stroke crankshaft is the heart of the 6.0L/366ci Turbo engine. Cut from a non-twisted 4340 forging and precision balanced to our specs, it is designed for power levels well in excess of 1100HP. Chosen for its superior quality, strength and durability, it will provide a lifetime of trouble-free use even in the most extreme environments. An ATI Harmonic Balancer controls torsional vibrations.
Pistons and Rods
Years of race engine building experience has resulted in the optimum performance design for turbocharged applications. The Banks forged pistons are custom machined to provide the 8.4–1 Compression Ratio needed to optimize street and strip performance as well as the necessary valve clearance. They feature a 1/16, 1/16, 3/16" ring pack, which is uniquely located for better sealing and longer ring life. Connecting rods are 4340 Forged H-beam rods with ARP 7/16" rod bolts, chosen for their remarkable strength, light weight and durability.
Camshaft and Rockers
The Banks turbo engine uses a solid roller Comp Cam with a Banks custom lobe design. The lightweight lifters actuate custom length 5/16 " pushrods as well as the Jesel Shaft-mounted Roller Rockers. The camshaft is custom ground to maximize cylinder head design.
Induction
The massive amount of air needed to make 800HP is fed to the engine via a Banks-designed pressure chamber with an integral shuttle valve and a billet throttle body. Both sit atop an Accel Pro-Ram manifold, which is CNC port matched to fit our heads. The high port runners optimize air movement and help broaden the torque curve.
Fuel and Spark
Fuel Injection and spark management is provided by Accel DFI. Their proven system, combined with the thousands of hours logged on the Banks dynamometers plus on-the-road testing, has resulted in a truly solid calibration, which works equally well with manual or automatic transmissions. Idle quality, drivability, mileage, and wide-open throttle have all been addressed with this sealed calibration. The calibration is designed to provide safe fuel and spark management with a minimum of 91 octane fuel for everyday driving, and 100 octane fuel for maximum boost situations.
Exhaust Manifolds
These compact, high-flow manifolds were designed by Banks for the ultimate in fit and long-term durability. Their unique design resists cracking and distortion while providing the best turbo and wastegate placement for ease of installation.
Wastegates
The Banks BigHead® Wastegates are designed for a flat boost curve resulting in an awesome power transition. The high-gain actuator allows for quicker spool-up and less boost creep. The stainless steel body withstands the high temperatures, ensuring a long and reliable service life.
Turbochargers
The high-flow turbochargers, built by Banks to our own strict specifications for optimum performance, deliver outstanding power from their compact frames. With our precision-balanced inconel turbine wheel and shaft assembly, the assurance of durability and reliability is never in question. Driving is a smooth, pulse-pounding power fest that gives you the "nailed back in your seat" thrill you'd expect from Banks. The efficiency of our compressor design helps to reduce inlet air temperatures to acceptable levels, eliminating the need for an intercooler.
Front Accessory Drive
The compact design of the CNC’d billet aluminum front accessory drive aids with the installation of the Banks Twin Turbo engine into many vehicles. A single serpentine belt drives a high output alternator, AC compressor, high-volume water pump and power steering pump. Billet pulleys complement the high-tech look of this system.
Final Testing
Each Banks Twin Turbo Engine is tested in our dyno cell for one hour, following a proven automated break-in procedure. After valve lash checks, leak-down and compression tests are taken, the engine is given a number of full throttle power runs to verify performance. This assures that each engine is performing to the high standards of excellence set by Gale Banks Engineering.
Packaging
When customers receive the Banks Twin-Turbo Engine, it includes an engine wiring harness, which they can customize to their application. Included with the engine are exhaust flanges, wastegate flanges, pressure regulator, and fuel pump. An owner’s manual, installation instructions, and dyno sheets are also supplied with the package. Gale Banks Engineering will also work with the customer to create that perfect look for their application. Polishing, chrome plating, anodizing and color coordination can all be worked out to create the desired finished product.
77 280Z with SBC, 700R4, Vette C4 IRS W/11.5 rear disk, Centerlines 16x9.5 W/BF G 245x45ZR Comp T/A Rear and 15x7 Ft W/BF Goodrich Euro 225x15 on ft. Soon to have Coleman 12.2x1.25, x-drilled, zinc plated, Rotors W/Billet Outlaw 4000. Z U V8ter
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How much Cyind?
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that's all well and good, but all that power in an FBody does you no god when you come to that first corner at a track! (those things hangle like crap)
My guardian angel has twin turbos. . .
1995 Cobalt Green NA
1988 Maroon 300ZX NA (sold)
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Yeah, but as soon as he hits a straight and those twin turbos kick in...BYE BYE!
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'82 280zx -- 400+hp 355 sbc / T-56
'72 240zt - T3/T4 hybrid / TEC-II / not much stock
'82 280zxt - Stock...for now
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hmm--- spend $1000's on a allready built turbo system that can support 1100HP, or:
build your own turbo system and custom build you entire engine, and have a capable 1400 HP??
i wonder which one i would choose....
will built those headers on his own--he built everything....and didnt buy it...
THAT is called taking pride in your own work.
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"Yeah, but as soon as he hits a straight and those twin turbos kick in...BYE BYE!"
EXACTLY
That 91 was never meant to go around any corners for sure. The torque tube lifts the front end to much to keep traction. It was obviously designed for straight line launches.
Actually a single turbo from the banks kit will cost you more than 1K bubbles... But we're also talking bolt on tested and warranted up to 1100hp.
I can't by law tell you anything bad about the banks system... I signed a non-disclosure policy long time ago, but I would go with them over something I could currently fab up.
"built by Banks to our own strict specifications for optimum performance" Garret turbos, specs by Banks I beleive is what I was told. They only change I would make is use the multi point FI injection manifold from the IROK.
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Why even mess with an LT1? Im confused at the point of it.
Currently parting out 1990 300zx TT.
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Did I say it didnt work, NO. Is it perfectly efficiant, NOPE, FAR from it, PURE physics, many of us on the board understand the physical resoning behind these situations, and not need explaining. But many dont. Btu's are Btu's, thats what makes turbos spool, not velocity of air. They dont have me fooled. It may work, but far far from as efficiant as a turbo mounted as close to the head as possible. Why would you want to do such a system on a first gen z car where you have ample amount of room?
Lots of Z cars, 1970's-1983's.
1977, Megasquirt, 12.8@ 105, 1.70 60 Foot, 2940 LBS. Blake Machine Co, Phx, AZ http://bandmzcars.com http://blakemachineprojects.com http://www.zselect.com
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"I can't by law tell you anything bad about the banks system..."
Good to see someone else is pinned down by legalities. Sign the document before entering the shop floor...
Isn't it frustrating to see idiots banter about and know the answer, but be legally liable if you open your mouth and reveal sometihng you are not supposed tobe talking about?
Then, when you hint at the answer, those that are so dense as to not see the truth snipe and kick at you because you "don't reveal what you know for all to share"--and because you don't, then by inferrence you don't know anything, are full of hot air, and can't know anything about the subject... Or better yet, are called B.S.-Artist.
What's funny is when a media source confirms what you said six months to several years later, and the naysayers still refuse to acknowledge you had the 'inside scoop' those many years (or months) earlier!
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My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Yea bubbles I guess your right Chevy can't road race... NOT... Pull your head out and smell the roses... Chevy was road racing before the Z was made. They used computers to design the suspension and one of the first to do so... Not all Camero's had to run strait line...
You should learn your history before you open your mouth and insert your foot. BTW your friends header design will be his weakest link... Banks give a warranty out on that 1100 HP motor. Who said you can't break it and turn up the boost and make more then 1400 HP? But at least your friend is trying it on his own and maybe his motor will last longer then yours did!
If you take a OLD 69 Camero and put today's redesigned suspension in it along with the 0 LAG time that Banks gives you I guess the poor old Camero would just have to pull over and let the Z go by...
Let's see back in say 67 - 69 they did it the hard way...
Then what if you owned one of the COPO 9560 featuring the legendary all-aluminum ZL-1 427 also rated at 425 horsepower. Only 69 of the ZL-1s were built, and because of their rarity, tremendous output and relatively low weight, they are today considered the quickest and most valuable Camaros ever built... But I guess your Z is also worth more then 6 digits, right!
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cyind get a life-
i never said they cant road race--i said his couldnt, and even Will admitted it.
jesus.
and his headers so far has lasted 10000miles...he knows how to weld and build and LT1...
why dont YOU build an engine that can compare to his, then you can start telling him what will/wont last?
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"Chevy was road racing before the Z was made."
Sunoco Blue and Yellow.
Roger Penske/Mark Donohoe
Camaro?
Naaaaaah! No history there at all...
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"why dont YOU build an engine that can compare to his, then you can start telling him what will/wont last?"
Lil buddy, why don't YOU build an engine that lasts before you start calling in your friend's engines to start crap on the forum...
I mean, you calling someone out to build an engine that lasts is like....
Uh....
er...
let's just concentrate on building something that lasts, shall we?
Accomplish that first.
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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it has lasted??? for the amount of abuse ive given it, 15k miles so far is DAMN long!
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I guess in your world a total engine failure in 15K miles is acceptable.
Most would find that unacceptable. I know guys who are running FAR more horsepower than your little project now for almost 20 years without an engine failure.
Both Turbo and N/A.
Call back when it hits 49,286 miles without a failure.
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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we now have 15K miles on our 3.2 stroker and its going as strong as the day we put it in. It literally has had the hell raced out of it for 15K miles and have no complaints. It will easily go another 15K and probably double that or more with same harsh treatment with no worries.
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I've just rolled over 100K on my 3.0L 12:1 L28. It is normally, shifted above 7K rpm. It runs like the day it was built and still has the same compression, and even good valve seals.
15K out of a basically stock L28 is the definition of a motor built poorly.
I'm trying to figure out why you haven't gone turbo Bubbles, I mean if you want to go fast? Your gonna be limited to mid 12's at best with a professionally built N/A L Series motor that will cost twice what a comparable (hp/tq) wise turbo motor would set you back. And you already have the standalone you need. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Matt
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Yea right, bubbles with turbo, HA, PING PING PING, KABOOOOOOM, I can see it now! "Oh I thought that noise (pinging) was just part of how a motor works, HAHAHA!
Lots of Z cars, 1970's-1983's.
1977, Megasquirt, 12.8@ 105, 1.70 60 Foot, 2940 LBS. Blake Machine Co, Phx, AZ http://bandmzcars.com http://blakemachineprojects.com http://www.zselect.com
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"we now have 15K miles on our 3.2 stroker and its going as strong as the day we put it in. It literally has had the hell raced out of it for 15K miles and have no complaints. It will easily go another 15K and probably double that or more with same harsh treatment with no worries."
BANG! Case Closed!
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My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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"I've just rolled over 100K on my 3.0L 12:1 L28. It is normally, shifted above 7K rpm. It runs like the day it was built and still has the same compression, and even good valve seals."
Well, there's another.
BANG BANG! Case doubly closed!
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Post Edited (Sep 20, 4:54pm)
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funny i had a couple dozen people tell me the engine would blow within 3K miles the way we drove it.
bang bang....its not dead yet
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I can attest to the fact that you hammer that car a lot more than Bubbles ever does!
LOL
There was a saying in Japan: "Somebody builds an L-Gata, and crashes the car racing, so he gives the engine to a friend who crashes while racing, so he gives it to another friend. The L-Gata 3.0 is an engine that is indestructible!"
And in normally aspirated form, aside from a freak accident, nothing should kill that engine before 1 or 200K miles!
We had a guy in our club with a 240Z with a triple digit serial number, something like one of the first 700 or 800 produced.
Car was autocrossed, time trialed, and road raced from the time it was brand new. There was Nissan Comp items on that baby and triples from day one after the warranty ran out (1971, less than 12,000 miles) and the car was finally retired when it broke in half. The stock spotwelds holding hte unit-body together finally gave way after 150,000+ miles of continuous and unrelenting race mileage...
The engine? It was going strong, and the drivetrain was swapped into another car to continue the good fight.
Yes, the car literally fell apart from racing, but the engine never skipped a beat. AutoX weekly!
I don't think Gilligan really has a grasp on what the Z-Car (when properly assembled) is capable of doing. They just don't die. Competently assembled, that is...
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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thats all good and fine Tony ,BUT did you take pride in your work- did you come here bragging about your build and how badass your engine would be and how you (at 19 yrs old ) knew better than all the older guys who were racing when you were in diapers. " bubbles is any of this hitting home yet?"
sorry Tony for using your good name to make a point but i felt you would understand and forgive me. at least i hope so. i felt your mechanic ability and reputation were too great to take this seriously.
bubbles - when will you realize that these guys are right and your not- their motors are still running and yours isnt- HERES YOUR SIGN!!!!!
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2001 maxima
1994 F150 4x4 van works custom truck
170000 and never needed mech repairs
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That's funny ZXT!
Nah, I didn't brag on myself when I was 19. The guys who I learned from didn't take kindly to kids with big mouths, and in general you learned to keep your mouth shut and ears open to learn all you could, because there was no spooner internet (there was the ARPNET, but that was military only...) where you could garner facts and experience.
The really sad thing is that for someone committed to learning all they can the internet is a TREMENDOUS asset!
My wife's cousins are running an all-motor 10 second 1980 Malibu in Southeastern Michigan. Nobody can believe that two "kids" made that car run like that on a single four barrel (they are in their early-mid 20's now).
His answer to how he did it was "I spend 4 hours on the internet every night finding out all I can and listening to the guys who run faster than me!"
It really is a simple formula. They don't brag on their accomplishments, they take it for what it is: Fleeting Glory that can be eclipsed at any time, by anyone! They realize they are a small fish in an EXTREMELY big pond, and if they start acting like fools, there will be plenty of opportunity for others to come knock them down a peg or two very quickly!
Had the internet been extant when I was 17, I would have long since transcended mortal form, and become a massive, self-levitating BrainSac of Z-Knowledge...
LOL
Instead, all I can do is hope for the occasional tidbit of knowledge, and try to pass on what I learned long ago:
"Keep you head down, ears open, and mouth shut, and you just might learn something!"
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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I do like your inspiration and words of wisdom Tony on all avenues of thought!
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Well, I have PERSONALLY and I mean WAY more than bubbles. I have BORED my own block, Honed, it, Balenced it, fitted bearings, pistons, rods, bushed the rods for full floating wrist pins, desgned my own pistons, lightened my own pistons ported my own head, setup my own cam, ground my own valves, and seats, built my own intake, blah blah blah, I could go on forever, when I was at the same age as bubbles. My motor is a 12-1 street driven HARD car. I have 25 thousand on my motor, and I have autcrossed at drag raced at least at 12 events I can count right now. So Its HOW you build it, not WHO builds it.
Lots of Z cars, 1970's-1983's.
1977, Megasquirt, 12.8@ 105, 1.70 60 Foot, 2940 LBS. Blake Machine Co, Phx, AZ http://bandmzcars.com http://blakemachineprojects.com http://www.zselect.com
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you've allready put 25000miles on your motor you finished not 6 months ago?
really....thats interesting. you must commute a lot from your home and the machine shop ;-)
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High Performance NA L28 engine, Performance Suspension, Full Interior, 2500lbs, and room for 3 HOT girls in the car!
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13.9 @102.7 on 205mm street tires and 110 octane :-)
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Aw man lets not start a pissing match again on here....
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i need to learn how to build my own engine... i would love to brag about how good it is
73' 240z: F54 4.2L, OS Giken LY DOHC Crossflow head, 17:3comp.ratio, N33, Tripple SU's, T10 Hybrid Draw-Through TT @ 47pds, Roots&Centrifugal Type supercharger, 3-2-1 headers, Centerforce 4 clutch, 6oz flywheel, R300 differential, Super-Hicas
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6 months? Where have you been, 6 months ago is march, I was burning rubber before thanksgiving in the new motor. And I have been to cali 4 times since then, my wife used to live 44 miles away one way, and We have taken MANY trips up north, etc. Keep up bubbles, and get your crap straight, before making dumb claims.
Lots of Z cars, 1970's-1983's.
1977, Megasquirt, 12.8@ 105, 1.70 60 Foot, 2940 LBS. Blake Machine Co, Phx, AZ http://bandmzcars.com http://blakemachineprojects.com http://www.zselect.com
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man time flies---i thought your stroker was ---wait a minute!
didnt you blow up your engine at the MSA meet, THEN you built the stroker???
or was that the year before last?
man im confused.
yawn.
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High Performance NA L28 engine, Performance Suspension, Full Interior, 2500lbs, and room for 3 HOT girls in the car!
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I reved to 8900 at the msa event year 2005, I BUILT one shortly after. I think I know how much Ive driven more than you do!
Lots of Z cars, 1970's-1983's.
1977, Megasquirt, 12.8@ 105, 1.70 60 Foot, 2940 LBS. Blake Machine Co, Phx, AZ http://bandmzcars.com http://blakemachineprojects.com http://www.zselect.com
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*double yawn*
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High Performance NA L28 engine, Performance Suspension, Full Interior, 2500lbs, and room for 3 HOT girls in the car!
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"Nah, I didn't brag on myself when I was 19. The guys who I learned from didn't take kindly to kids with big mouths, and in general you learned to keep your mouth shut and ears open to learn all you could, because there was no spooner internet (there was the ARPNET, but that was military only...) where you could garner facts and experience."
The old farts that taught me would have walked away laughing had I acted like bubbles......and never taught me a thing. That's the way they treated the other youngsters in the shop. You kept your smart a$$ mouth shut, listened, and did what they told you to do....and it worked, every friggin time.
Ken
'82ZX n/a 2+2
'02 Sportster XL1200C
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Bubbles...
Yes he BLEW ( not blew but ooh well explain the difference would not work )
Because with a stock oil pan .. on a HC combo ... long right hander under high speed and revs .. mean oil starvation. The stock oil press meter doesnt show that .. but it happens.
I am not bragging how fast my car(s) are or how good or whatever .. just watch and learn...
And even if your car is the fasted .. you need to be able to drive it!
Not only 1 fast z learned that the hard way .. so did I but then again since you only drive in a straight line .. what do you know.
as for the mileage what is so weird about that .. my Mini cooper is not even two weeks old and has 2K on the odometer .. next to that brain drove to cali and even drove to the toilet there ... and dragedraced. autox every mile he could .. (on tracks)
And his car sounds good and runs nice!!!
You have an attitude problem .. given these guys are on your case .. but your merly harvesting the seed you planted with your behavior.
You can sleep in your car, but cant drive in your house
if you are fully in control, you are not driving fast enough!
79 ZXR 46K!
81 ZXT EURO 2+2
83 ZXT
All fine Fastback winnabego's
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You guys back east have absolutely no idea how much people out west drive.
When I lived 22 miles from work, I drove 26,000 miles per year, at that was on one vehicle, I put another 10K+ on the Z, and more on the Corvair! Probably 50K miles a year in my personal vehicles.
When I got a company truck, the Z and Corvair got more miles on them, and the Bus went to almost nothing (maybe 5000 a year. My company truck got 50K in a year, and I lived 30 miles form the airport (which is where I drove to mostly).
My bud in PHX works at Luke AFB, and Lives in Chandler. Like 40 miles one way every day. 400 miles a week just to get to work. Add to that another 400 miles on the average weekend, and it becomes easy to roll up miles like 26K in 6 months.
The people back east just can't fathom the west. Never have, never will.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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The engine that failed was TWO years ago, and the PISTONS failed.
We ASSUMED the engine failed on the bottom end because of the noise (ice cubes in a blender) the engine made.
I said when Bryan got the Megasquirt running, the INSTANT it fired off I asked if he had forged pistons in the engine.
he said no, and that it was a stock bottom end with flat tops.
I predicted at THAT TIME, that the pistons would be the limiting factor on the engine because of the way the thing would like to rev!
Bryan didn't argue with me about it, took it under advisement, and ran the hell out of it anyway while he built a proper bottom end to match the induction system he was using. The plan ALL ALONG was to "run to failure" then install the stroker. People who are not engineers will not understand that, but it is a valid engineering premise. Run to failure, then redesign. Problem is Li'l Buddy runs to failure, then rebuilds without listening to anything anybody tells him to be wary of when reassembling. Crank Pulley, RTV, now Bearings.... Bryan hasn't had a failure like that (Unexpected). While the moment it fails may be unpredictable, the failure WAS expected.
With Li'l Buddy, it's always "Oh, it broke!" and "I'm in a rush to make it back together so let's cut corners again!" Like welfare mothers on crack, the cycle continues!
Anyway, THERE is the difference. The engine finally went boom while tearing up the track, and coming close to fast time of the day in a Z with stock suspension! (Remember the Blue Turd? Imagine it with an engine that actually revved to 7K and had power!?!?!?!)
When it went boom, the forged bottom end went it. Bryan didn't come here bragging on the engine since it was a "stock beater thrown to gether to see what it would do." "See what it would do"---denoting a known improper combination of components run experimentally to see whn it fails. See, Bryan knew it was the wrong setup and was building a correct one, all thewhile learning the limitations of the stock components. (incidentally, the stock 150K+ stock buildup lasted about as long as Li'l Buddy's MegaBuck Buildup....who is the smart one here?)
Big difference in approach to what was in the car.
The engine with the "ice cubes in a blender" noise sits, partially disassembled, on a pallet outside Bryan's shop right now! Anyone who wants to check out what REALLY caused the noise is free to verify it, I'm sure Bryan won't mind.
We all were suprised it WASN'T bearings.
Which makes Bubbles bearing failure all the more indicative of the incompetence of the reassembly. If a stock bottom end of 150K+ miles can stand over a YEAR of beating, and then fails in an AutoCross Competition---well what does that say about one that fails in >15K with "all new components"?
But I do agree with you wholeheartedly on one thing, for sure!
"You have an attitude problem .. given these guys are on your case .. but your merly harvesting the seed you planted with your behavior."
That truely is the root of it! Like someone else once said "Too Bad He Never Realizes It!"
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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