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Looks like even the iconic Mustang can't save them this time around.
Ford to cut $5 bln in costs, third of salaried staff
Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:30am ET
DETROIT (Reuters) - Ford Motor Co., the No. 2 U.S. automaker, said on Friday it would cut annual costs by about $5 billion by the end of 2008 and reduce salaried staff by one-third, or 14,000 jobs, as part of an accelerated restructuring.
The automaker said its troubled North American auto operations would not be profitable on a full-year basis before 2009, a year later than first projected.
Ford also said it will suspend its quarterly dividend, further reduce capacity, and ramp up new product introductions.
The new plan, Ford's third restructuring in five years, replaces the initial "Way Forward" plan, which was announced in January and called for cutting up to 30,000 jobs and closing 14 plants by 2012.
Following Ford's $1.4 billion loss in the first half of the year amid declining sales of its high-margin pickup trucks and sports utility vehicles, the automaker promised a more aggressive restructuring.
The company and the United Auto Workers union said Thursday Ford is offering buyout packages to all of its 75,0000 U.S. factory workers.
Ford said the deal would accelerate by four years its previously announced target of cutting up to 30,000 factory workers. It said now the cuts would be completed by 2008.
In another reversal of recent forecasts, Ford also said it expects its U.S. market share to slide to a range of 14 percent to 15 percent from its current share of almost 17 percent.
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I was waiting for the news of the day... LOL.
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I know how you enjoy car related news Hybrid............not!! haha
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I enjoy it at the souce. 2nd hand news is not news.
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I'm not sure where Reuters got their numbers at but it wasn't from Ford. Being from Detroit I get to hear Bill Ford first hand on announcements and they are cutting 10,000 salaried job, not 14,000, and closing 2 additional plants, one in Ontario and one in Lorain OH, by 2008 on top of the 14 already announced by 2012.
The numbers on the buyouts is correct, 75,000. Amounts range from $30,000 to $140,000 and has the UAW nervous. No more guaranteed jobs. But the general feel around here with the automotive experts is that this is enough to turn Ford around by 2009 as they predict.
Like Bill Ford said, back to the core of Ford's success which is Dearborn.
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60,000 original miles
Still OEM (except for tires, fluids, and filters or course)
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It's a dog-eat-dog world out there, and I'm wearing milk bone underpants.
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14000 jobs INCLUDES the 4000 that were cut in January. I don't see anything that's not accurate. It's pretty dismal here...
Jeff
Northville, Michigan
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"The numbers on the buyouts is correct, 75,000. Amounts range from $30,000 to $140,000 and has the UAW nervous. No more guaranteed jobs."
>>>>WELCOME TO THE REST OF THE WORKING WORLD, UAW EMPLOYEES!
Like Bill Ford said, back to the core of Ford's success which is Dearborn.
>>>>This, coming from the same family of silver-spoonfed clueless idiots who once commented in the late 70's early 80's that the preponderance of Japanese Cars on the roads all over the west coast "Must be a Regional Anomaly"
"Dearborn is their Success"---yeah, pull back to your insulated world where you feel secure and safe and nobody will tell you anything but what you want to hear.
Yeah, that's a formula for success in a world market!
Talk about the blind leading the blind.
This is just another wonderful example of 90-Day Wonder MBA's panic-stricken by losses on a short-term return---while at the exact same time dxenying any strategic long-term capital investment in vehicles that will sell well in these times.
Just like Billy is saying "their success is in Dearborn"---same logic behind making a small car: "Durr, we always made big profits on trucks and big cars, we can't make a small car make enough profits per unit, so what's the sense of spending any money to develop a small car"
Regardless of the product they have available in Europe.
What a clueless bunch of twats!
At my age, I would take that buyout, pay off my house, and get a job at McDonalds to pay annual taxes...
I wonder if everybody decided to take the buyout....what would Ford do then?
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
Post Edited (Sep 15, 9:41am)
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"It's pretty dismal here..."
Let's take a stroll back in time to 1982 and take a look at the Michigan Unemployment Statistics, and the general cutbacks done in the Big Three back then.
This is another long overdue market correction to a bloated workforce that the UAW and Ford Management has been unwilling to pare down to the DEMAND of the marketplace, instead of some unrealistic pipe-dream of production numbers that WILL NEVER BE SEEN AGAIN!
It's really not that difficult to see coming, and could have (and has been) predicted since the early 90's. It's following the EXACT SAME format of the decline of the Steel Industry in the USA, with the biggest differentiation being that instead of competition from foreign imports causing lost market share (with permanently lost jobs), the loss of market share is coming form COMPETITION WITHIN THE COUNTRY. The jobs are NOT going away, they are simply SHIFTING to competitiors.
In 1980, there were about 1.2million Automaking jobs in the USA. Of those, 750,000 were in Michigan and it's environs close at hand.
Today, there are about 1.3 million Automaking jobs in the USA. Of those, Michigan has retained only about 300,000. The rest have moved SOUTH to NON-UNION shops and competitors.
More importantly, the loss of Representatives in the House will lead to more non-union lawmaking, and right-to-work laws in the states that now posess those jobs.
That is what really is getting the UAW upset. They slept same as Ford and the rest of hte Big Three, because their "Sky is Falling" predictions of Upton Sinclair Jungle Like Working Conditions in Southern Automaking Plants and the constant stream of invalids and maimed workers clamoring for Union Representation just hasn't come true.
Bummer, eh? Maybe if the laws change, people will be able to get a job in Michigan without going through the MESC. Maybe someone will be able to actually go to a shop, and apply there in person, and not pay off someone to secure a job...
Yeah, weakening the unions in Michigan won't hurt my feelings one little bit!
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
Post Edited (Sep 15, 9:51am)
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Maybe some day ford will learn that not everybody in America wants an SUV, there is a sports car market to be tapped (don't even say the mustang qualifies because it doesn't), a small car market, the hippie econo-market. There is more to life than SUVs and trucks. I'll still be glad to stand by and watch that company learn a lesson the hard way.
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What exactly does that mean, Hybrid — you call Ford yourself and talk to them?
Also interested in what you mean by "second hand news is not news." Isn't everything that Reuters, AP, NY Times, etc. produces second hand news?
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It's a "Hit Post"
Basically, Hybrid waits for Norm to post something, then posts a dig or non-productiove post to try and start an argument.
It's his basic style on just about any post he has here on the forum.
It happens a lot, people like to post to my threads as well, simply because they see they were from me, and make disparaging comments or start arguments.
It's sad, but what can you do? It's the way he is.
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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I like Ford
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Having read his "best site in the universe" I know what you say is true. But sometimes I just can't help myself. I guess 20+ years in the journalism biz makes be a bit sensitive in this area.
Great El Mirage pics, btw.
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It just always reminds me of Paul Harvey is all. You know, where the news from other news services is repeated and then comments on it are made. I was just commenting on the REALITY that it's another re-post from other on-line services and radio and TV. You know like:
1)$1.15 a gallon....now that would be nice (By Kevin G. Hall)
2) GM ups powertrain warranty to 5 years, 100,000 miles (Dale Jewett)
3)Chevron finds OIL to increase US oil reserves by 50%! (AP)
4)FINALLY some good news on gas prices (USA TODAY)
5)Woman Crashes When Teaching Dog to Drive (BEIJING)
6)Mazda to replace faulty RX-8 engines (Automotive News)
7)Real Life DEATH RACE 2000 in San Fran today (SF Chronical)
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I never wait for anyone to post and then pounce, never have, never will. Having the site up most of the day in a side window means that I usually am the first to post a reply when Norm reposts the daily news for more discussion. If Norm never started these posts, I would not reply. That's the way a forum works, right?
Though once again I'm posting a reasonable (and non-sinister) explanation to things so I expect it won't fly with some here...
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with that explanation. Actually, you could have stopped at "Paul Harvey" and I would have understood.
Now page 2: Citrical gal Florence Whipplesnockle writes . . .
'76 280Z driver, '75 parts car
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Yea,
My old man used to listen to Paul every day. I kind of got used to his style of READING the news of the day complete with "and now, page 2" when he changed pages.
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Author: Hybrid77Z
Date: Sep 15, 12:03pm
I never wait for anyone to post and then pounce, never have, never will.
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HAHAHAHA O MAN ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!
Are you sure you haven't worked for FORD the last 20 years Hybrid?? haha
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ford is badass
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USA Ford sucks, but Ford is excellent over here and make awesome cars...
http://www.fpv.com.au
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Datto you have to have the funniest signature of anyone here!!! haha
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why is my setup so funny?
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You are a funy guy Datto. Nice job of editing your 4.1 L stroker motor supercharged Turbo yada yada. You should have left it alone.
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ah i forgot what is was, leme go look at my engine
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I don't see where Ford is bad?
they are simply doing the same thing the others in the Big 3 are doing. They build decent cars, but unfortuneately they have a huge overcapacity problem as noted by Tony D. It happens a lot in mature industries that had huge booms in prior decades and now have to get rid of the excess capacity.
The only reason this hurts them significantly is that these changes should have been forcasted and started 5 years ago. I think the majority of America DOES like trucks and SUV's. I own a Ford truck that hasn't realy given me any problems, nor did the prior style ('90). They just need to shift their output from big vehicles to medium.
Make no mistake, the Big 3 were selling those "unwanted SUV's and trucks" about as fast as they could get them on the lots until gas went up. Now that we've entered into a more long-term forecast for fuel, people are able to make decisions on new car choices; as opposed to just seling your recently-bought car the day fuel prices started escalating.
Ford is not trouble IMO, just restructuring a bit. If you want to pick on GM (i am not pro-ford or chevy) that's fine, because I have a personal problem with the vehicle quality with just about every one of GM's vehicles, and that's something that can't be solved through restructuring.
My guardian angel has twin turbos. . .
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Ford needs to import its aussie/euro cars here like the crapi II HA! They do look better than the US stuff. Always.
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Agreed, or the Ford F6 Typhoon which is a monster of a car...
It's not the Ford name itself that sucks, it's the American Ford manufacturing plants that suck. A similar thing happend with the USDM Z31's that were assembled in the U.S, they were plauged with electrical and mechanical issues that didn't exist in other markets which utimlately resulted in alot of bad publicity for Nissan due to no real fault of their own, besides letting the Americans build their cars in the first place which was a bad idea lol
They either need to lay everyone off and import a bunch of workers from other countries that actually know what they're doing or just shut down the entire US division and let someone else build them entirely :P
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Post Edited (Sep 16, 7:48pm)
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Wow 300zxt, I hope you don't really believe Nissan shouldn't let Americans build their vehicles....do you realize how many new Nissans are currently made in America today???????
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"A similar thing happend with the USDM Z31's that were assembled in the U.S. ... "
I guess I gotta re-read my History o' the Z book.
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Ford has lost much of their market share; its about time they cut some jobs.
Many Honda and Toyota vehicles are built here in the United States, but they seem to know how to build them right. Its not the workforce here that's bad, its that Fords designs suck.
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I agree with 300zxt, come downunder and we have Ford XR6 Turboes not to make US people jealous but to prove a point. Some real nice Ford cars. Ford in NZ and Australia structured themselves and their vehicles to compete with the high demand of JDM vehicles faced in our market.
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>Wow 300zxt, I hope you don't really believe Nissan shouldn't let Americans build their vehicles...
I cant say about now, but I just heard of prior issues that existed in the USDM Z31's only and I was just using that as an example of poor workmanship from some U.S assembly plants in the past.
Like swampman said, it's really only Ford USA that sucks. Ford down under really have their sh!t together and make some of the quickest and most reliable cars on the road and they have done so for a LONG time.
FPV V6 Typhoon
Horsepower 366.00 BHP (269.4 KW) @ 5250.00 RPM
Torque 405.00 Ft-Lbs (549.2 NM) @ 4250.00 RPM
That's STOCK, out of the factory... A local tuning company tweaked a Ford XR6T (the model before the F6 Typhoon) and got it to pull 1000HP+ video here.
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Post Edited (Sep 17, 2:11am)
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I did not know Zs had ever been built in the U.S. What am I missing here?
"but I just heard of prior issues that existed in the USDM Z31's only and I was just using that as an example of poor workmanship from some U.S assembly plants in the past."
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Partly assembled in... I believe it was because of all of the U.S smog regulations etc they had to change stuff. America got the watered down version of just about everything, they sent all the beasty cars here lol
I believe it could be the same reason you guys dont get the good Fords there because of all the smog regulations.
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Post Edited (Sep 17, 5:08pm)
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I disagree on that, Il'd say that even the beasty Fords produced here will have tight smog controls and regualtions.
But i think Ford USA didn't predict the awesome popularity of Japanese style sport production cars.
See Ford here is in production with famous Japanese companies like Mazda. They've learnt on different lines to the USA. And it looks like for better not worse.
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"A similar thing happend with the USDM Z31's that were assembled in the U.S, they were plauged with electrical and mechanical issues that didn't exist in other markets which utimlately resulted in alot of bad publicity for Nissan due to no real fault of their own, besides letting the Americans build their cars in the first place which was a bad idea"
What have you been smoking, and how long does it show up in Urinalysis?
No Z-Car was EVER assembled, or otherwise constructed in the USA.
That includes ALL Z-Cars up to and including the Z33 350Z.
Utes, on the other hand, have all body panels sourced worldwide from the Smyrna Tennessee Plant.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
Post Edited (Sep 17, 11:43pm)
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We dont even have emissions testing here at all man, the smog regulations in the USA are far more strict than what they are here...
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(Cough Cough!)
Man! That stuff has harshed your braincells, dude. Where do you get such wild tales like US-Assembled Z-Cars?
Stop it! Your drug-induced haze is starting another internet myth.
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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"Partly assembled in... I believe it was because of all of the U.S smog regulations etc they had to change stuff."
No, not even PARTLY assembled in!
You are cunfusing Toyota with Nissan. TABC (Toyota Auto Body Company) was formed to circumvent the 25% Tarrif on light commercial vehicles shipped to the USA. Toyota shipped Utes without the beds, and the bed section was assembled in Long Beach, and mated to the trucks at the port.
Nissan, on the other hand, simply left the beds be lashed to the frame, and shipped the vehicles as "incomplete partial vehicles" to accomplish the same thing.
That is why Toyota Trucks rust out the beds in the midwest, while the Nissans don't!
Stop killing braincells! Why do you think they call it dope? JUST SAY NO!
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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I was just told once by someone that modifications were made to USDM Z31's once in the country to comply with US smog regulations... I could of been misinformed, the same thing happend with Z's here in a way though. Post 86' Zs were shipped without catalytic converters, and were put on at the dealerships once in the country. My 86' doesn't have the code on the build plate to require a cat, yet it had one. I just tore it off, what cat? lol
My bad on the misinformation on Z31's being partly assembled in the US, forget where I read it now. Anyway, getting a bit off topic...
Ford here are really excellent, they make scarey fast cars. So fast infact they weren't allowed to advertise the 0-60 times on tv commercials because it promoted speeding! They also make a V8 version aswell for those who dont want to go the turbo route...
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"I was just told once by someone "
Typical Internet Comment.
:Rolls Eyes:
Fords Suck as bad as Z Thirty......uh.....forget it....
LOL
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Hahaha! LOL :rolls eyes: lmao, rotf
"Here tony tony tony..."
Cmon keep it on topic... Why is it that Ford Australia is so good and Ford USA sucks so badly? Do you think smog regulations keep cars like the F6 Typhoon etc off the roads in the US?
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Well comparing all sorts of stuff between the USDM and JDM Z's there are huge differences. That's why i also presumed that The USDM Z's were designed, produced and assembled in the USA.
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Unfortunately we all cant be 100% right all the time like Tony D, oh well I apologized for being misinformed and there's not much else I can do is there...
It makes me wonder though why the US gets all the crap, it has to be for emissions as I cant see any other reason why they would get all the watered down Z's and not get any of the good Fords etc.
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"Do you think smog regulations keep cars like the F6 Typhoon etc off the roads in the US?"
Why do you think the Z32 ended it's US Importation in 96, while JDM and worldwide production didn't cease till 99?
The US Emissions requirements would have mandated two catalytic converters per cylinder bank, and there would have had to been a redesigned firewall for the US Models to accomodate that.
Same for the Skyline.
The onerous emissions / "safety" / and litigation based modifications (do you have warnings that your car can tip over if you drive unsafely on YOUR Sun visors?) keep entire car companies out of the US market.
Renault bought Nissan to get market presence in the USA. Hell, now we get the Megane with a Nissan badge. Some place else to palm off Frogshit.
I didn't like the Megane in Amsterdam, I don't like it here, either.
But yes, absolutely, the individual divisions are given autonomy to design for the local market, and the governmental regulatory burden does affect what is available.
There are GM's available in Indonesia that run EFI on REGULAR Gasoline (you know, the stuff that contains tetraeythl lead?????)
That hasn't EVER been available in the USA from GM....unles the Cosworth VEga was available in 74, before the "unleaded gas only" conversion time...
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Yeah it sucks really, I mean I understand the reasoning behind the strict regulations but it's killed alot of good cars. Same with the variable cam timing in the Z32s, they had to scrap that feature or 'quietly' dropped as they like to say for the very same reasons. I figured smog regulations was the reason for the Skyline not being available aswell...
I guess we're lucky here, being that most of us live on the coast the nice sea breeze blow all the smog away lol Although I must say Sydney is a polluted cesspool quickly becoming as congested and polluted as anywhere!
It makes you wonder though, smog regulations apply to new cars and certain old cars are exempt. Here it's prior to 1986 that cars dont require a cat, but you still have thousands of smoke chugging sh!t boxes all over the country that will be around for many years to come. You'd think if they were truely serious about trying to reduce toxic gas emissions then they'd make it illegal to own a car that doesn't pass a smog test. Obviously that's totally unpractical and half the world wouldn't have a car if they did that lol but still even in 20 years time there's still going to be cars driving around that are rolling toxic smoke machines...
Maybe we need to make a giant catalytic converter and put it in the sky? lol
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"You'd think if they were truely serious about trying to reduce toxic gas emissions then they'd make it illegal to own a car that doesn't pass a smog test."
welcome to the state of California, New York, New Jersey, and others that are starting to use California Emissions Regulations to determine which vehicles are legally registerable.
Worse yet are places like North Carolina where they mandate all OEM emissions equipment be in place (functional or not) before you can register it!
What's the point of having an obscure TAC Air Cleaner on a 73 Z when you have upgraded to an 83 ZXT Engine and drivetrain that burns cleaner under all conditions than the 73 engine ever did under the BEST conditions.
As you all have heard me say before:
it has nothing to do about clean air. it has EVERYTHING to do with reducing mobility of the populace and their choices for freedom of movement.
Anybody recall "Mad Max"? It's supposed to be in Futureworld Oz, but it ain't too far off from what I'm seeing.
I can't wait!
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Hey Tony, North Carolina regs are easliy bypassed by your friendly neighborhood mechainc......
Friendly Mechanic."Hey Mr. Good Customer that's a 2.4L right?"
Mr Good Customer. "Uh no, Mr Friendly Mechanic ,it's a modified high compression 2.9L"
Friendly Mechanic "Ya know Mr. Good Customer, the state says you have to have a 2.4L in there to pass smog."
Mr Good Customer " Oh yeah man, I must have been thinking of my other Z car....yeah this one's got the 2.4L alright"
Friendly Mechanic "Yeah ,that's what I thought Mr Good Customer...wink, wink, nod, nod"
Thankfully now though, no more Inspections siince NC has a 35 year rolling exeption now!!! HOORAY!!!
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