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I know of one that I can't recall the name of around here. Northern something Z. You have to pay to be in. Are there any other pre-existing clubs around San Jose area?
I was talking with another Z forum member and the one I know is the one he knew. We were talking about all the local San Jose area shops that are dedicated to Z's already and how they really don't directly compete with each other. They all specialize in something different. It would be nice if they got together and formed a free club that included people from the top of Salinas through bottom of SF. I think there are clubs in both those towns already. No real clubs for people in-between. If some of the Z shops got together and had a regular meet to show off their products and Zers could show up with there cars we might be on to something. I can't figure out why no one has done so yet. Maybe a once or twice a year meat like a mini SEMA show in San Jose and may once every other month or once a month pizza and Z show like the 510's do.
A free club that any Zer could show up even regardless of their Z's condition. There are a LOT of huge 510 clubs in the area and a lot of Z's just go to them... Any clubs that we don't know about that fit anything close to this criteria?
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ZONC ( Z Owners of Northern California) covers the San Jose area, in fact the cover from Visalia North and from the Pacific Ocean to the Nevada border.
Their website is www.zonc.org
There is also ClubZ and their website is www.clubz.org
If you're looking for a free club, remember, you get what you pay for.
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That's the one I was thinking of. It's not free. So most will not go including myself. So it restricts who will show up. That is what I was saying about having the local shops put it together. Bring them some business and Zers can hang out, get food, and check out cars. I don't see a need to charge anyone anything. If there is a cost to go somewhere let them cover it at that time.
I'll check out ClubZ
I was part of Central Valley Z and it was pretty cool. It was free. We'd meet and hang out, get food, and check out cars. Once in a while we'd go other places like the beach etc. We'd cover ourselves and it worked out great. The only down side to that club is that they kinda shun people with non-prestigious cars. Example you didn't really want to bring you project car.
We need a free non-bias club. So I am missing what ever point you are trying to convey by "you get what you pay for". What do you mean exactly.
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ClubZ.org is "1990+ Nissan Z Enthusiast"
So I could probably show up, but it really doesn't cover the majority of people I know around here.
There has to be more than 2 clubs anyway. The San Jose area is huge and Z's are everywhere to be found.
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Yeah, one of the things that bother me about clubs that charge is I have to skip my Mocha Latte one day a month...
$30/year = $2.50/mo. I'm just not willing to part with my monthly Latte...
FYI, that $30/year also gets you a rate discount at Z Car Garage in San Jose.
The discount from my first service there more than paid for the membership.
The annual picnic is free to members, $10 for guests. Many other discounts from affiliated local businesses are available through club membership as well.
http://www.zonc.org/application.html
Support the people that support you. :)
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80 NA SCCA ST2/CP (Car + Tree = Dead)
82 NA 3.0L the rust monster got it
82 ZXT 3.1L, 25psi! Hit in the right rear. ;(
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92 TT Sold! ;(
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Post Edited (Sep 14, 9:52am)
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"It's not free. So most will not go including myself. So it restricts who will show up."
WTF, where does this come from anyway? I don't think they say "unless you pay, you can't attend the meetings"---I know for a fact we have several permanent freeloaders at GroupZ. Guys who have shown up for YEARS and never joined.
Except when they saw the opportunity to get a benefit from the club's membership---then they paid their $35 (oooooh that one breaks the bank!) and got to sit at the head table during the banquet at the convention, right next to Mr.K....
I really got to ask why are people so CHEAP so as not to pay a MINIMAL amount of money UP FRONT so the club and publish a newsletter and pay for the incorporation fees with the state, etc etc etc?
Group Z pays more than $150 a MONTH to mail out newsletters. Who the hell is supposed to PAY for those?
There is the option of Web-Based membership where you get the Sport-Z subscription, and the newsletter electronically, as well as the discounts at Z-Vendors...
For the extra $15 a year, you get a T-Shirt.
You will buy the T-Shirt anyway. I don't see the point of the "Free" club.
In other words, you mention anothe "Free" club, and what did you get form it? You ended up pitching in for the BBQ's didn' you?
So it WASN'T FREE now was it?
But you never know when you got hit for the bite on an activity.
At least with an established minimal fee based club, you pays your money and you know what you're getting up front.
For Example, Empire Z---the Inland Empire ZCC. They, by stated club policy will have at a MINIMUM a couple of BBQ's and Drives per year. THAT is what you pay your money for up front. The BBQ's are free for members and the hangers-on need to PAY before departing on the trips and to enter the BBQ's when they are had. Additionally, the drives usually stop for lunch along the way, and PAYING CLUB MEMBERS will get the food covered as well...
Pay me now of pay me later.
Facts of the matter are, without operating capital, the club usually doesn't amount to much as there is no investment from anybody, and they usually don't have funds to actually DO anything OTHER than sit around a B.S. in a parking lot on a weekend.
And that's how most of the "Free" clubs have ended up that I have watched come and go...
There IS a reason some clubs have been around since 1971, (in the case of Group Z) and almost as long (ZONC).
If you can't put up the $35 for the club dues, you really got to wonder why you are in a money-intensive hobby like restoring or playing with cars in the first place.
Give me a reason NOT to pay the dues. It's not a major expenditure. What is the downside to people paying? It keeps people away or out of the club who are too cheap to make a comittment?
That doesn't seem to be a downside if you want your club to survive...
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And to think I was going to respond to this post. I'm glad I waited a couple of minutes. I pay $35.00 a year to my local club. A $15.00 increase over years past, but I get a magazine to boot. Wait a second, I'm part of the magazine. I want my money back since I get the mag anyways!
There is more to being in a Club then just paying dues. I'm there to support the club and try and help it grow and continue to exist.
Z owners (myself included) have a reputation of being cheap and wanting everything for free. You've just confirmed that stereotype.
Clubs create organization, without it your idea will fade over time with no one willing to put in the time that it takes to put these little get togethers together. But if you want to start something like that to see if it works, aim a little lower then a SEMA type event (more like a sports bar parking lot). Just my 2 cents.
73 240Z - Nissan Sport project car
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I'm just looking for a bunch of Z friends rather than a bussness meet ya know. I was under the impression that Zonc charged 40 a month... Yearly is a different story though..
"In other words, you mention anothe "Free" club, and what did you get form it? You ended up pitching in for the BBQ's didn' you?
So it WASN'T FREE now was it?" No it isn't free, but most charging clubs aren't either. They don't make enough capital to host a large BBQ for free and cover all the other costs. I might have to dig a little deeper though now that it's only 40 yearly rather than monthly.
I hope I don't sound like I'm belly aching or anything, but like I said I'm looking for a bunch of Z friends to hang out and talk about they're projects. I'm not going to say all the clubs are this way, because in fact I have never tried to attented either of the above mentioned clubs, but the ones I have been to including CVZ tend to shun non-finished cars and such. Why I stopped attending them for the most part. It's almost like they got their noses in the air at some of my cars. I only ended up making one friend "IWANNAZ" there. He was cool with all my cars. So if someone wants to stick for Zonc and give me the low down I would be fine with a $40 a year payment... I could handle that even if I was completely broke!lol To me that is close enough to free. I just worry about the club attitudes for the most part. I don't pay people to be dicks to me for sure.
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About the mini SEMA, I'm just saying it would be nice to have the shop owners come together once a year or what ever and show off there stuff with the Zers in the parking lot. I don't see much of that. Just an idea. I not trying to start a club at all and yes I am a cheap bastard. But I don't make all that much money to join a club that costs 40 a month as discussed with another Z member.
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Post Edited (Sep 14, 10:28am)
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If a club shuns your Z because it is a "project" then that tells me to stay away from that kind of club.
If you want to feel like most Z owners, move to NM and join that club (I belong). Most of us own projects and drive them anyways (if we can).
I don't think I ever owned a "nice" Z, but I still buy them.
73 240Z - Nissan Sport project car
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What it looked like when I was 18 and a lot like Bubbles!
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"No it isn't free, but most charging clubs aren't either. They don't make enough capital to host a large BBQ for free and cover all the other costs. "
Group Z, give or take, has 160 members. 150 of them paying (er, we gave a free ride for the charter members that have been with the club since 71...eeh!)
So from the get go, the club takes in $5250 in dues annually.
Maybe 80 people show up for an event, so with our Central Coast Connection (the Tri-Tip Guy) we get a fully catered BBQ like we had at the Santa Monica Mountian Run during the convention for about $10 a head.
So figure 100 of the members show up, that's $1000. Two BBQ's a year, that's $2000
That leaves $3250 per annum.
$150X12 months for printing and mailing our club newsletter, that comes to $1800
That leaves $1450 per annum.
Figure we treat the board members (and about any club members that show up to the board meetings once a month) to breakfast---runs roughly $100 a month.... so figure $1200
That leaves $250 per annum, which easily is spent on free waters for MSA, Trophies for various "club car shows", and crap like that.
That, BTW is the reason most clubs charge around that amount PER YEAR for dues. If you do less than that, you will run into money troubles.
Of course that assumes no ZCCA Dues payment, wich is $2 per active member per year (maybe $160 per year in Group Z's Case), and some fees for the magazine as mentioned above---we opted to INCLUDE it in the cost of hte dues WITHOUT raising the membership fee. So that may skew numbers to the "negative balance" but in reality with sales from the club store (t-shirts, hats, patches, stickers) as well as other raffle ticket sales for goodies (like a set of Toyo Tires, a suspension setup from JIC Magic, Merchandise from MSA, etc etc etc) there is more income flow into the club OTHER than the membership dues.
It's a NON-PROFIT organization, so by definition all the money put into the club must be spent back out to the club or it's designated agents.
We give $1000+ to charities like the Cancer Society (Group Z's founder Cliff Bartholomew <sp?> was a cancer victim at 21) annually. It's about more than just the cars.
But as you can see, with a small fee of $40 a year, with decent fiscal management there is absolutely no reason a club can't afford to put on a BBQ or Two per year FULLY PAID.
Hell, we even pay for our speaking guests dinner at meetings.
Hurry Ray! If you leave RIGHT NOW you can make the meeting here in Fullerton TONIGHT! I'll buy your burger...or maybe H4 lights will get you to make a speech so we can have the club pay for it!
it's hard work to get one club starated, but it's not that hard to get a dedicated core of people to join an existing club and mould it to what THE MEMBERSHIP wants.
Remember ANY club is YOUR club. if someone is trying to exclude you, GET INVOLVED and CHANGE IT. If you walk away, it will never change.
And that may be the crux of many of the problems you are seeing. Guys get it in their head they are the imperious leader and force majure, and run amok with the club.
I could point out to situations where newsletters stopped coming for YEARS, where guys walked away with club funds, where one club decided THEIR schedule was paramount and started demanding other clubs come in-line with their schedule---wierd sh*t happens. it's human nature. The only way to keep it in check is to GET INVOLVED and see the process work.
Once you know the process, you can get the thing running the w3ay YOU want it. And in the end, IT'S YOUR CLUB ONLY IF YOU TAKE THE TIME TO GET INVOLVED!
And that first step is paying the dues and starting to show up a meetings.
Which is what I think the appeal of the "Free Club" really is: No Comittment. No Strings. They can blame someone else when it fails because there is no investment, no committment, and no repercussions if nothing ever comes off. "Hey, we're not paying anyting so if the BBQ doesn't happen no harm no foul." Paying makes someone RESPONSIBLE for MAKING SURE THE BBQ HAPPENS. And when that is put on someone, a lot of people just bug-out because they don't want any responsibility whatsoever.
Which is how you get the imperious running amok! NOBODY wants to run for club office, and you get one guy in there that doesn't really offend enough people, and pretty soon you get him doing what HE wants, instead of what the CLUB wants. Welcome to representative democracy!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
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My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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DMS wrote:
> I'm just looking for a bunch of Z friends rather than a
> bussness meet ya know. I was under the impression that Zonc
> charged 40 a month... Yearly is a different story though..
>
{*SNIP*}
> I hope I don't sound like I'm belly aching or anything, but
> like I said I'm looking for a bunch of Z friends to hang out
> and talk about they're projects. I'm not going to say all the
> clubs are this way, because in fact I have never tried to
> attented either of the above mentioned clubs, but the ones I
> have been to including CVZ tend to shun non-finished cars and
> such. Why I stopped attending them for the most part. It's
> almost like they got their noses in the air at some of my cars.
> I only ended up making one friend "IWANNAZ" there. He was cool
> with all my cars. So if someone wants to stick for Zonc and
> give me the low down I would be fine with a $40 a year
> payment... I could handle that even if I was completely
> broke!lol To me that is close enough to free. I just worry
> about the club attitudes for the most part. I don't pay people
> to be dicks to me for sure.
Actually, it DOES sound like you're belly aching. If you want the hobby to be strong, you join a club. I was a member of the Z Club of Texas, even though I lived too far to drive to most of the meetings and events. Heck, it was worth it just to meet Mad Mike and Bill Reagan (even if he did try a MLM pitch on me).
Just by using Google with the following words: California Northern Datsun car club, you could have found ZONC's website. According to the application form on the website, their dues are $30/year.
Clubs are made up of people. Some people will have attitudes and some people will be really cool. Take the time to get to know them.
The bottom line is that to me a club is worth what you put into it.
(Edited to correct Bill Reagan's name. I don't know why I called him Mike. Dang, I'm getting old.)
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Post Edited (Sep 14, 7:49pm)
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You know Mad Mike?
I'm sorry, Steve, I didn't realize they let him out for the meetings...
I will apologize on behalf of all Z-Owneres for that experience!
It's someting nobody should have to go through!
LOL
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Heck, Tony. I hung out with him for a few hours at the Dallas Autorama. It's not an experience easily forgotten.
Besides, who in the Z car club community does know Mad Mike? (Hide your wives and daughters!)
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They must have fed him before he was released....
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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DMS... i will suggest this to you like i did with another member.... post on all z related forums that you want to have a meet on this day/night or whatever and see how many will respond... i will always try to make a z meet as long as my Z is in running condition.... email me and maybe we can both start something here in the sf bay area. i have a friend that knows many people enough to start our own club.... and i know someone that lives in socal that has a really good idea called TAB, it stands for take a break. they have weekly meets on tuesdays calling it TAB tuesdays... i have been meaning to ask him how he got it all started and some pointers on how to get people to come. so far he has been very successful.
Lloyd Lester
1976 280Z with rebuilt motor, auto to 5 speed conversion,Z31 LSD,Z32 seats,2.5in custom catback exhaust, weapon R muffler,old school Tokico springs and struts, honda front strut bar,California Z wide body kit
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If your ever out with Mad Mike, try putting a glass of beer on the head of his car when it's running. It'll not even shake when he rev's it. The engine is super balanced.
He's always a hoot to be around.
93' 300zx vert with jspec add ons and fresh "Cherry Red Pearl" paint
95' 240sx se bone stock Black
97' 240sx se bone stock Black, daughter ragged out. In storage
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or this!
Seriously, ZONC is full of great people that mostly have PROJECT cars!
None of mine are finished and when I don't have one that's running for a meet, I drive the Civic if I'm going alone and my Durango if I've got a kid in tow. I've even showed up for a Z car meet in my wife's Subaru Outback!
If there are any snobs in ZONC, I'll slap them around a few times in public and they'll either go away or lighten up. ;)
72 WooHoo!! In good shape too...
72 Rolling Chassis (RB or LS1?)
80 NA SCCA ST2/CP (Car + Tree = Dead)
82 NA 3.0L the rust monster got it
82 ZXT 3.1L, 25psi! Hit in the right rear. ;(
83 parts car
92 TT Sold! ;(
02 Looking for an '03 made in '02
Post Edited (Sep 14, 2:06pm)
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His STROKER engine!
That thing has been around since the beginning of time (like Mike...)
Running BMW components, definately old-school Bosch EFI tweaking to be sure.
I'm sure there are those who would tell him his EFI is "outdated" and how he's loosing lots of power using that stock EFI manifold...
But it runs! And I don't mean "runs", I mean RUNS!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Yeah I know Tony, missed him this year at Branson. He was getting ready for the big Zcon. Hope he makes it up for next year.
His car looks wise don't look like it'd do squat. But it will run like a stripped ape.
I'd hate to say what he'd tell ya if you did tell him it was out of date.
BTW he tried to get my wife's 35th signed by Mr. K before it left Japan. His health wouldn't let him travel at the time.
93' 300zx vert with jspec add ons and fresh "Cherry Red Pearl" paint
95' 240sx se bone stock Black
97' 240sx se bone stock Black, daughter ragged out. In storage
05' 350z AE Yellow, new tag "35TH Z"
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I think Tony and WW summed it up well so I won't add to much of my personal opinion.
There are those that lead, not for the power or glamour, but because the feel they could make a contrabution.
There are those that follow because hey want to help whenever they can and have the well being of the club in mind but due to other commitments (family,business etc) are unable to fill a leadership position.
There are those that follow and are willing to pay the yearly dues for the services provided by the club.
There are those that freeload because mommy and daddy have given them everything all their life, don't have the foggiest idea of the cost of running a club, and/or feel they are of such stature with the community, they are too good to have to pay dues or put out a little work now and then.
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WW, I never had you pegged as a "mocha latte" guy. Perhaps you should park the Z car and get a Miata. Beep Beep, Hey....
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I pay my club dues, so I can't afford to be a 'mocha latte' guy! ;)
zipbeers13 wrote:
> WW, I never had you pegged as a "mocha latte" guy. Perhaps you
> should park the Z car and get a Miata. Beep Beep, Hey....
72 WooHoo!! In good shape too...
72 Rolling Chassis (RB or LS1?)
80 NA SCCA ST2/CP (Car + Tree = Dead)
82 NA 3.0L the rust monster got it
82 ZXT 3.1L, 25psi! Hit in the right rear. ;(
83 parts car
92 TT Sold! ;(
02 Looking for an '03 made in '02
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WW wrote:
> I pay my club dues, so I can't afford to be a 'mocha latte'
> guy! ;)
Touche. Now get back to work or go finish at least one of your project cars.
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Well if I had known it was under $40 yearly I wouldn't have started looking elsewhere. I was under the impression that it was just under $500 a year which is like ridiculous... I mean I'm not driving a Shelby car you know.
I think I will check out Zonc a little closer for sure. Thanks guys
HOLY MOLY TONY that's a bit of funding for sure. I guess I didn't stop and add it up.
Thanks guys
Ray
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I didn't even add in gifts given to the club (kinda did, we don't pay for those raffle prizes, people buck up stuff to get their name out in the community).
I mean, several members have various auto-related businesses. One has a Z-Specialty shop, others have vinyl sign businesses, one runs a Maaco....
i mean, when you got a big network of people all with the same interest, you inevitably get much more than just car stuff.
It takes the step to be there long enough to see who is who and what is what. Several meetings if nothing else.
Kinda like coming here to ZC.C.
Look what you get.... Wonder how the content would change if the only people who could post here had to pay an annual $5 subscription fee....
It was funny to see who dropped off when "registration" was required.
The more effort you need to get into something, as a general rule, the more dedicated a clientelle you end up finding when you get inside.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
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My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Find out for yourself before you make a decision! ;)
DMS wrote:
> I don't make all that much money to join a club that costs 40 a month as
> discussed with another Z member.
DMS wrote:
> Well if I had known it was under $40 yearly I wouldn't have
> started looking elsewhere. I was under the impression that it
> was just under $500 a year which is like ridiculous... I mean
> I'm not driving a Shelby car you know.
72 WooHoo!! In good shape too...
72 Rolling Chassis (RB or LS1?)
80 NA SCCA ST2/CP (Car + Tree = Dead)
82 NA 3.0L the rust monster got it
82 ZXT 3.1L, 25psi! Hit in the right rear. ;(
83 parts car
92 TT Sold! ;(
02 Looking for an '03 made in '02
Post Edited (Sep 14, 5:02pm)
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DMS wrote:
>I was part of Central Valley Z and it was pretty cool. It was free. We'd meet and hang out, get food, and check out cars. Once in a while we'd go other places like the beach etc. We'd cover ourselves and it worked out great. The only down side to that club is that they kinda shun people with non-prestigious cars. Example you didn't really want to bring you project car.
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Central Valley Z never shuns a member. We never have shunned anyone for the condition of their Z. Its those Z's, the ones under construction or in the midst of restoration, that will gather all our members around. Yes, we have a good amount of members with really pristine Z's, but we also have many who are rebuilding or modifying their Z's. All we want are for members to participate and enjoy their Z. Probably why we are one of the fastest growing clubs.
If you did come to a meeting and you didn't feel welcome then sorry. I honestly don't even remember you coming to any of our meetings. True we have had a few people show up to our meetings and say they are on our site and a member of the club, and then we never see them again. You said you went with us on some of our trips to the coast? Don't see you in any of our pictures or forum postings. So you must not have participated. We know who the dedicated members are and who aren't. You cant say we shunned you when you never showed up for a club meeting or one of our trips. You cant also say we shunned you when you only showed up for one meeting and then never surfaced again. The purpose of our club, beyond enjoying the Z, is to make friends. Friends with a shared interest. Sometimes it takes patience to gain a friend. We have many members who participate in every meeting. Many strong friendships have been made. Also have had a few relationships formed too. One marriage too. If you just show up to one meeting a few years ago, or even a few months ago and then never show up again, how do you expect to make a friend or gain entrance into the circle of friends. That circle is always open for new members.
First and foremost, it doesn't mater what condition your Z is in, we just want you to participate and enjoy your Z. You might want to check out the gallery on our website. There you will find club members Z's in various states of condition. We are one of the few clubs still left that are free to join. We can do everything the other clubs can with no to little cost. If we have a BBQ its a potluck. If we have a Z car show, then its sponsored. Our website cost little to maintain. Once in a great while we ask for donations. To put it out there in the open, our yearly cost to put together our Z club is only $30, and I pay that. Basically our philosophy is drive your Z, don't park your Z. Enjoy it for what it is made for, to drive.
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86' Z31 - My baby.
93' Z32 - My daily driver.
Post Edited (Sep 14, 7:50pm)
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Hey Steve...
For the most part Central Valley was ok. There were club members that made it clear my cars were sub par. I really made pretty good friends with Dan(I think his handle is IWANNAZ). That was pretty much it. I didn't get to go to the beach although I tried. I met you guys at a couple Fresno meets.
I didn't bring my Zs to either meet I attended in Fresno. I posted pics of my ZX 2+2 on Central Valley Z and got a warm response though... So??
Ray
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That's why I come here and post.
to get my arse straightened out!
Ray
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"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant, excepting Alice"
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Lets see. You came to a meeting without your Z. You expect more of a response from a picture posted of your Z. And that is how we shunned you? Omg man, is this for real? I checked our site. You posted only 5 times and that was about a year and a half ago. Going back to the picture issue. How can you expect people to give you anymore of a response? They want to see your Z, not a picture. That is why we meet and have runs. Sorry you didnt feel like your Z was up to par. We dont care if it is or not. Just come out and enjoy the ride. I wish you good luck in finding a new club to join. But please if your looking to join another club, why not participate and actually bring your Z to a meeting and base responses the right way. Make an effort to participate when you join a club, dont expect members to come flocking to you when all you have is a picture. If you put the effort into our club you might have come to know some of our members. Like John P. from Bakersfield. He is building a 240z using Z32 components. You would also have loved our last Fresno meeting. There were two 280zx there. One just like yours. We dont see them much. The members gathered around those two and they werent top notch cars, just daily drivers.
76' 280z - RIP
86' Z31 - My baby.
93' Z32 - My daily driver.
Post Edited (Sep 15, 6:58am)
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I wasn't going to post in this thread .. I've had many discussions regarding the FREE vs FEE based Z clubs.
But since STEVEZCAR posted regarding CVZ's "FREE" status .. I wanted to point out what STEVEZCAR posted.
CVZ is well organized and established, hence CVZ gets "sponsored" with Nissan dealerhip backing ..
There are a few (no names) "FREE" Z Clubs in the NorCAL area .. they are not in the same league as CVZ.
just paZZ'n thru
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Get involved, it takes several meetings and getting involved before one can make any evaluation of a Club---any Club.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Thanks Alan and Tony.
Alan, I wish I could make it to your show tomorrow in Stockton. I am working tomorrow. I hope some of our club members make it up there. I havent talked to Dale to see if he is going. You know Dale and Connie with the 350ZTT? Anyway, thanks again and I hope you all have a blast and a good turnout tomorrow. Are you or anyone going on the Monterey trip next weekend? If you dont know about it check out our homepage. Thanks, Steve
Tony,
Are you going to be at the Japanese classic car show in Long Beach? Hope to see you all there.
76' 280z - RIP
86' Z31 - My baby.
93' Z32 - My daily driver.
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I've paid my entry fee, wether the car is running by the time of the show or not....that is another question.
I should be working on it right now, instead I'm sitting in a Hotel in Phoenix on STANDBY because the parts didn't show this morning.
RUSH RUSH RUSH! You NEED to be in Phoneix for tomorrow morning start.
So I figure "screw this, I'm going to my kid's ball game!" and blow off my "emergency travel orders" till today.
Then I wake up like 2 hours late (fan bus back to school at 1AM....I'm supposed to leave by 4AM to make an 8AM start....D'OH!)
Hit the road at 7am Drive like the Mellenium Falcon across I10, bumping off the Ford Spec Rev Limiter on the old F250, end up in Phoenix at 11AM, in the plant parking lot, in time to see the DELIVERY TRUCK rolling out...
Customer comes to the truck and said "Your timing's great, the parts aren't on the truck, call for the tracking information!"
They ASSUMED I had called for tracking info, and arrived when the original tracking info said the truck would arrive.
Who am I to say otherwise, right?
Now I get "Overtime Dispatch" and Standby for all of today...
But still doesn't get the new computer working in the Land Speed Car. I really want to be able to fire it up and do some 9500 rpm revs to screw with people's heads! LOL
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"