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Well... I got my '81 back today.
They stole the stereo and speakers.
The took it out in the desert and flattened the right rear tire.
They also bottomed out and trashed the front valence and scraped up/bent up the stuff that mounts to the radiator support. I sure hope that they didn't bend up stuff so bad that I can't fix it.
They also scraped the passengers side under/behind the door No dents, but it looks kinda bad.... even if the car didn't have very good paint before.
They got oil/grease on both seats... boy is that gonna be fun to try and get out.
Oh... and get this. There was stuff that the thieves left in there.
A backpack, books (including a library book and a catalog with a name/address on it), a slim jim, an emergency car kit, a jacket, a single shoe, a shoebox, some windex, some Gojo.
And get this... the Sherriff basically said that they aren't going to do anything... basically not even follow up on the name/address on the catalog. The address is like 2 miles from where I live.... ARGGGHHHHH.
Anyway, I am glad to have the car back, but quite dissapointed with the "law enforcement" right about now.
'81 280ZX-N/A 2+2 - stolen on 11-9-2006 :-( - recovered 11-13-2006 :-D
'77 280 - now back to being my project car.
'76 280 2+2 - parts car - slowly being stripped
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Thats how it always goes, cops dont ever want to pursue crap like that. Thats when you take matters into your OWN hands, if you know what I mean.
Lots of Z cars, 1970's-1983's.
1977, Megasquirt, 12.8@ 105, 1.70 60 Foot, 2940 LBS. Blake Machine Co, Phx, AZ http://bandmzcars.com http://blakemachineprojects.com http://www.zselect.com
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So their basic attitude is "you should be happy we found your car" and "don't forget to call us next time it happens"?
Lesson learned... if you got evidence, don't bother giving it to the "law enforcement". Keep it yourself and track down the creeps.
So what exactly are we paying them to do anyway?
'81 280ZX-N/A 2+2 - stolen on 11-9-2006 :-( - recovered 11-13-2006 :-D
'77 280 - now back to being my project car.
'76 280 2+2 - parts car - slowly being stripped
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oh.. the thing that probably thwarted the thieves the most was that that connector for the water temp sensor (N47 head, so no CHTS) came off.
I wonder if they were driving it, it came off.. it wouldn't hardley run, so they ditched it in the desert and then proceeded to rip the stereo out.
'81 280ZX-N/A 2+2 - stolen on 11-9-2006 :-( - recovered 11-13-2006 :-D
'77 280 - now back to being my project car.
'76 280 2+2 - parts car - slowly being stripped
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Well, on the plus side you can now update your sig! Glad you got the car back.
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1982 280zx
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oh... yeah.. I forgot that.. thanks for the reminder.
'81 280ZX-N/A 2+2 - stolen on 11-9-2006 :-( - recovered 11-13-2006 :-D
'77 280 - now back to being my project car.
'76 280 2+2 - parts car - slowly being stripped
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AND you got some good stuff --> A backpack, books (including a library book and a catalog with a name/address on it), a slim jim, an emergency car kit, a jacket, a single shoe, a shoebox, some windex, some Gojo.
Score!
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Windex eh?
Any idea why a bunch of car theives would be rolling with Windex?
Anyway, glad you got your car back.
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1990 300zx NA
- Custom Exhaust
- JWT Pop Charger
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Fingerprints? My guess is all that junk you found in your car was the last items the dude grabbed from the previous car he stole, that one is probably still sitting a block down from where yours was snatched from.
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the law won't do anything about it huh? well.. isn't that special...I guess they got better things to do like write poor people tickets for ridiculous minor violations and hassle the homeless....
1976 280z 2+2 - Risen from the dead - garaged since 1988. Pallnet Fuel Rail and guage - ES rack and front bushings - 260Z 4Speed - Arizona Z Car Clutch - H4 Lights - Lots more to come...
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THey are too busy protecting us from ourselves from speeding by handing out 1-300$ tickets. Yeah I'm bitter as hell, just got a ticket 3 hours ago, first one in a year and a half, F*ck the police.
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cops scare me..they really do...a friend of mine got $5500.00 confiscated once because they thought he was a drug dealer...took him OVER A YEAR to get his money back...you shouldnt really carry large sums of money of course but it damn sure isn't against the law either....cops are scary...
1976 280z 2+2 - Risen from the dead - garaged since 1988. Pallnet Fuel Rail and guage - ES rack and front bushings - 260Z 4Speed - Arizona Z Car Clutch - H4 Lights - Lots more to come...
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..Did you speak to the actual sheriff himself, or a deputy? If he wasn't the sheriff, go to the deputy's supervisor or the sheriff. If he does not co-operate, go to the D.A.'s office.
'78 280Z 2+2 R.I.P. August 29, 2005
'75 280Z Coupe 4-speed
"Never been there, didn't do that."
"The harder you try, the dumber you look."
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"The address is like 2 miles from where I live"
Should be sufficient to get a search warrant to look for the stereo at least. That's what cops are suppose to do. Bug the crap out of them till he does someting or take it the sheriffs name to the local news.
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cops are basically useless these days in all but very few instances. You have to protect yourself (and i mean carry a gun on you whether you have a permit or not). and in your case you follow up on leads and ill bet you can figure out or find out who stole it with some street talk and maybe having to stick a $20 in a few street peoples palms.
cops are more interested in writing tickets for revenue and it keeps em out of being sued if they go beatin up on some suspect they are chasing for robbery etc..
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What about your insurance company? Sorry if this was already addressed somewhere else...
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get any copies of all police reports and consult a lawyer. you may have a way to sue the people on the catalog address for the damage to your car.its pretty un likly that the same people stole a catalog and a library book and than left them in the car . did you check with the library to see who the book is checked out to. i dont think library book check out info is private so you may have some results there. DONT fix anything on your car without having a garage look at it for repair estimate and take lots of pics of the damage for possible court case. you may have to do some leg work to motivate the police to follow thru. the police may have other reasons for not doing anything , it is possible that they have a bigger case against these people that isnt ready for arrest or the people could be informants so the police arent doing anything.
talkto a lawter or legal aid and like someone else already said go higher up in the police dept. until you get an answer.
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1980 280ZX coupe
2001 maxima
1994 F150 4x4 van works custom truck
170000 and never needed mech repairs
1996 ford explorer -they cant all be good
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I only had liability insurance on the car... I didn't think anybody would actually steal it..
Haha.. get a search warrant.. yeah right... when cars get stolen or other stuff gets stolen, the cops won't even come talk to you in person. They call you back on the phone to get a statement.
Anything short of a big drug bust or a murder and you can't get crap done around here.
Oh yeah.. and if you want to report something "minor", you have to call 911 because the sheriff's department won't pick up at their regular phone number.
'81 280ZX-N/A 2+2 - stolen on 11-9-2006 :-( - recovered 11-13-2006 :-D
'77 280 - now back to being my project car.
'76 280 2+2 - parts car - slowly being stripped
Post Edited (Nov 14, 12:08pm)
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Let's see.. if I talk to a lawer, I am gonna end up having to pay more money on top of the money I am out from not being able to work and from having to fix my car.
The "law enforcement" around here (Tucson, AZ) is a big joke. They basically won't do anything at all unless you are dead.. and even then I wonder sometimes.
Oh.. my car was driven like a total of about 40 miles after it was stolen.
It was found way over on the other side of town...
The thing that actually stopped them (besides the flat tire), is that the water temp sensor connector came off, so the car wouldn't run.
When I got it from the yard, it wouldn't even move without dying.. and it was smoking real bad.
After I hooked the sensor back up, the idle went up to about 2k rpm. Upon further inspection, I found that the perps had turned the idle screw all the way up in order to try and make the car run.
'81 280ZX-N/A 2+2 - stolen on 11-9-2006 :-( - recovered 11-13-2006 :-D
'77 280 - now back to being my project car.
'76 280 2+2 - parts car - slowly being stripped
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>I only had liability insurance on the car...
Ouch! Need full coverage man! :( Suppose it's a bit late now, sorry to hear your car got screwed with.
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LOL, full coverage. Just what do you think that an insurance company give you for the the replacement cost on a 25 year old 280ZX-N/A 2+2 daily driver? It's usually better to simply pay yourself instead of an insurance company...
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Don't return the book to the library! That way they get a huge fine! At least you'll get some justice.
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My Dad put on the first 15K, I put on the next 310K.
I haven't started my 1st love since 1997, that's about to change.
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O.k... people I turned the "evidence" in to the "law enforcement".
From now on, I will refrain from using "cop" sheriff", or "police"... they are all now classified as "law enforcement" (always with the quotes).
Anyway, I am now having to elongate the front mounting holes on the bracket that the strut rod and sway bar mount to because the freaks bent the radiator support, which pushed the mount back.
Well.. ya know what, if I ever catch ANYBODY trying to break into or steal my car, they will wish that they had never come within 100 miles of it.
Oh yeah.. and on the same side, ya know where the different layers of the "frame" are welded together... they basically split the welds and bent the flange that hangs down in a 90 degree angle so that it is resting on the bottom of the frame.
Yeah.. and on the other side, they did almost the same thing... not quite as bad though. And at least it didn't jack up the strut bar mount on the other side either.
'81 280ZX-N/A 2+2 - stolen on 11-9-2006 :-( - recovered 11-13-2006 :-D
'77 280 - now back to being my project car.
'76 280 2+2 - parts car - slowly being stripped
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A few years ago some cloens broke into my garage and cleaned out the stereo in my 83T. They also took a load of tools and a welder, etc. I was disappointed when the cops came by as ther was a big fat finferprint on one of the windows just as plain as day. They would not do anything except issue a report for insurance purposes.
What I later learned was that I could have hired a licensed private detective to process the fingerprint. You might want to consider that option just to get a name. Good luck.
John
77280Z (Spooky), 83ZXT (Garage Queen), 86ZXT (Bulldog).
Proud owner of 10/03 Z car of the month.
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I have no money right now anyway.... Cause of this CRAP, I am gonna be real tight for money for at least a few weeks... it is my work car... if I don't have the car, I can't work, and therefore I can't make any money.... I usually have to drive 200+ miles a day for work.
And besides... there are probably 10+ peoples prints all over that car by now... from the thieves to the towing company to the "law enforcement".
I wouldn't be surprised if the "law enforcement" knows exactly who stole it, and just doesn't care.
Well.. at least it gives me more of a reason to get the '77 fixed faster... it is in pretty good shape... only have a little more rust to fix, and that doesn't even have to be done before I put it on the road. Now the fact that it still needs a lot of other work (be put back together) is another story.
My wife and I have another car, but she has to use it to go to work... and we tried getting by with only one car for about a week.. It didn't work at all. I had to drive so far away, that by the time I get there, I only have a couple hours do work before I have to turn around and come back.... and I ended up having to wait at the DHL office for 1 1/2" hours before it opened so I could pick up my packages so that I could actually go to work.
'81 280ZX-N/A 2+2 - stolen on 11-9-2006 :-( - recovered 11-13-2006 :-D
'77 280 - now back to being my project car.
'76 280 2+2 - parts car - slowly being stripped
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Good luck.
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I just had to tap the one bolt hole for the front sway bar mount... when the trashed the radiator mount, it popped the threads on the one hole... It is now 12mm instead of 10mm... And I had to modify the sway bar bracket so the 12mm bolt will fit.
'81 280ZX-N/A 2+2 - stolen on 11-9-2006 :-( - recovered 11-13-2006 :-D
'77 280 - now back to being my project car.
'76 280 2+2 - parts car - slowly being stripped
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go avenger style and track em down and kill kill kill
82 280zx turbo 5 speed
86 300zx NA 5 spd
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I'm pretty sure that "Comprehensive" covers theft and is real cheap as an addition to your liability. You may want to check that out.
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>LOL, full coverage. Just what do you think that an insurance company give you for the the replacement cost on a 25 year old 280ZX-N/A 2+2 daily driver?
It's called an agreed value policy, then they'll give you whatever the contracted agreed value is.
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You guys are funny, Ethan just move on. Theres no proof of who took the car, for all you know that book or whatever is stolen as well. Wouldnt that suck to track down and do some Charles Bronson on an innocent person? The police force is not going to start up a dragnet over an old stolen car and I dont really think they should.
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if nothing else, a hidden battery current kill switch with a key would help to prevent future car thieving.
82 NA 5 spd
77 4 spd
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man! you should have taken that slim jim and went and stole there friggin car.glad you got it back and sorry for all the misfortune.hope it works out for you.
Z's are like woman maintenance,maintenance,maintenance!
1971 240Z gunmetal metalic 5sp 4:11 gears in the rear
illuminas and purchased from the original owner w/136k original miles
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what's gojo?
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'05 350Z Chrome Silver Touring
'73 240Z
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Wobbles - They should at least follow up on a possible lead.... What if it was stolen? Shouldn't they at least check to see if that person had reported stuff stolen... or look at what they left in the car and check if that stuff was reported stolen. NOT following up on a possible lead is pure neglagence.
justinhenry - gojo is hand cleaner... comes in an orange bottle.
'81 280ZX-N/A 2+2 - stolen on 11-9-2006 :-( - recovered 11-13-2006 :-D
'77 280 - now back to being my project car.
'76 280 2+2 - parts car - slowly being stripped
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Put it this way, do I want my tax dollars all going to the chasing down of some cold homeless dude who ripped off your car for a couple of days, or do I want it going towards more serious crime prevention. If the possibility of arrest and conviction was right in there face Im sure they would follow thru, just more then likely a case not worth investing the time into. Im not really saying your matter is a lost cause, but the possibility of them actually being able to prove and convict someone in your case is very slim. Does is suck, yes. But its the reality we deal with. They need to pick and choose there fights as well, is why the "thats what insurance is for" saying will always come up. Who knows, maybe they ran that name or whatever and nothing positive came back.
Cops get a bad name in cases like yours, I dont feel its justified. The feelings of all they do is hang around and give tickets is funny, as if that is trully a bad thing. Couple days ago a family here in Denver was walking thru downtown and got ran over by a drunk driver, killing the 2 babies and mother. Would I of wanted that cop tied up all week chasing down the guy in your case or on the streets catching speeders and drunk drivers? I know your upset and you have a right to be, I just think your pointing the finger in the wrong direction.
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speed limits are absolutely unreasonable in most areas. giving tickets in these areas is just tax collecting. obviously drunk drivers are a different story, but they're usually weaving and breaking other traffic laws, not speeding.
i agree cops should be spending time on real crimes like car theft rather than giving speeding tickets. i don't blame cops though. i'm sure they would rather be doing things other than giving speeding tickets.
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'05 350Z Chrome Silver Touring
'73 240Z
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More benefit there than hitting people for 10 over.
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Wobbles... when I turned in the stuff to the "law enforcement", they seemed surprised that there was other peoples stuff in the car... like they had no clue.
What in the world did the original "law enforcement" do when they found the car? Evidently nothing besides calling the towing company.
They are supposed to look for evidence and whatnot when they recover a stolen vehicle. Evbidently they did not do much of anything.
Stuff like this happens all the time.
A couple years back, an idiot with a revoked license ran into the back of my mom's car. Guess what... they caught the guy.. Guess what else, they let him go. Guess what else, they never did anything to the guy to make him pay for the damage he had done.
So again I ask... what are we paying them for?
If they actually did their supposed job around here, maybe we wouldn't have one of the highest crime rates in the country.
'81 280ZX-N/A 2+2 - stolen on 11-9-2006 :-( - recovered 11-13-2006 :-D
'77 280 - now back to being my project car.
'76 280 2+2 - parts car - slowly being stripped
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Author: 300zxt
Date: Nov 14, 3:54pm
>LOL, full coverage. Just what do you think that an insurance company give you for the the replacement cost on a 25 year old 280ZX-N/A 2+2 daily driver?
It's called an agreed value policy, then they'll give you whatever the contracted agreed value is.
I THINK you might be confusing full coverage with collector car insurance, at least that's how it is around here.
1976 280Z
Draw-Through Turbo, 10 PSI, 4 Bbl Holley, E88, L28 (Flat), 10:1 CR, 5 Spd
1974 Corvette Stingray:
350, 400 Automatic, T-Tops, 8.5:1 CR, 78,000 Miles
1994 Acura Integra:
1.8L, 5 Spd, 189,000 and Counting!
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You got that whole violated feeling thing going on, and your upset, as you should be. You said it yourself, stuff like this happens all the time, there is no way possible that they can commit enough time to launch an investigation into every single car theft in there area. Best believe they would love to arrest whoever did it, just they have to cut there losses somewhere and move on. Maybe its just not as easy as you may think, if they caught someone in the act or had positive identification and someone to press charges then sure. But in your case they would need to go on a wild goose chase and come up with enough evidence to prosecute. The man hours and resources needed to accomplish that just wont happen with a crime of this status.
The guy that hit your mom, did they charge him with anything? Did you guys file a suit against the guy? They are police officers, not lawyers, you prolly needed to file suit for damages.
As far as highest crime rates and all that, where do you live? Crime rates have alot more to do with a cop not going Barny Fife on a stolen car. Funding, economy, unemployment, homelesness, drug usage?, home values, density of population, tons of stuff. Maybe Im numb to the whole car ripped off thing, Ive had 3 stolen and at least 6 busted into and radios/ect stolen. Its part of the society we live in. Doesnt mean we should just be numb to it. Like said before, I think you should look at the whole picture and just because some scumbag tried to get over on you, doesnt mean you should take your anger out on the police because you feel they didnt go the extra mile for your peace of mind. The one at fault here is the guy who ripped you off, not the cop just trying to do his job.
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ethan: how much yuo want for that slimmy jimmy?
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1971 fairlady 240z
95 300zx N/A
72 240z
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>I THINK you might be confusing full coverage with collector car insurance, at least that's how it is around here.
It's one in the same here, most insurance companies here in Australia have an agreed value policy. You tell them what you want it covered for, they look at your car and then decide if they'll cover it for that much or not. All my Z's are covered under policies like this. They take into consideration the rarity of a car, the overall condition among other things. I wouldn't have it any other way personally, I'm sure there are companies in the US which do the same.
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i don't think wobbles would be saying all this if his 71 was stolen and came back a few days later all beat up and the cops turned their back on him. hey 300zxt, my insurance said they don't offer full coverage to anything over 15 yrs old, but i wonder if they will do the agreed value thing. might call about that today.
82 NA 5 spd
77 4 spd
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YES, I want my tax dollars that are used for law enforcement to be USED for law enforcement. Call me silly but that's what their job is no matter who the perp is.
What, we are supposed to pay law enforcement just to sit in their office all day and just write down a list of things people call into them? Car theft is a crime so I'd be calling them every hour if they are still sitting on their fat arses in the station house drinking coffee.
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I've had a car stolen... a 1983 280ZXT. 1 month after I bought it. Cops came after a few hours and took my report. They told me then not to get my hopes up as they typically find few stolen cars (this was around Washington, DC in 1989). I was sitting in my office in 1991 when I get this call from Prince George's County (Maryland) Sheriffs Dept., asking if I had an 83 280 zx stolen? I said, Yes and they said. "Well, we found your car. It was discovered when we busted a car theft ring. Your car had been registered twice and had been driven. The thieves went so far as to cover key ID numbers on areas of the car with body putty. But we traced it down." I asked about the condition, and the deputy said, "You really don't want to see it. It was sitting with at least two tires flat and the t-tops had been out for a while."
So, sometimes things do work out and sometimes "law enforcement" does its job. Still miss that car. Had a lot of sentimental attachment.
As for full coverage, many insurance companies won't do full coverage on a car over 10 years old. Some will, but not without some type of inspection.
Just a couple pennies tossed in the mix.
Roger
1999 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 Quad Cab
1986 300ZX 2+2 NA 5spd
It's funny until someone gets hurt. Then, it's hilarious!
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Nothing like sending the message that breaking into and stealing cars is ok, but if we catch you doing 75 in a 65, well thats just unacceptable. Nevermind they make money off one and not the other.....
I've had this happen before too. We had a witness who knew the person that broke into the car and the police wouldn't do a thing about it.
My personal feeling is that mine and yours tax dollars are going to be spent regardless of what "case" the police are working on. its not like less money is spent if they choose not to look into your case... they are still on duty getting paid. There is no excuse for them to not make an effort to help. All through grade school and high school you get it beat into your head that the police are your friend and if you need help you should contact them.... then you do and they just kinda laugh and say "sucks to be you".
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The police are your friend....what a joke that is....they might as well wear Nazi Gestapo uniforms...
1976 280z 2+2 - Risen from the dead - garaged since 1988. Pallnet Fuel Rail and guage - ES rack and front bushings - 260Z 4Speed - Arizona Z Car Clutch - H4 Lights - Lots more to come...
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>300zxt, my insurance said they don't offer full coverage to anything over 15 yrs old, but i wonder if they will do the agreed value thing.
Couldnt hurt to ask, maybe even call a few other companies around to see what the deal is. I find it unlikely that only insurance companies here do that.
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There seems to be a big misunderstanding about police these days. They are not "law enforcement". They are Peace Officers. Unfortunately they've gone from being composed of good natured friendly folk to what Jeff Cooper called the "federal ninja".
1973 240Z 4 screw SU's, Tokico HP's, Toyota Calipers
1946 Willys-Overland CJ-2A (restoration in progress)
2006 Ural Gear-Up
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Ive had cars stolen, in fact my 73 240z was stolen almost the same as Ethans deal. Thought it was long gone then got a call a week later, cops found it on the side of the road. My fuel gauge was broke and read half full when empty, I guess the thief couldnt figure why it wouldnt start. When got back my hatch glass was busted out, seats/headliner/interior was all gouged and torn apart by what I guess was a screwdriver, and my ignition was all fubared. I was not pleased because I just did alot of work to it and had no insurance (this was back before all the insurance laws), but happy they contacted me and I got the car back. End of deal. My Civic was ripped off also, was found by a cop who actually caught the thief sleeping in it. He was arrested. Got car back all busted up like he went offroading in it and the interior was jacked up and missing stuff also. Insurance paid for all new interior and paint job, so I was happy to get the car back in comparable shape if not better. End of deal.
Insurance is your friend, unfortunately so, but thats what its there for. Relying on the cops to solve every problem in the world is like trying to squeeze blood from a turnip. I bet some of you police bashers have never once voted on measures to increase police funding, tougher laws on crime, increased funding for the jail system, or politicians that back hard prosecution of criminals.
Say in Ethans case, since its so easy to bash the cops performance, what do you suggest they do? Walk the streets with a picture of his car saying "Hey you, did you steal this car?". Run fingerprints that will surely come back with a various list of prints?, then run a sting operation and survelaince on the 8 positive hits they get. Sure, let them dump countless hours and resources into a case that will not stand up in court. And a case that for the most part society has already pushed into the hands of the insurance companies.
Guess Im in the rare minority that dont blame the cops when Im pulled over for speeding. Guess Im in the rare minority that thinks that cops can only do so much legally to protect us also. Imagine that.
Few months back, my wife started complaining to me that some wierd guy was always parked in different spots along her route she would take for her morning walk with the dog. Even if she altered her times, he would be there somewhere. This guy started motioning her to come over as she walked past his truck, when she wouldnt he would drive off instantly. But the next day he would be back. I would of loved to just walk up and snatch the guy from his truck and do some personal quesioning of the matter, but I called the cops and they informed me they would start patrolling the area around those times from now on to see whats going on. I dont know exactly what happened but they took him away the next day and problem is solved, we were informed he was arrested for other matters and they actually thanked us for reporting it. No crime was commited in our case, but the backing from the police to prevent something drastic happening was there. Another reason to back my feelings of cops will do there job the best they can, they will cut there losses on problems they feel they cant resolve effeciently. Im happy with that, steal my car oh well Ill get another one, Im more worried about people being harmed and more serious crime prevention. Hopefully tomorrow Ill wake up and we will live in a crime free society.
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Yah know what wobbles.. you don't seem to get it.. there was stuff with names and addresses in my car... They should have at least followed up on that to find out if those people had stuff stolen.
The words of the "officer" were. "I'm gonna throw most of this stuff out"
Yeah... that really helps a lot.. Throwing evidence out.
I am not saying that they should spend a ton of time and money... just that they follow up on the stuff that was in the car that had specific information on it.
Oh, and I do vote. If stuff like increasing funding for the police and whatnot comes up.. I vote for it.
'81 280ZX-N/A 2+2 - stolen on 11-9-2006 :-( - recovered 11-13-2006 :-D
'77 280 - now back to being my project car.
'76 280 2+2 - parts car - slowly being stripped
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Maybe they ran the names on that stuff before they contacted you to come get the car? Maybe more then one officer was handling the issue and the one you spoke too was just the second officer there wrapping it up. Maybe they contacted the person who owned the backpack and they said "Just toss it". Maybe they have the info from the books and are gave it to some detectives. Traffic cops dont pursue crimes, they are just traffic cops. Too many maybes to justify whether their actions are justified or not.
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yeah i love how the people with Fraternal Order of Police badges on the car tags don't get pulled over for speeding. these people are sometimes just family members or whatever of actual cops, must be nice to live in the "I love the traffic cop" society. i really really love how cops tailgate people around here, and i don't mean to read tags, its very unsafe and stressful for the person in front of them, cause they know if that cop tags their rear bumper they will not win that "whose fault is it" battle. if a car was stolen in my small town it would probably make the paper but thats not the point. you want tougher laws and more funding for the cops? start enforcing the laws we have now. i believe car theft is a felony.
82 NA 5 spd
77 4 spd
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How do you know that people with those Fraternal Order of Police badges dont get pulled over? Maybe they tailgate so they can get a better look inside the car, or perhaps see if they can get a "nervous" reaction from the driver, which does happen alot and leads to many of many arrests from people up to no good. Car theft is a felony in many cases, different states I believe have different laws. Some states I believe will charge car theft depending on the persons record. I guess its the hip thing to bash cops, sorry you wont find it here, and believe me Ive had my run-ins with cops before in my past. Actually Ive been charged with assault on an officer before, not like that matters, but it may put a slight edge to the understanding that Im not some wannabe police officer just saying what ever cause Im in love with cops. Guess its just the cool and hip thing to bash the law. Hey, all Im trying to do is give my oppinion on the circumstances involved in Ethans debacle and maybe shed a little light, of course from my own viewpoint. Hate the cops I dont care, but Im pretty darn sure you will be calling 911 and looking for some help the next time you have a major problem.
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Send Walter Sobchak over his house to tell the kid, "You're entering a world of pain."
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yeah i think what Ethan did was call the cops when he needed them and they just brought his car back on a tow truck and said here ya go. "Maybe they won't get it from ya again little guy." Oh and God forbid you shoot someone trying to steal your car, that'll get you sued by the thief if they make it and thrown in jail. i don't hate cops by any means, i usually get along with them very well and they have cut me slack several times when i could have gotten big tickets, and i got the point from them. and i dunno about you but when someone tailgates me in city traffic i'm hoping i don't have to hit my brakes hard, especially with my wife in the car. like i said, unsafe. by the way, whats the point of an FOP badge if ya don't use it to your advantage to drive faster than everyone else?
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by the way Ethan, if you're looking for any zx parts let me know, i might can hook ya up with what you are looking for free, i have 2 79 2+2 silver doors and a silver hatch in storage from a 2+2 with black panels that i need to get rid of for free. they are just taking up space, good glass, and rust free last time i checked.
82 NA 5 spd
77 4 spd
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steveosupremeo - exactly.
Hmmm.. about the parts... I don't think I need a hatch or doors... nothing wrong with mine... I really could use a valance though... and the pieces on either side of the valance.
'81 280ZX-N/A 2+2 - stolen on 11-9-2006 :-( - recovered 11-13-2006 :-D
'77 280 - now back to being my project car.
'76 280 2+2 - parts car - slowly being stripped
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If the cops actually brought the car back to him on a tow truck, I would piss my pants twice then lick it clean. Goes to show how much we think we know.
"by the way, whats the point of an FOP badge if ya don't use it to your advantage to drive faster than everyone else?" Put one on your car I guess and never get a ticket. Let me ask you this, Whats the point of putting on a NYFD badge if you never storm into a burning high-rise?
If you want to debate this stuff fine, but dont act so silly to the point where I loose interest.
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im with ethan on this...
everytime i drive... theres a cop up my ass...
i do the speed limit, all of my lights work, i have bumpers again, i got my exhaust fixed (2 modded exhaust tickets... and it looks bone stock... pretty quiet too)... while mud trucks get to run open headers.... and i dont drive carelessly...
so wtf??
the other night i was pulled over for having my tag lights "out", and my exhaust (why i slapped a muffler from an 83 in the back)... he then proceeded to search me, pull my (black) friend out of the car and search him, and then asked to searh the Z.
i had nothing to hide... so i said F^%$ it....go for it buddy.
and he tore the sh*t outta my stuff... and didnt even bother putting anything back.
and before he left... i noticed that my taillights WORKED (i knew this the whole time... just did all of my lights last week).
so i said .... "officer...btw... my talilights work... look"
and he studdered and replied "they must have been flickering on and off... they were off when i pulled up behind you"
B.S..
i shoulda got that mother@^*#@'$ badge number, and written a complaint.
its so frustrating... and theres nothing we can do about it. everytime i see those lights, or interceptors for that matter... i get creeped out.
and check this... la260z drives around with no bumpers, no muffler (3in straight through), right next to cops and doesnt get crap...
but hes white, and im asian... and look hispanic (a little bit).
profiling i tell ya.
its like where they could be doing more things to help out the community, or following up on people who break into houses (my sister's) and leave stuff there (school id...)..and not do jack about it.
they have better things to do... like give me tickets for obeying the law.
77Z- (mfg. 7/77)
"Arm-chair Autox'er"
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Your profiling the cop for thinking hes profiling you..sounds odd yeah?
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just a wee-bit.
im not calling them all a-holes... cuz i have run into the nice cop, or the one who will take the time to point you in the right direction when lost (road trip cross country), and such... but there are still the many... like KPD.
on another note, wheres the probable cause for searching the car??
and i love when they pull you over for no apparent reason, and then search around your car for a paticular reason to have you pulled over. why i got a ticket for my taglites... which is why i make sure all of my crap works on my crappy car.
77Z- (mfg. 7/77)
"Arm-chair Autox'er"
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Ethan, i have a brand new center valance and right hand corner for a zx that i got from Black Dragon when they were victoria british. they are plain black and just stamped sheet metal. if you are interested let me know and we can work something out cheap cause i dunno what shipping would be, not to much i wouldn't think.
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77 4 spd
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"everytime i drive... theres a cop up my ass...and then asked to searh the Z. "
NEVER say yes to a search if they "ask" first. If they have to ask, just say no since you are stopped for a lighing issue. Work only the reason for the traffic stop, nothing more. If the lights work, bid the officer a good night and ask to leave.
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yeah Hybrid but I tell you what will happen...if you say no to a search they will detain you till they get a search warrant...saying no to a search just adds to the hassle....doesn't matter if you are hiding something or not...I have never heard of a cop just asking someone if its ok to search and then the drivers says "no" and the cop says...."well alrighty then!"...
You say no to a search....they WILL search anyhow...it may take hours for them to get a judge to grant a search and you will be sittin there like an idiot...
This happened to me once and I have known a few other people who have said no to a search and they just hold you until they get a search warrant...just let em search!...get it over with...
1976 280z 2+2 - Risen from the dead - garaged since 1988. Pallnet Fuel Rail and guage - ES rack and front bushings - 260Z 4Speed - Arizona Z Car Clutch - H4 Lights - Lots more to come...
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Thanks to the genius Bush they really don't have to get a warrent to search your car anymore.
You should just talk with the DA and present the evidence or cut your losses. Sometimes it's just more hassle than it's worth.
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steveosupremeo - e-mail me at ethan@bmpus.com and let me know how much you want for the valance and the right corner.
Oh... when they called me, I asked them if I could come pick up the car right then... They said no because they were having it towed to a yard (not even a yard that they owned... a yard of a towing company). They said I would have to come pick it up the next day.
So, when I get over there to pick up my car, they slap me with a $170 towing bill before they would let me have my car back.
'81 280ZX-N/A 2+2 - stolen on 11-9-2006 :-( - recovered 11-13-2006 :-D
'77 280 - now back to being my project car.
'76 280 2+2 - parts car - slowly being stripped
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I work in the news and we'd eat this crap up if the cops wouldn't follow a PLAINLY OBVIOUS lead like a book with a name and address left by the car jackers. If they don't follow it up that is, and call the news station and talk to the reporters (not the front desk lady) and you should have some nice ammo to bully the cops into doing their job. Or get your ass arrested for being a terrorist.
1972 240z w/L28, tokico shocks and springs, and a 5 speed waiting. Also running high performance ultra mega blinker fluid, that's at least an extra 50hp to the wheels.
1987 Toyota Supra Turbo 5-speed. Belongs to me until my friend get's back from Iraq.
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"if you say no to a search they will detain you till they get a search warrant"
If they are asking, then they don't have "probable cause" they only have "resonable suspicion". They cannot search based on resonable suspicion. Just you saying "no" does not escalate it to probable cause and they need to get a warrant. If cops are bugging you all the time then why not waste their time in getting a warrant? Just go through the motions twice and then SUE for harrasment. Just getting upset gets you nowhere.
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Unfortunately the 4th amendment means nothing anymore...I have witnessed this myself and know of 4 other people who have had the same thing happen...don't take my word for it..just say no the first time they ask to search....be sure and have a copy of War and Peace handy so you have something to read while they get that warrant...I don't need to prove this because most people who have said no will tell you the same thing...they will get a warrant....end of story. Suing will get you nowhere as the cop will just make something up to fit the situation...they do what they want to do..end of story...
1976 280z 2+2 - Risen from the dead - garaged since 1988. Pallnet Fuel Rail and guage - ES rack and front bushings - 260Z 4Speed - Arizona Z Car Clutch - H4 Lights - Lots more to come...
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"Unfortunately the 4th amendment means nothing anymore"
Sure the 4th means something (obviously it does since a search warrant IS required) and yes it also ties up the cops for hours on end as well. They don't like wasting time either so the only way to stop this garbage is to just say 'no" enough times. Start binding up the cops long enough and they will get the message.
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yeah thats true Hybrid...seems like that kind of thing happens alot more in smaller towns than big cities...more with town cops than sheriffs officers...even less with State Troopers who are the best cops there are if you ask me..
1976 280z 2+2 - Risen from the dead - garaged since 1988. Pallnet Fuel Rail and guage - ES rack and front bushings - 260Z 4Speed - Arizona Z Car Clutch - H4 Lights - Lots more to come...
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Ah, yea you're probably right. I live in a bigger town and cops don't seem to have the time to waste, it seems like they want to write as many tickets as possible per hour so traffic stops are damn fast. Maybe in small towns the cops have more time to mess with ya?
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yeah exactly..I lived in Wichita KS for 17 years and the few times I was ever pulled over they were always friendly and had a good reason to stop me (brake light out, etc). Big city cops have a much harder job...not many gang members here in Tazewell, Virginia...unless you include the Klan....lol
1976 280z 2+2 - Risen from the dead - garaged since 1988. Pallnet Fuel Rail and guage - ES rack and front bushings - 260Z 4Speed - Arizona Z Car Clutch - H4 Lights - Lots more to come...
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I think the KKK counts as a gang. In Reno cops don't search too often unless you offer them up a reason to. When I had my old job I was leaving work with a bunch of holiday boxes of booze in my car (no bottles just the glasses that they come with because I was moving and needed free glasses) and the cop didn't search my car. He asked for my ID 3 times and asked my age 4 times but didn't search my car. And to boot he had pulled me over for running an imaginary stop sign at an intersection that didn't exist.
1972 240z w/L28, tokico shocks and springs, and a 5 speed waiting. Also running high performance ultra mega blinker fluid, that's at least an extra 50hp to the wheels.
1987 Toyota Supra Turbo 5-speed. Belongs to me until my friend get's back from Iraq.