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Nut bag in a HonDUH runs over 14 people!!!!
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/29/BAGAEKRCO55.DTL
Up to 14 hurt in SF hit-and-run spree 7 critical; driver believed to have struck, killed a man in Fremont earlier
15:20 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- As many as 14 people were injured this afternoon by a motorist who drove around San Francisco running them down before he was arrested, authorities said.
Seven of those injured were in critical condition, police and firefighters said.
Authorities have identified the man who was arrested as Ohmeed Aziz Popal, who has an address in Ceres.
Authorities said they believe Popal was the same driver who ran over a 55-year-old man walking in a bicycle lane in Fremont, at Fremont Boulevard near Ferry Lane, just after noon. That victim died.
Popal was arrested at a Walgreens at Spruce and California streets.
In San Francisco, the attacks began around 1 p.m., but it was unclear in what order:
• Two people, one of them a child, were critically injured around by a sport-utility vehicle on the 3500 block of California Street in the Richmond District.
• Three people were hit at California and Fillmore streets. Witnesses said they included a man with a broken hip and a woman with a gashed head.
• Two people were seriously hurt at Bush and Pierce streets and one person was seriously injured at Bush and Buchanan streets, police said. One person suffered minor injuries in an incident at 1850 Fillmore Street.
• Two other people suffered minor injuries when they were hit at Pine at Divisadero streets, and another two were hit and suffered minor injuries at Divisadero and Bush Street.
"It was like 'Death Race 2000,' " firefighter Danny Bright said at California and Fillmore streets, as an ambulance stood nearby. "Guys were walking down the sidewalk and the guy just came up and ran them over. The guy went crazy.''
Fire Lt. Mindy Talmadge said Mayor Gavin Newsom had been notified and was coordinating the response with the command post at Spruce and California streets.
This afternoon, Newsom left City Hall saying he was en route to a hospital -- presumably San Francisco General, where seven people had been admitted.
"Eleven people were hurt in the field, and police are still finding others," said Lann Wilder, a spokeswoman for San Francisco General Hospital.
Of those, six adults and one child were being treated for blunt trauma at S.F. General, she said.
Wilder did not comment on the patients' conditions, but said she would provide further details later this afternoon.
Three people were taken to St. Francis Hospital, one to Kaiser and two others California Pacific Medical Center, Wilder said.
One victim, Pedro Aglugov, 70, was sitting at a table at a sidewalk cafe at California and Fillmore with his head bandaged with gauze, holding an ice pack to one elbow.
"He was going real fast," Aglugov said of the driver. "I was lucky I wasn't hurt more.''
Eliseo Billones Jr., 24, a canvasser for Greenpeace, was standing on the corner when Aglugov was hit.
"He was going berserk," Billones said of the driver. "It was a red light and he just ran the red light. I saw him (Aglugov) hit the corner of the bumper and tumble.''
Barclay Lynn, 39, of San Francisco, said she and a friend were driving east on Bush when they saw a black SUV driving away and saw a motorcyclist who had been hit.
"The motorcyclist stood in the intersection trying to signal the driver to stop,'' Lynn said. The SUV then "went speeding in reverse on Bush heading west, weaving in and out of traffic. The whole right side of his SUV was smashed in.''
At Frankie's Bohemian Cafe at Divisadero and Pine, a man named William, who asked that his last name not be used, said he was walking south on Divisadero when "we heard the thump, turned around, saw bodies flying.''
He described the vehicle as a black Honda Pilot SUV that looked new and had a windshield that was shattered on the right side.
The driver went down Pine and Bush, "stood on the gas,'' then a couple of minutes later "came flying up through the bus lane'' headed north on Divisadero.
After hearing that the driver had been arrested, William said, "Unfortunately, they didn't shoot him right on the spot.''
Another man at the cafe, Max Bran, said, "We thought he was going to stop and give up, but instead he just stepped on the gas. It didn't matter, regardless of the lights.''
He saw a woman knocked down. "She was just crossing the street, just crossing the street," he said. "In fact, I had just crossed the street.''
The two men said someone who had been at the cafe earlier picked up a license plate from the SUV.
Authorities believe the same suspect struck and killed a pedestrian in Fremont earlier today.
That victim was walking north on Fremont Boulevard in the bicycle lane when he was struck from behind and knocked several feet into a field, Fremont Officer Alan Zambonin said.
He was pronounced dead at the scene. The black SUV, a Honda described as a Pilot or a CRV, made no attempt to stop or help the victim, police said.
The vehicle had right front end damage and a shattered windshield.
Zambonin said one witness saw the collision from about 1,000 feet away, then stopped to try to help the man, who was already dead.
Zambonin estimated the SUV was going as fast as 50 mph and sped away with a blown out windshield.
"It's a good possibility (the incidents) are all connected,'' Zambonin said.
Chronicle staff writers Vanessa Hua, Matt Stannard, Wyatt Buchanan, Jill Tucker, Nanette Asimov, Cecilia Vega and Susan Sward contributed to this report.
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anyone up for a game of grand theft auto??
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Grand Theft Auto Video Game....
My thoughts exactly.
That's why I don't ride road bike on the street (by myself) anymore. Too many crazy people in this world, especially in Cali.....of course.
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You just want to run 'em all down, I guess.
Next thing you know, they will be calling it a "Hate Crime" because he was using an SUV (curiously they mention that several times...)
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Of course it is a hate crime. That dosn't sound like an act of love.
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Throw him under the jail as far as i'm concerned... Too bad it didn't happen here in Texas, we'd fry that p.o.s. for sure!!!
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Give him a fair trial -
then take four cars and four ropes -
is the old fashioned drawing and quartering cruel and unusual -
if so - Good!
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Another example of why every citizen on the street needs to carry and know how to use a gun.
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Where's Jack Thompson?
We can finally get that GTA game of the streets...
All kidding aside, you gotta be one messed up dude to do some sh!t like that. I think the four rope idea would be appropriate.
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Yeah no sense in having a trial in my opinion.
Just run the sumbitch over VERY SLOWLY with a paving machine roller!!
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12.804 @ 107.26 mph on crappy street tires with Dual SU Powered 2.9L Stroker!
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> Another example of why every citizen on the street needs to carry and
> know how to use a gun.
Have you seen Californians drive? Now you wanna give them guns too?
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"Have you seen Californians drive? Now you wanna give them guns too?"
leo87na, READ the article before saying something completely dumb. This WAS a California driver that needed to be stopped.
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now californians will be shooting and running people over with hybrids stupid dream, sthu hybrid just sthu
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Datto240z, you sure has a low opinion of people.
AFAIK the bad people in the world already DO have guns, SUV's, whatever.
I'm just saying that good people have yet another reason to "carry".
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> leo87na, READ the article before saying something completely dumb.
> This WAS a California driver that needed to be stopped.
Yeah...no... that was my point. The average Californian drives only *marginally* better than this guy who went on a killing spree, now you want to hand out guns to the rest of them? At least wait until I move out of the state.
I don't trust a Californian making a left turn on a yield green, I certainly won't trust their aim with a handgun in a panic situation.
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leo87na , You did not READ my comment either. I don't wan't to hand out guns. My point is that crazy people already DO have the means to hurt/kill RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE this crazy/evil guy went on a killing spree is a reason for good and sane and innocent people to think about protecting themselves. If sane and good and innocent people would carry and learn how to use a gun then society is safer.
It's truely bizzare to even consider lowering ones gaurd after a tradgedy.
To quote the Boy Scout motto: Be prepared.
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im with erzelda on this one. only make it part of the driving test- question # 8 what was the guys name that was pulled apart for killing people with his car?
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> leo87na , You did not READ my comment either. I don't wan't to hand
> out guns. My point is that crazy people already DO have the means to
> hurt/kill RIGHT NOW.
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> BECAUSE this crazy/evil guy went on a killing spree is a reason for good
> and sane and innocent people to think about protecting themselves. If
> sane and good and innocent people would carry and learn how to use a > gun then society is safer.
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> It's truely bizzare to even consider lowering ones gaurd after a tradgedy.
> To quote the Boy Scout motto: Be prepared.
Good sane and innocent people have already thought about protecting themselves. They have decided that they will pay a force of completely trained good sane and innocent people to protect them, calling these group of people oh say, a police force.
You're are right though, if sane and good and innocent people learned how to use guns then yeah, society would be safer. However, I say that "learned how to use guns" in order to properly use them in such a panic situation means years of initial training and ongoing training, including college courses and classes on law and law enforcement, and tactical training.
If you are proposing that every citizen go through such training, you can go ahead and defend this notion. But what I don't want to see is a bunch of jerks who go hunting every Spring and to the range every once in a while who think all of a sudden that they are Dirty Harry, able to shoot at a moving car in the middle of a city street with people screaming and running for their lives.
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People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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"Good sane and innocent people have already thought about protecting themselves. They have decided that they will pay a force of completely trained good sane and innocent people to protect them, calling these group of people oh say, a police force. "
Yeah, leo, that's it.
Take a look at the TERRIBLE crime statistics in the U.K. to prove what you wrote there is TOTALLY INEFFECTIVE!
Gun Control and removing arms from LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS has been PROVEN over and over and over (and the most glaring and recent example is Australia) that doing so causes and INCREASE in Crimes!
Were ONE person there able to plant ONE round in this idiot, it would have been over then and there. To argue otherwise defies logic.
Then again, the anti-gun stance is an emotional stance anyway, unjustified by statistics or logical, rational, thinking.
WHERE WERE THE COPS LEO? WHERE WERE THEY AFTER THE FIRST INCIDENT? It's a specious argument. The cops can't be EVERYWHERE, the CITIZENS are responsible for their own safety.
If they aren't, they are SHEEP, and deserve to be slaughtered as such.
Ask any criminal! Especially if they know you aren't going to shoot back!
<EDIT> BTW, Leo, you obviously have absolutely no idea about firearms, and that is sad---your ignorance leads to your position. Ask any Marine that went through boot camp in the 50's. Hitting a moving target takes less than 24 hours of training with the "Quick Kill" method. Hitting a moving target like an SUV I would posit would take all of about 2 hours at a range, and probably less than 500 rounds cycled through the firearm. Any person putting a round through the radator alone would have ended it FAR quicker than what happened---they wouldn't even need to hit the driver.
One shot to the radiator, a rim, or to the driver, and this situation would have ended FAR better than it did.
Now, let's go down the anti-firearm path a bit further, shall we? SUV's kill people, so let's restrict and ban them in cities. I'm sure SUV owners will say "SUV's don't kill people, people kill people!"
Your logic will dictate that we ban SUV's, while mine will say "shoot the idiot in the seat, because, indeed, SUV's don't kill people, DISTURBED PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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"Good sane and innocent people have already thought about protecting themselves. ...,calling these group of people oh say, a police force. "
Ah...
And WHERE was this "police force" when this guy was mowing down good and decent people in this case? Police forces are a passive entity, they only arrive AFTER something bad has already taken place.
That's the point I made, just waiting for the police (or for this maniac to run out of gas) is not a way for society to protect itself from the bad elements. Asking good people to simply be "targets" for bad destructive people is serious loonacy.
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> he was using an SUV (curiously they mention that several times...)
To be fair, they may be making a note of that because your average SUV weighs quite a bit more than your average car......
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Better search some automotive or Honda forums before you make an ignorant assumption.
It's a V6 powered slug that weight just a tad over 4000#, less than a 1977 Impala for sure, and within a few hundred pounds of what passes for "sports cars" these days!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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An Armed Society is a Polite society.
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any vehicle misused become a weapon of terror, this guy n his 13 layers should be put to sleep!
Have you shared the left lane today?