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i read in the classiczcar page that a guy found the #00002 240z... is this truth???
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Well it makes sence, I have #1
1990 RS Camao (Ya i know im getting a Z but i still love my Camaro!)
2002 Z28 LS1 T56 yes its fast no you cant drive it!
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Number 00003 is in my back yard rusting.
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'74 260Z
'88 300ZX GLL
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A friend of mine has either 40 or 400. Can't remember which one. Like above, it is sitting in a field.
John
77280Z (Spooky), 83ZXT (Garage Queen), 86ZXT (Bulldog).
Proud owner of 10/03 Z car of the month.
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He must live in Japan... I call B.S.!!!
Background Info:
Z Cars HLS30 00001, 00002, 00003, 00004, 00005
It is reported that these chassis numbers never left the factory. They were used as Production Mules then disassembled to verify the quality of welds and assembly processes etc.. Then they may have been used in destructive tests for U.S. NHTSA Certification Cars (crash tested then destroyed).
Z Cars HLS30 00006, 00007 and 00008
Were not on the first shipload, but rather were sent ahead to be put on the Auto Show Circuit, and to be used for photo sessions by the automotive press.
Being very early production models, 6,7, & 8 were not to be sold to the public, but rather were diverted for use within the competition program after their use at the National / International Car Show circuit and for photo opportunities with the automotive press.
Bob Sharp has said that #00006 was a Dark Green car, it was the first Z Car he received. The car was pulled off the show car circuit because a model sat on the roof and dented it while on display at the Toronto Auto Show. Z Car #00008 is believed to be the car featured on R&T's Jan. 70 Cover. (the mag. was on the newsstands in Dec. of 1969!).
Where Are They Now?
Z Car #HLS30 00006:,currently owned by Dr.Allen Robins of SharpSite Racing.
Z Car #HLS30 00007: currently owned by Ron Cooke in L/A...
Z Car #HLS30 00008: currently owned by Dr. Tom Bork and raced in Vintage Events.
Z Car #HLS30 00009, 00010, 00011, 00012, 00013, 00014, 00015
None of these cars have been found to date, and it is quite likely that they were not released from the factory. According to Nissan Motors, they usually do not release any of the first twenty to twenty five cars produced, when starting the assembly of a completely new model.
Rumor has it that #00009 - #00015 were sent to Nissan Canada for cold weather testing. These cars were not completed production units - but rather were test mules. Nissan Canada is rumored to have simply stored them away somewhere.
Given the importance of the Z Car to the U.S. Market, and the tremendous demand for cars from the Dealers and Public, that usual number retained by the factory, was cut back to at least the sixteenth car (HLS30 00016), for it was sold to the public and has been located.
Thus it would appear, at the present time, that Z Cars HLS30 00016 through HLS30 00036 would logically have been the twenty cars on that first shipload to the U.S.A..
However, appearances can be misleading. There is a compounding factor at play here. Even though the chassis serial numbers are sequential - that does not mean that they came out of the production process in a sequential order. Some bodies were held up when assembly problems had to be fixed, and thus the cars could have been set aside for later repair and later completion. Indeed some may not have made it out of the factory at all.
So how or where do we draw the line that determines which cars really were on the first shipload to the U.S.? The answer may be found in an additional factor or two. One being the original engine serial number, the other the Date of Manufacturer stamped on the car upon completion. Because finished bodies were mated to the engine and suspension at the end of the assembly line, and because groups of engines were delivered to the assembly line in pretty much sequential order - the original engines installed in the cars, and therefore their serial numbers, may give us a clue as to which cars actually came out of the plant first.
As the story goes, and as it was reported at the time (1970), the first shipload of cars had crankshafts that had only six full counterweights. This design caused a problem in the very early race cars (both at BRE and BSR) when the vibration in these cranks broke clutches and flywheels, during races. Buy the time the race teams figured out that they had a harmonic balance related problem, the factory had already corrected it both in the racing applications and the stock cars. It was at that point that BRE and BSR were told that only the first full shipload of cars to the U.S. had that older crank shaft design. The newer crank shafts had eight full counterweights.
So what engine numbers were involved? Engines with serial numbers greater than L24 003607 received the newer design crankshafts.
So Here Are The Cars In The Hands Of The Public That We Have Found So Far, Which May Have Been On That First Limited Shipload...
00016 - Jim Frederick, Lutz, FLorida (Tampa Bay Area)
00017 - John LaMaide, Lisle, Ill.
00018 - not found yet
00019 - Jim Frederick, Lutz, FLorida (Tampa Bay Area)
00020 - Carl Beck, Clearwater,Florida
00023 - Michael Spreadbury, Corvallis, Oregon
00029 - Jerry Purcell
00033 thru 00035 - not found yet...
00036 - Adrian Di Piazza, Canada
00037 - Mick Dowdy, Upton,Wy
Note: Of the first 500 Z Cars produced in Oct., Nov., and Dec. of 1969, an amazing 22% (113 cars) have been found to be still in existence at this point.
For more information related to the 1969 Production 240-Z's see "Locating The Remaining 1969 Production Year Z Cars"
77 280Z with SBC, 700R4, Vette C4 IRS W/11.5 rear disk, Centerlines 16x9.5 W/BF G 245x45ZR Comp T/A Rear and 15x7 Ft W/BF Goodrich Euro 225x15 on ft. Soon to have Coleman 12.2x1.25, x-drilled, zinc plated, Rotors W/Billet Outlaw 4000. Z U V8ter
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http://zhome.com/History/69ZArticle.html
1976 280Z
Draw-Through Turbo, 10 PSI, 4 Bbl Holley, E88, L28 (Flat), 10:1 CR, 5 Spd
1974 Corvette Stingray:
350, 400 Automatic, T-Tops, 8.5:1 CR, 78,000 Miles
1994 Acura Integra:
1.8L, 5 Spd, 189,000 and Counting!
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cool info cyind thanks!
Z's are like woman maintenance,maintenance,maintenance!
1971 240Z gunmetal metalic 5sp 4:11 gears in the rear
illuminas and purchased from the original owner w/136k original miles
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http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18120
--Denver 6-29-1999 1st post.
82 280zxt 4 spd auto
73 240z--lsd, cv axles
ferget donations, I'm into blackmail.
spindle pin puller for sale.
I can't believe some people spend $15 on shifter bushings in the B trans
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Yeah I have also read multiple sources stating they were tested for safety and destroyed. #s 1-5.
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Though I have personally seen #6, #36, and #51 for sure!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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The car that is the subject of this thread is a S30 (JDM) car not a HLS30 (USA) car.
And he and the Z live in Japan.
Post Edited (Aug 29, 7:51pm)
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funny how it seems people looked over the fact it was s30 and not hls30. ;-)
--Denver 6-29-1999 1st post.
82 280zxt 4 spd auto
73 240z--lsd, cv axles
ferget donations, I'm into blackmail.
spindle pin puller for sale.
I can't believe some people spend $15 on shifter bushings in the B trans
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Where is #6 Tony? What history does it have I wonder? What is it's condition? It would be cool just to see.
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a dude down here in fl has #26 and #27... i know that.
hes on classiczcars.com.. his name is 26thZ...or something like that.
77Z- (mfg. 7/77)
"Arm-chair Autox'er"
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"i read in the classiczcar page that a guy found the #00002 240z... is this truth???"
And I REPEAT:
DOUBTFUL!
It is NOT a 240Z, it is a FAIRLADY 240Z: a different animal altogether.
Syntax and semantics DO make a difference when distinguishing between models, wether it is an Export model or Domestic model (or for that matter being an HS30, an EXPORT HS30----which is very doubtful, indeed!)
I am sure Alan has weighed in on the thread and set the record straight in regards to the JDM aspect of the post.
But again, as posted here, and quoted above, I stand by what I said.
Doubtful...
On an aside, the above history is generally correct regarding EXPORT vehicles. The vehicles I mentioned seeing firsthand were EXPORT vehicles. The lowest S30 VIn I have personally seen here in the USA is #238, and while in Japan, 435, 417, 630.
I personally own S30 6225, and HLS30 6330... 238 was a rust bucket when I saw it, and woe be to the poor bastard who put his hooks into it when it was up for sale.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Sorry, my first post said HS30 when in actuality it is an S30 car. (I corrected it)
Go here and you can see pics of the car. It needs ALOT of help!
http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18120
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It still says a 240Z in the body and that is what I called BS on!
77 280Z with SBC, 700R4, Vette C4 IRS W/11.5 rear disk, Centerlines 16x9.5 W/BF G 245x45ZR Comp T/A Rear and 15x7 Ft W/BF Goodrich Euro 225x15 on ft. Soon to have Coleman 12.2x1.25, x-drilled, zinc plated, Rotors W/Billet Outlaw 4000. Z U V8ter
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I got all the parts to fix that poor thing to... Hope someone fixes it or sells it to me!!hehehe
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NO! It is NOT a 240Z, it is not a Fairlady 240 Z, it is a FAIRLADYZ.
This could possibly be the earliest S30 in existence.
I would restore it, it's not that bad all considered, it is extremely rare find, but there is NO WAY IN HELL it is a 240Z.
It's a FAIRLADY Z, different animal, not a 240Z at all...
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Yeah I caught that and I meant to say I have all the body part stuff to fix the roof, rockers, fenders, hood, floors, rails, and doors. .
And #2 had AC...
I still want it, but I wouldn't pay to much for it...
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Tony, how can you tell? I'd like to know because it's really interesting.
1976 280Z
Draw-Through Turbo, 10 PSI, 4 Bbl Holley, E88, L28 (Flat), 10:1 CR, 5 Spd
1974 Corvette Stingray:
350, 400 Automatic, T-Tops, 8.5:1 CR, 78,000 Miles
1994 Acura Integra:
1.8L, 5 Spd, 189,000 and Counting!
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Vin is not from a US vehicle. US vehicles came with HLS30 or RLS30 for first gen cars. So S30 was not for the US market.
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"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
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"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant, excepting Alice"
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Well...it doesn't look THAT bad...
1976 280Z
Draw-Through Turbo, 10 PSI, 4 Bbl Holley, E88, L28 (Flat), 10:1 CR, 5 Spd
1974 Corvette Stingray:
350, 400 Automatic, T-Tops, 8.5:1 CR, 78,000 Miles
1994 Acura Integra:
1.8L, 5 Spd, 189,000 and Counting!
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I've owned worse....
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
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"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant, excepting Alice"
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LOL for real DMS? is that thing really salvagable?
73' 240z: F54 4.2L, OS Giken LY DOHC Crossflow head, 17:3comp.ratio, N33, Tripple SU's, T10 Hybrid Draw-Through TT @ 47pds, Roots&Centrifugal Type supercharger, 3-2-1 headers, Centerforce 4 clutch, 6oz flywheel, R300 differential, Super-Hicas
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Is it really an automatic?
1978 280Z Turbo MS
1981 280ZXT - scrapyard
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with that serial number I'd say so.
1972 240z w/L28, tokico shocks and springs, and a 5 speed waiting. Also running high performance ultra mega blinker fluid, that's at least an extra 50hp to the wheels.
1987 Toyota Supra Turbo 5-speed. Belongs to me until my friend get's back from Iraq.
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LOL,
That's REALLY rare to have an auto tranny in the first "sports car".
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I owned the shuttle car for the Sea Side Nissan dealership... 72 240z that sat feet away from Monterey Bay all its life until 2003... REALLY Rusty..
It would be really cool to have a real Fairlady, and it would be even cooler to have one of the early ones!
Hopefully Tony can chim back in here and lecture us on the vin ID stuff related to "S30", "RLS30", and "HLS30" and what they actually mean other than S30... How can you tell an autobox by the vin?
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Post Edited (Aug 30, 3:39pm)
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Here you have what the 'experts' would misterm a "Series 1" car, and arguably you can't get much earlier than this vehicle.
It has:
AIRCONDITIONING IN THE DASHBOARD
AN AUTOMATIC
The problems I see with the car-vs-VIN based on my observations of Fairlady Z's in country:
Wrong 1/4 panels (they have vents, should have a solid C-Pillar)
Wrong rear floor (has cargo bins, should have tools and jack on floor behind seats with solid floor)
Wrong Differential setup (it's the later model setup, could have been changed by a dealer for the vibration though...)
Wrong center console (sould have hand-throttle)
Looks like the wrong clock (should have the early rally clock for a JDM car)
Wish the photos were better, I would like to see that closer. But I would kill to have several parts from that car for my 71 Fairlady Z, or sacrifice several of my cars to make that one whole again, "correct" or not!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Matter of fact, in Japan, the automatic was a big selling feature due to the traffic people would encounter. They had several badges for the automatic cars, from "Automatic" to "Nissan Full Automatic"
The S30 series was available (optionally) with an Automatic, Air Conditioning In-Dash (FACTORY INSTALLED, not a tack-on kit), and an LSD FROM DAY ONE OF PRODUCTION, and save for the LSD, this car PROVES that hands down, outside of the obvious factory documentation that exists...
if it had the factory AM/FM 8-Track and a verified OEM LSD installed, this would be probably one of the rarest S30's in existence, given that VIN!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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But the telltale fading around the Clutch Slave-Cylinder block off plate and wide brake pedal sure give it away, as well as several other things that would be visible if the guy knew what to take photos of when he was snapping htem!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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That thingie with the button on the right side at the top of the T.
Yup, that's an automatic Z car.
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Errrrrr Tony.......I do believe that is the correct console.
I saved both interior pics to MY Pics and enlarged them and you can clearly see the cig lighter mounted next to the fuse block and the two slots for the choke and throttle control. It even looks as if the throttle knob is still laying next to the slots, especially the shot with the green wire crap on the passenger side. In the other passenger side thru the door shot it looks as if it's directly under the choke lever.
However, the steering wheel is not correct.
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"That thingie with the button on the right side at the top of the T. "
Anyone can swap a tranny, the clues to look for are a bit more subtle than that.
There is some wiring, stuff under the car such as mounts, and that slave cylinder blockoff plate which is a bit more definitive than just a shift knob.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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At the photo with the yellow wire from the passenger's side.
The second slot has a blanking plate in it, and the choke knob has the buldge for the later vehicles, instead of the "straight side" that it would have if the console had the companion throttle lever installed (which you don't see in ANY of the photos).
Which the console may be proper for an early car, moonpup, the way it's outfitted is not!
Why am I saying this? Because I am looking at the console assembly from S30-00435....which I own and have photos of in my "archives"...
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Just rumor, but I have heard there was differences in the tranny tunnel mounts on the frame between autobox cars and manual cars... any truth there?
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On earlier cars, both use the "bolt up from the bottom" arrangement for the rear tranny x-member, while later there was a phase where the Autos Retained the "bolt up from the bottom" and the Standards used the "bolts front to back" arrangement.
To put a std tranny into an auto trans tunnel on the cars affected, you simply get an earlier mount for either transmission, and use it.
there is an intermediate insulator that aids in the aconversion as well.
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"