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I keep seeing the Michelin commercials on TV talking about an American Autombahn. We are all paying too much for fuel so why should we be able to drive as fast as we want? It would be great to have some high speed roads here in California and across the country. All the people that claim speed kills are just conformest going by what the government pounds into there brains (by the way I hate thoughs public safety commercials on TV, they are so stupid). People driving and talking on their cell phone are much more dangerous than speeders as I have had some of the cell user nerely plow into the car. I feel it is a safety issue having to watch the speedometer and look out for cops. We all do this even if we drive the speed limit. Also when a cop is not the freeway everyone jams on their brakes even if they are doing speed limit. We should be allowed to drive what is a comfortable fast speed and not have to watch the speedometer, at least on interstates an freeways. Guess I'm just ranting but what do you think.
Sweet 280z
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i think americans are to retared to drive fast. in germany, for all i know, you dont start driving till your 18 and the permit is very expensive. they believe in "drive right" where slower traffic will actully go to the right. i think americans are to bull headed to allow people to pass them, too much ego. not to mention all of the suvs that are on the road here. to paint a picture of the american autobahn would look like this. tahoes three abrest, speedo pegged at 110mph. with kids in the back see watching sponge bob, bouncing around. you would be behind them and flash your brights to signal "hey i wanna go faster" the next thing you'd see is a brake checking, selfrightious person who feels it is there duity to control how fast you go no matter what the legal speed may be.
thats just my $.02 and change.
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I believe Montana tried that a few years ago...I think they went back to a speed limit. The thought of the average American driver travelling at 100+ mph gives me chills...btw, I've been a part-time cop for twelve years, and I think speed does kill.
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...."People driving and talking on their cell phone are much more dangerous than speeders as I have had some of the cell user nerely plow into the car........."^^
I was in Atlanta over the weekend looking the weeks papers....
The Atlanta-Constitution newspaper comes out with quips like this:
"What's the difference between a drunk and a cell phone user?"
("The drunk is actually TRYING to stay on the road!")
...and by the way...saw no early Z's there in four days...one ad, same paper, for a '71 with "exc body, fair interior, 145K miles and an asking price of what? (....$12,000?) ...now I'm thinking mis-print or someone's asking for mu-lahhh peanuts!
Try shooting across South Dakota sometime.....that should be an autobahn....only not so curvy though, more hilly (speed, last I remember, was 75mph, so give or take a few, maybe the ticket won't be so drastic!)
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Twin Cities, Mn
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I see some of that already redttz. One thing that would be needed would be to use roads with more than 2 lanes on each side. SUVs (stupid useless vehicles according to one of my past teachers) already cause lots of crashes. My dad had one trying to pass a car on the other side of a two lane road (one lane per side) almost smack into him head on. It pulled back into its lane and went rolling off the road. Scary.
Sweet 280z
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"i think americans are to retared to drive fast. in germany, for all i know, you dont start driving till your 18 and the permit is very expensive. they believe in "drive right" where slower traffic will actully go to the right. i think americans are to bull headed to allow people to pass them, too much ego. not to mention all of the suvs that are on the road here. to paint a picture of the american autobahn would look like this. tahoes three abrest, speedo pegged at 110mph. with kids in the back see watching sponge bob, bouncing around. you would be behind them and flash your brights to signal "hey i wanna go faster" the next thing you'd see is a brake checking, selfrightious person who feels it is there duity to control how fast you go no matter what the legal speed may be"
^^^I fully agree with this entire post. I was in Germany from April of '89 til August of 91 when I graduated HS (Army brat) there.
It's true about the licensing for Germans. You have to be 18 and all of the classes and training to get your license costs upwards of around $2,000.
And if you are left lane squatting on the Autobahn and someone comes up and high beams you, you better get over because they think nothing of both 1. riding your ass until you get over OR 2. running over your ass if you think you are going to be smart and brake check them. And about 80-85% of vehicles over there have manual transmissions.
I thought what happened with Montana was that they weren't going to enforce the speed limit on their interstate highways and roads, but the gubmint wanted to be pricks and say that they wouldn't give the state any federal money for their roads unless they DID enforce the speed limit. Who knows.
God must love stupid people, he made SOOOOO many of them!
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The montana no speed limit thing actually proved that no speed limit, at least during the daytime, had a lower fatality rate than with posted speed limits. Check it out for yourself by search google with montana no speed limit. One site claimed it caused more people to buckle up. I don't know about all of you but drive long distance at a low speed limit tends to make your attention wander. When I have been driving fast I am watching everything that is going on around me. The government probably pulled the funding for Montana because the state weren't getting the money from all those speeding tickets.
Sweet 280z
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Primer is right, Montana had more fatalities when they had speed limits. Speed does not kill, it is much more related to road design, etc.
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Montana restored their speed limit because the government threated to pull their federal highway money. Thanks big brother.
1973 240Z 4 screw SU's, Tokico HP's, Toyota Calipers
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2006 Ural Gear-Up
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You know the real kicker????
Federal money is ACTUALLY state money that the bastards excessively confiscate through pay roll taxes and then they make the states do what they say in order to get their own residents damn money back!!
OUR GOVERNMENT SUCKS AZZ!!!!!!!!
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So is there anyone government or private group we can write to (annoy) to try and push something like this through. Just wondering even if it is just a slim chance. I actually read somewhere on google that the government likes the speed limits because higher fatality give them a means for population control. This wouldn't suprise me too much.
Sweet 280z
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Ah -
who's going to pay for this autobahn?
I'm (taxpayer) supporting enough idiots now.
Thank you.
Ed and Jeanne's
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1956 Dodge Royal (Dorothy)
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Too MUCH road rage to have Autobahns in the U.S.
Respect me this, respect me that, what-you think you're better than me, my cars better than yours, I'm faster, blah blah blah.
American attitudes, young inexperienced teen drivers, too easy of a driving test, etc., will never permit the construction of U.S. Autobahns.
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"i think americans are to retared to drive fast."
amazing! someone got out and said it. despite all of the "greatest country in the world" propaganda that makes people want to bleed red white and blue, someone spoke truth.
60 years ago, on a little twisty stretch of road, some guy came ripping through in his 1940's sedan (no airbags,no GPS, no ABS, no automatic tranny,no synchoed manual tranny,no disc brakes, no traction control, no seatbelts, no power steering, no crash rating,not even a GVW sticker) and ripped through that road sideways with a load of shine with ease.
today, that same road has caution lights, roadsigns, a dotted line, passing zones, guardrail, two extra lanes and a cross with fake flowers and the name of some dumba$$ that thought that he/she could drive inscripted upon it. my how times have changed.
If all were equal, none would be strong.
Ballistic,Ruler of Interstates
Stage XX+ 1993 Z32 NA
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Few years back was a similar post... Someone pointed out how much harder and more expensive it is to receive a license in Germany. Something like 5000bux for a license. I think the amazing TonyD also pointed out that many countries have a much more stringent license program than the states, such as Japan.
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another pork barrel project. Maybe Halliburton will land the contract.
Would you vote yourself a tax increase to pay for this, Primer?
From the very little bit I've read about the German version, it's clogged with Fiats and trucks, and the opportunity to actually hit "unlimited" speeds is extremely rare.
Good luck on your quest.
Maybe a blog will work for you.
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Yup we pay from our ass for a license.. aqnd driving in Germany or rurope for that matter ... shows that Americans drive diffrent ... when the avarange joe hops in his super duty pick up they enter their own world !! and cruise along on teh left lane .. i mean WTF ??? move right!!!! if you overtake on the right in europe you will PAY !!! In germany around teh airbases ... more accidents happen due to amaricans just swerving left .. and a Buimmer flying in at 200+ ... so the have speed limits around them now .. you wonder why ?
Im not saying you are worse drivers .. but conditioned diffrently!
You can sleep in your car, but cant drive in your house
if you are fully in control, you are not driving fast enough!
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Look at the history of the Autobahn -
Hitler had it built to stronger tolerances to move tanks and war supplies and use as landing strips if needed.
Of course our interstates were supposed to do that too - but the repairs between the two are something different.
So are the drivers and the congestion. The Autobahn is getting more crowded.
Ed and Jeanne's
ZXelda 1981 280 ZXT: ZXena 1990 300 ZX
1941 Buick Special Sedanette (Betty)
1956 Dodge Royal (Dorothy)
1971 Buick Riviera (Rita)
1975 Ford F-150 Stepside (Fiona)
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""i think americans are to retared to drive fast...We are all paying too much for fuel so why should we be able to drive as fast as we want? "
"amazing! someone got out and said it. despite all of the "greatest country in the world" propaganda that makes people want to bleed red white and blue, someone spoke truth."
And I think Americans are too retarded to even follow the rules of the language (much less drive) by defined rules. The money is obviously needed for the failing education system first.
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I do drive as fast as I want, especially in my Z06. Speed limits dont mean a whole lot to me especially on the freeways.
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I think one of the greatest habits Europeans use on the highways is the use of their hazard lights. If your flying down the road a 150 km+ and traffic starts to come to a hault, everyone puts their hazards on to warn the cars behind. This works really well; especially on the twisty roads of Italy.
As for the Autobahn being crowded; I had no problems maintaining 150+ all the way through Austria to Munich. Best part was I was in a Toyota Corolla 1.5. I only saw three of these the whole time I was in Europe.
Oh and Canadians (especially in Calgary) don't drive any better than our friends to the south. SUV's are a plague on our roads too.
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A 1.5L corolla will do 150mph sustained? Wow, my old 89 1.6L would do barely 105 on its best day but it is the american model and automatic.
Matt
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Oh no, thats 150 km or 94 mph.
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Agreed with briann510.....
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Iceman, I bet even with you doing almost 100mph, you still had cars passing you like you were standing still, huh?
I remember doing about 95 mph in a 78 BMW 320 when I was over there. I was just about to slow down to get off an exit and here comes this Porsche 928 in the fast lane and flew by me. He was out of my sight in less than 10 seconds. I estimated he was going about 120-150. It's wierd being passed like you are standing still going 100+ over there.
God must love stupid people, he made SOOOOO many of them!
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There was a program on one of the Discovery cable channels a few weeks ago regarding the Autobaun.
One of the key points is that German engineers figured out that long straight stretches of superslab allowed people's attention to wander, thus contributing to accidents. The accident rate diminished on curvey terrain following stretches so they modified their design strategy to include more curves and elevation changes.
Also, German laws are much different. For example, you can be ticketed for "insult" (ie: road rage). In some places, there are varying speedlimits based on traffic flow, traffic managers monitor car count per minute and change the speed limits accordingly.
You can (and likely will) get a ticket for impeding traffic in the "fast lane".
Interesting program, if you guys get a chance, watch it if you notice it on the schedule.
In short, they've had since before WWII to develop their system. In the same amount of time, our country has done it's best to limit our highway sytem so that any schmuck in a minivan can drive anywhere he or she wants with impunity (yeah, I know, it's their right).
Its the pedal on the right, use it or move over.
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Some people are disappointed the first time they drive on the Autobahn. They come with visions of a twenty-lane superhighway where cars are barely a blur as they whiz by. In reality, the Autobahn looks like a typical freeway, and despite rumors to the contrary, not everyone is hurtling along at the speed of sound. The stories of speed anarchy are only half correct-- many sections of Autobahn do in fact have speed limits.
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Mike240: I certainly did have a couple cars pass me in that fashion.
JohnH: Very true.
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Before too much BS gets thrown around maybe some actuall facts should be thrown in.
Does speed kill? What does that mean?
Are you more likely to crash or be in an accident the faster you go? I would say yes to that. But it would be a small percentage. Reaction time goes down as speed goes up but you are hoepefully much more atentive as you go faster as well.
Will you sustain more damage at higher speeds if you do get in a wreck? Yes. This is the laws of physic showing that as speed increases the force goes up by the square of velocity. But in high velocity crashes you reach a critical speed that exceeds the design criteria of the cars specific crash protection systems (crumple zones, cage integrity, air bags, etc.) - at that velocity point your chance of fatality goes up exponentially. The forces that are the square of the velocity above that critical speed are being directly applied to the body which cannot take much blunt trauma abuse.
But the most important factor in speed kills is that MOST Americans are not trained well enough in a car to be trusted at higher speeds. And I don't want a highway with high limits with unskilled drivers.
Do you want to drive your Z at 100 MPH plus next to other vehicles, of which 40% of them are 5000 lb SUV's?
1993 300zx NA
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""i think americans are to retared to drive fast...We are all paying too much for fuel so why should we be able to drive as fast as we want? "
"amazing! someone got out and said it. despite all of the "greatest country in the world" propaganda that makes people want to bleed red white and blue, someone spoke truth."
And I think Americans are too retarded to even follow the rules of the language (much less drive) by defined rules. The money is obviously needed for the failing education system first.
in your case, it was your parents that failed you.
If all were equal, none would be strong.
Ballistic,Ruler of Interstates
Stage XX+ 1993 Z32 NA
"SoulTaker"
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There's always someone's dream ???!!!! (and 1/4 mile wide??)
Texans won't put up with this one!
Superhighway 'security' benefits questioned
Texas leader seeks answers about plan that includes NAFTA corridor
World Net Daily | August 30 2006
A Texas congressman is asking his colleagues as well as American citizens nationwide to join him in opposing a plan that describes itself as seeking more security and more prosperity for the United States, when in fact it may do neither.
Rep. Ron Paul has written his weekly "Texas Straight Talk" column about the "Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America (SSP)," which, he says, "will likely make us far less secure and certainly less prosperous."
A key to that plan, he noted, is a massive new NAFTA superhighway about which WorldNetDaily has run a series of reports.
"A massive highway is being planned to stretch from Canada into Mexico, through the state of Texas," Paul wrote. "This is likely to cost the U.S. taxpayer untold billions of dollars, will require eminent domain takings on an almost unimaginable scale, and will make the U.S. more vulnerable to those who seek to enter our country to do us harm."
Paul said the "Security and Prosperity Partnership" is "misnamed" and is running its course under the notice of most because it's neither a treaty nor a formal agreement, just a "dialogue" launched by the heads of state of Canada, Mexico and the United States during a summit in Waco, Texas, in March, 2005.
"According to the SPP website, this 'dialogue' will create new supra-national organizations to 'coordinate' border security, health policy, economic and trade policy, and energy policy between the governments of Mexico, Canada, and the United States," Paul said.
However, he said it's clear such plans "have far less to do with the free movement of goods and services than they do with the government coordination and management of international trade."
He said critics of the North American Free Trade Agreement, or NAFTA, and similar plans warned it was a move toward more government control of international trade "and an eventual merging of North America into a border-free area."
Supporters dismissed those concerns as preposterous at the time, he said. "Now we see that the criticisms appear to be justified."
Paul noted congressional oversight of the massive plan is non-existent, and the SPP's own government website confirms the group is committed to having "our central regulatory agencies complete a trilateral regulatory cooperation framework by 2007."
"Though the U.S. administration insists that the SPP does not undermine U.S. sovereignty, how else can one take statements like this?" Paul asked. "How can establishing a 'trilateral regulatory cooperation' not undermine our national sovereignty?"
The website also talks about improving the health of "indigenous people" through bilateral or trilateral activities including health promotions, health education, disease prevention and research.
"Who can read this and not see massive foreign aid transferred from the U.S. taxpayer to foreign governments and well-connected private companies?" he asked.
The SPP also intends to seek the best practices of registering medicinal products, and Paul said his concern is not only more and bigger government, but an unelected government.
"As the SPP website itself admits, 'The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America represents a broad and ambitious agenda,'" Paul wrote. "I hope my colleagues in Congress and American citizens will join me in opposing any 'broad and ambitious' effort to undermine the security and sovereignty of the United States."
Providing for efficient movement of legitimate people and goods, cutting red tape on economic issues and working together to battle infectious diseases and respond to disasters all are part of the SPP plan.
"The SPP provides a vehicle by which the United States, Canada and Mexico can identify and resolve unnecessary obstacles to trade, and it provides a means to improve our response to emergencies and increase security," the website says.
However, it doesn't talk about the actual impact of its goals. The proposal for a trans-national highway, for example, in Texas alone could displace tens of thousands from their homes and cost billions, according to critics who call themselves CorridorWatch.
Both Republican and Democratic parties in Texas have announced opposition to the Texas portion of the highway, called the Trans-Texas Corridor. It envisions "a multi-use, statewide network of transportation routes in Texas that will incorporate existing and new highways, railways and utility right-of-ways."
Those routes are to include, in a quarter-mile wide strip running in various configurations around the state, separate lanes for passenger vehicles and large trucks, freight railways, high-speed commuter railways, infrastructure for utilities including water lines, oil and gas pipelines, and transmission lines for electricity, broadband and other telecommunications services.
Its plans are for the project to be done in phases over 50 years, but at nearly a quarter-mile wide, and with announced plans for 8,000 miles of corridor, that would claim almost 2,000 square miles of Texas.
CorridorWatch's David K. Stall also just this month asked Federal Highway Administrator J. Richard Capka to reject a Trans-Texas Corridor draft Environmental Impact Statement because it disregards alternatives, and he alleges the Texas highway department has suppressed critical information.
Stall told WND the plan was approved by lawmakers who probably didn't realize what they were reading, because it was part of an omnibus bill that was passed during a war in 2003 between Democrats and Republicans over a challenged redistricting plan.
"It is the brainchild of Gov. (Rick) Perry. He takes full credit for it," Stall said.
But the result of the omnibus approval is a series of changes that gives Texas the same blueprint for highways that would be found in a Third World country, he said. There any sort of incentives are offered to encourage someone to build them, he said.
Just weeks ago, U.S. Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez, Mexican Economy Minister Sergio Garcia de Alba and Canadian Minister of Industry Maxime Bernier also launched the North American Competitiveness Council. That was set up as part of the nations' commitment to the SPP, officials said at the time.
Part of the NACC goals include working "to remove barriers in order to increase the competitiveness of North American firms in the global marketplace and spur economic growth."
NAFTA, around since 1994, now links 435 million people producing $13.8 trillion in goods and services, its supporters say.
'73 240z, sitting 16 years in garaged storage...Spring 2005 endeavor...
Twin Cities, Mn
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The routes of the Autobhan were chosen by Hitler himself in many cases to give a pleasing drive through the countryside and expouse the "volkspirit" and get people back with the cultural communig with nature so prevalent and waning during that time in Germany...
The US Interstate system was designed for a 1950 vehicle to safely and easily navigate it at 75mph (which is why the 55mph law was SUCH a joke!) The design parameter was that a car would never have to reach more than .5G on any turn, and speeds were adjusted (yellow warning signs) as such.
Generally, vehicular design and competency has advanced since 1950, the speeds the roads can be negotiated at have radically increased, but unfortunately the driving priviledge has been given an LCD Pass, and any moron can get a license.
They need to start enforcing the "priviledge" part of it far more, and institute tougher licensing and graduated licenses here in the USA. And for gawds sake, get dottering old fools OFF the interstates and onto surface roads.
The single most important thing thye could to to reduce accidents in the USA is start RIGIDLY enforcing left-lane usage, and concentrating on speed enforcement based on FLOW, with IMPEDIMENTS being ticketed, not "speeders".
Traffic data backs this up, but it never happens because it raises moremoney the way it is.
And that is the saddest part of it all.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Many good points but here is my take on it. Yes, many people already drive as fast as they want because they have the cash to pay for the speeding tickets if they get caught. I think it is weak how if you have the money you can pay off johnny law and if you don't have the money you are suppose to conform to what your government says. Why shouldn't we all be able to drive the speed we can handle. The unskilled crazy people I'm sure already drive like a bat out of hell. I see them all the time driving their hondas and their motorcycles. Just last night outside my house were there is a 2 lane road and I heard what sounded like motorcycles doing 150mph in the pitch black night. If we had an autobahn there would be no reason to race illegal in the middle of the night which in my opinion is much more dangerous. As for the laws of physics yes the damage could be greater but I think people pay more attention when the are driving fast. Would any of you be talking on your cell phone, eating, or putting on make up while driving 100mph+, most likely no. also people would spend less time on the road getting rid of some of the traffic congestion problems. As for the money the country needs to stop the stupid wars as the people don't want the Americans over there anyway. This country has become sad as all of it infrastructure was built early on and now can bare take care of it and the people who live in this country that need government assistence. Instead we are fighting some other countrys wars for them and having terrorist attack us for our actions. I think us average Americans need a place were we can drive fast and enjoy it without having to look over our shoulders. I have also notice how anywhere I travel, even short trips or long, I see police cars or cycles. In the past I use to see the rarely once every month or two. Just seem like the government likes to find a way to make a simple enjoyable activty a crime.
Sweet 280z
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no one is saying you CANT drive as fast as you want. You will just have to pay for it. Its like going to an amusement park. You dont get to ride the rides for free, you also dont get to speed for free. But no one is saying you cant speed...
-John
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I believe if you get caught speeding in california at 100mph+ they actual revoke your divers license but I'm not 100% about that. Also if you get caught too many times your auto insurance rates go up. Just the cost of your ride, upgrades, auto registration and insurance should allow you on the speed ride. The states are just greedy and want more than their fair share so they can hire more police and get even more of the peoples money. I don't think Arnold or his crew deserve any more of my money they get enough from taxes.
Sweet 280z
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"All the people that claim speed kills are just conformest going by what the government pounds into there brains"
I want to know which DMV licensed you so I can make sure it gets shut down.
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Touchy, sorry if I offened you but most people buy sports cars to drive fast. I am a good driver and haven't had any accidents with injuries or damages. I guess you don't watch much TV because the states seem to love to air their horrible public safety commercials about speeding, drunk drivers, and buckling up. I'm not saying that all of these are unimportant but they are aired frequently an are very poorly produced. These are just my opinions and it seems that unlimited speed zones have worked in Germany and Montana. As far as I know we still have freedom of speech in the USA I'm just exercising my right to use it.
Sweet 280z
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"I do drive as fast as I want, especially in my Z06. Speed limits dont mean a whole lot to me especially on the freeways." i agree, but only if theres enough room to make a mistake and not take someone else at with you......im not concerned with crashing, im more concerned about hitting other people.
"speed has no limit"
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If speed (alone)kills then why is everyone at NASCAR & NHRA alive?
"Speed kills" has been the mantra of pansies who can't drive for decades now.
Faster than a Motorola
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I am sure them having the best in car safety gear around plus no oncoming traffic has much to do with that. And everyone in NASCAR and NHRA is not alive.
Even with all the protection and only hitting concrete walls that keep your momentum going in the same direction they still die.
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theres a risk for everything and theres a risk that i will take that the risk...
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" We need an American Autobahn"
Prove it. Just why do you think that we NEED one? Just because you fell into the mythology of "Autobahn" does not mean that it's what the U.S. (or any other country for that matter) needs one. It could be fun, but that's about it.
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Z in Seattle-wrong.Dead men can't drive-So everyone at NASCAR & NHRA is alive.
Faster than a Motorola
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Hybrid77Z The USA is a huge country and it takes forever to get anywhere especially in the western half of the country. Compare germanys size to the size of the USA and we should have several high speed roads. There are lots of stretches of road with nothingness all around them it would sure be nice to legally blast through that space quickly and efficently less time. I'm sure many people in localized city areas would disagree just because everywhere they want to go is nice and close and doesn't require hours of driving.
Sweet 280z
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Primer&Rust,
You said the magic word, HUGE.
Putting in an Autobahn in a small country (like West Germany) is EASY.
Putting the same level of design infrastructure across that vast western USA is a HUGE COST and I'm sure that the people in city areas (that will have to come up for the huge money for such a construction) would rather see their money spent in their OWN roads first.
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"Speed Kills" has been the mantra of pansies who can't drive for decades now"...
I just worked a collision on a rural road...pickup truck rounded a curve at high speed..lost control, travelled into the other lane and side-swiped the oncoming vehicle...both drivers are lucky to be alive....EXCESSIVE SPEED!!!
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'75 280Z Coupe 4-speed
"Never been there, didn't do that."
"The harder you try, the dumber you look."
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""Speed Kills" has been the mantra of pansies who can't drive for decades now"...
I just worked a collision on a rural road...pickup truck rounded a curve at high speed..lost control, travelled into the other lane and side-swiped the oncoming vehicle...both drivers are lucky to be alive....EXCESSIVE SPEED!!!"
Er, how does foisting an accident up for an example where both people lived reinforce the contention "speed kills"?
Is this some new logic? Am I the only one missing this one?
Speed Enforcement for years has been little more than a secure revenue stream for local municipalities. Deny it if you will, but it's the truth.
Incompetent Drivers and lack of driving standards plays a FAR larger part in fatalities than anyone wants to say.
It's just easier to blame speed. Nobody wants to speak ill of the dead, 'cept me I guess. Some people do stupid Sh*t, and they deserve the death they so rightly got as a result.
The sad part is when they involve others in their incompetence.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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..A matter of a few more inches and that woman would have been dead..(driver's side door was caved in, and she was a large woman!) We estimate the driver at fault was over 60 mph..in a 35 mph zone...and we don't use radar, so it's not like Harrison County, Ms. gets rich off of speed traps...
'78 280Z 2+2 R.I.P. August 29, 2005
'75 280Z Coupe 4-speed
"Never been there, didn't do that."
"The harder you try, the dumber you look."
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Excessive water kills, double-cheeseburgers kill, Helium kills.
Like you said, EXCESSIVE speed can kill too even when EXCESSIVE at the time is 60mph. The problem is usually people that do not undersatnd their limits. The problem is compounded at beyond 100mph since any quick change in conditions of road/weather/traffic has to be immediately adjusted for.
As we can see from fat people, some idiots won't change what they are doing even if YEARS are given them to make a correction much less 400 miliseconds.
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Over estimating your abilities and your vehicles abilities are what cause these "speed kills" accidents.
For example, I can round a particular corner in my 300 @ say 90km, but in my Corolla 90km around the same corner will result in losing control.
People just need to understand what they and their vehicle are capable of.
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1990 300zx NA
- Custom Exhaust
- JWT Pop Charger
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Yeah, as much as I love to drive fast and would love to BE ABLE to drive fast and as much as I would love to have an American autobahn, I will have to agree with the previous posts. There are far too many incompetent drivers in this country that would make any super highway unsafe. Maybe if the gubmint got off its ass and made getting a license here just as difficult to acquire as the Germans do, AND when the big three start making cars that would go more than 90mph w/o rattling and feeling like they would come apart, THEN we can think about constructing an Amercian autobahn. Maybe the cops need to start ticketing left lane sqatters and people who don't use their turn signals first as well.
God must love stupid people, he made SOOOOO many of them!