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Very nice mod! Thanks for posting all of the pictures. I have a CA CCW and I'll be doing this for my Glock 27 when my Exige comes.
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Transio...any chance you could photoshop a gun turret on the back of an Elise
Something like this one.
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Depending on the officer and the area, that IS one possible outcome. However, IMO, informing the officer of the weapon's presence (without reaching for it )is pretty straightforward. Law-abiding citizens with carry permits have nothing to hide, but criminals attempting to conceal weapons would not offer such info to police.
It's true, I have nothing to hide. But, I also have NOTHING to gain by telling the officer there is a gun in the car (that he or she will never see). My point is... What purpose does it serve to tell him / her??? None that I can think of. Again... here in Florida, the officer has no way of knowing that I have a CCW license.
When I get pulled over, I give the officer the information he NEEDS and asks for: license, registration, and proof of insurance. Telling him / her I have a weapon will only serve to escalate the situation unnecessarily.
All that said, I do not routinely carry my gun and very rarely get pulled over (three times in my whole life).
Mike
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Under what circumstances would the officers "spot it?" (Assuming you don't have it sitting on the seat or in plain view like in the case of this particular holster "mod.") I have a CCW, and I would not be comfortable driving with it in plain view like that. I don't see any possible outcome other than to raise the officer's adrenaline level by telling him I have a gun.
Mike
I was just trying to make a point that if an officer did notice the weapon before being told about it the possible escalation would be worse than if the weapon was acknowledged right away. I realize there are plenty of law-abiding citizens with CCW's. I would rather know what I'm dealing with than wonder if the person is a felon who just committed a crime.
Just my 2 cents worth, I'm sure your friend has a reason for his view of the situation.
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Phill B,
That tank is too much, I actually laughed at that one. No way I'm paying for that mod without an official Lotus badge on the front!
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It's true, I have nothing to hide. But, I also have NOTHING to gain by telling the officer there is a gun in the car (that he or she will never see). My point is... What purpose does it serve to tell him / her??? None that I can think of. Again... here in Florida, the officer has no way of knowing that I have a CCW license.
When I get pulled over, I give the officer the information he NEEDS and asks for: license, registration, and proof of insurance. Telling him / her I have a weapon will only serve to escalate the situation unnecessarily.
Mike
I politelty disagree. Here in VA I understand that police would have a way of knowing if you have a concealed carry permit but, regardless, anything you can do to show an officer regard for his safety and comfort level can only work to your advantage. I am rarely pulled over and haven't had a ticket in over 10 years but I can tell you that I have been let off with a warning four of five times. I attribute this not to luck but to common courtesy and respect.
I immediately let the officer know (for his benefit) I have a CCP and whether or not a gun is in the car. Fortunately, I have never been pulled over with a gun in the car but I would tell him where the weapon is if I had one. The officer has always thanked me for this gesture.
I also do all the smart things for his or her safety:
1. Pull way off the road to a safe location after acknowledging his presence.
2. Interior lights on in the dark.
3. Turn off the engine.
4. Hands where he can see them.
5. Yes Sir or Yes Maam.
6. Explain your mistake but don't argue.
Common sense stuff but it has worked like a charm for me.
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It's true, I have nothing to hide. But, I also have NOTHING to gain by telling the officer there is a gun in the car (that he or she will never see). My point is... What purpose does it serve to tell him / her??? None that I can think of. Again... here in Florida, the officer has no way of knowing that I have a CCW license.
When I get pulled over, I give the officer the information he NEEDS and asks for: license, registration, and proof of insurance. Telling him / her I have a weapon will only serve to escalate the situation unnecessarily.
All that said, I do not routinely carry my gun and very rarely get pulled over (three times in my whole life).
Mike
Don't get me wrong--I completely endorse a citizen's right to carry (as well as privacy beyond the "license, registration, proof of insurance"), but I would say you might yet have something to gain. When I worked patrol and encountered a responsible citizen who was carrying legally--and told me about it--I instantly treated that person with more respect and on a different level. It told me the person had met a higher standard (background check) than the rest of John Q. Public, and unless the prospective violation was egregious (which never happened), the person walked/drove away without any citation. I'm merely suggesting the liklihood you'll ratchet higher in most officers' eyes if you let 'em know.
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Ok my turn. Feel free to carry and not tell me when I stop you. (of course I ask) If I find it, you get to have my pistol screwed into the side of your head until we work out why you didnt tell me it was there and if it's legal. Ps. for all of you thinking your gun is going to save you from a car jacking, robbery, or whatever, we have had 2 cj's in my county this year and both victims were armed, they both lost their cars and one was shot with his own gun, you feel safer? The truth is most of you will have your own firearm taken/turned from/on you, or will not have the chance/drive to counter the situation when it comes. Please tell us you have it so you dont get hurt/offended and we dont wonder why you didnt let us know. (your officer should be asking anyway, if he/she doesnt shame on them.)
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Ok my turn. Feel free to carry and not tell me when I stop you. (of course I ask) If I find it, you get to have my pistol screwed into the side of your head until we work out why you didnt tell me it was there and if it's legal. Ps. for all of you thinking your gun is going to save you from a car jacking, robbery, or whatever, we have had 2 cj's in my county this year and both victims were armed, they both lost their cars and one was shot with his own gun, you feel safer? The truth is most of you will have your own firearm taken/turned from/on you, or will not have the chance/drive to counter the situation when it comes. Please tell us you have it so you dont get hurt/offended and we dont wonder why you didnt let us know. (your officer should be asking anyway, if he/she doesnt shame on them.)
Ooookkkkay... perhaps I'm wrong, but your 'tone' sounds rather offensive.
You most of all should know that most positive uses of a legal firearm go unreported, and in no small part because law enforcement treats the victim like the perp.. or at least there is a stereotype that the person will be treated negatively.
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I am a bit different than your avarage patrol officer. Im a SWAT operator in command of the Sniper weapons team for Hancock County. All I see is the damage and destruction firearms do to people (be it Perp., victim, or officer 15 firearm callouts this year) so yep im a bit jaded with regard to this matter because I and my team are the ones that have to mop up or come save many of you when something goes bad, you get that way after 10 years of seeing violence and death for no reason. Have a 13 yr. old code on you durring CPR after he shot himself with his dad's pistol on accident and walk away from that thinking guns are great. I have to many stories to tell, and many people I have known would still be alive were it not for firearms use of some type. Im not trying to change anyones mind and the law is the law anyway so it doesnt matter, but from an officer standpoint we need to know you have a gun in the car so the environment does not get misread, take my input or dont, it's your situation and we will do what we do everyday which is protect ourselves first, which may involve making you very uncomfortible if we find a tool that is used to harm people. It's no different for explosives, knifes, ect. tell us (especially when you are asked)
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Jeremy,
It sounds like you're apt to go off simply in the presence of a weapon, whether or not you are made aware of its presence. Just more so if you are not informed, but you'll still be irritated that "the idiot I've now gotta deal with thinks being armed will do him or anybody any good."
So? Is that bias there? Are you comfortable admitting you have that bias? And what does it say about the state of innocence until proven guilty? Also, if it is there, it sounds like you're in agreement with those who have long been attempting to intimidate those who wish to carry (even though the law says they legally may).
It has never been easy being a cop. Especially today with politicians and the media-sought-after-public apt to turn on you at every turn. Usually, however, such mixed messages rarely come from the honest John Q. Public who understands and respects firearms. You should consider where your friends really are (unless you yourself plan to run for office ).
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Well, as my previous posts indicated, you are going to know from the start if I have any weapons without even having to ask up front.
I thank you for your service.
Humans are not going to un-invent the gun.
Terrible things happen, and that fact doesn't make it any easier.
Through education and not fear can we limit such negative situations as you described.
Who's to say that the father of that child, or someone that lives in the home, doesn't get killed by a perp who enters his home 20 years from now.. all because he removed all the guns from his homes. Or perhaps he doesn't remove the guns and shoots a guest of his home because his home alarm went off, and he shoots first because that person got out of bed.
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Ok my turn. Feel free to carry and not tell me when I stop you. (of course I ask) If I find it, you get to have my pistol screwed into the side of your head until we work out why you didnt tell me it was there and if it's legal. Ps. for all of you thinking your gun is going to save you from a car jacking, robbery, or whatever, we have had 2 cj's in my county this year and both victims were armed, they both lost their cars and one was shot with his own gun, you feel safer? The truth is most of you will have your own firearm taken/turned from/on you, or will not have the chance/drive to counter the situation when it comes. Please tell us you have it so you dont get hurt/offended and we dont wonder why you didnt let us know. (your officer should be asking anyway, if he/she doesnt shame on them.)
Even before CHL here, I always informed them when I was armed - regardless of the situation, and have never had trouble come of it. Last thing I need is a cop introducing my head to the sidewalk. I'm too old for that nonsense.
And yeah I feel safer: I've saved my own life during a home invasion and no, deadly force wasn't required to do it.
Two carjackings a year in your county? Be glad for that - we're looking at two homicides a month in the division that covers my neighborhood.
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Something like this one.
Now that's what I'm talkin' about Outstanding photoshop work
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In Florida, there is no law that stipulates you must inform a police officer that you have a gun in the car that I'm aware of. In fact, doing so may create more problems than it solves. I have officers as patients who agree.
Mike
Mike, not that I carry; but a few times that I have been pulled over here in Florida (West Coast) by Troopers, I have been asked if I have a weapon in the car... I hate to think how they might react if they found out somehow "mid-transaction" that you were carrying. They might get real assertive then.
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Thread resurrect. Just thought this would be the perfect gun for concealed carry in an Elise.
info: http://www.swissminigun.com/home.html
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Note to self:
Do not piss mgdive off..
A common but somewhat offensive (even if said in jest) reaction that often happens when someone finds out someone else has a gun.
Legal gun owners aren't likely to haul off and shoot people simply because they are pissed off.
When you find out someone has a car do you remind yourself not to piss them off? Plenty of people attack others with cars (and knives, and baseball bats, and their hands).
Maybe it should be something like "Note to self, don't attack mgdive with a weapon and intent to kill or harm him as he might decide to defend himself"
Sorry, this overly sensitive gun owner is off the soap-box now
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only a fruitcake would carry... ...unless you want to be shot, you are asking for it. take up boxing or get mom to hold you a little more.
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Thread resurrect. Just thought this would be the perfect gun for concealed carry in an Elise.
info: http://www.swissminigun.com/home.html
Unless you got lucky, it seems the slug size is so small you'd have to shoot a guy a dozen times.
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Unless you got lucky, it seems the slug size is so small you'd have to shoot a guy a dozen times.
Not only that, but if you look at the velocity graphs, it would probably just leave a little welt unless hit from point-blank range.