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Oh while on the subject:
Why did Ahnold Schwartzenegger marry Maria Schriver?
Wait for it
To breed a Kennedy that can take a bullet!
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I let the officer know after I'm comfortable with them and the situation. An officer's safety is paramount on the job but too many are affected by the job to the point of power corruption. Thankfully I've never had to use deadly force and hope I never will, but I'm not going to give up my right to protect myself especially when there are cops out there "screwing their pistols into the side of people's head until they work things out". I have the utmost respect for police officers but until you prove otherwise you are still a stranger with unknown intentions.
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I play hockey with a bunch of cops from the mean streets of Yonkers, all of whom are required to carry at all times (they keep their guns unloaded in a bag on the bench while we are playing, of course). We have had numerous discussions about traffic stops and the like, mostly in the context of how to best avoid tickets when pulled over. Universally, they say have your documents in hand, both hands on the wheel where they can see them. I would imagine having the carry permit in hand would be the best idea, too. I think the comment from the SWAT officer is driven by the same assumptions that you made - the guy pulled over is a stranger with unknown intentions. As a police officer, if he sees a weapon in the car without you alerting him to its presence, the only fair assumption is that you are up to no good, and he will do whatever is necessary to protect himself and his partner from you until he can determine that you do not in fact pose a trhreat. It seems like common sense to me to be as up front as possible with officers at all times, for everyone's sake, to avoid tragic mistakes.
Anyway, you could always do what this guy did: http://66.34.10.12/aaamembersnew/zac/external2.htm
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I agree, you're both strangers and it's not concealed if the officer sees it. That would be a big mistake by the carrier and should be handled accordingly.
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I have a nice trusty Ka-bar on hand that I typically travel with. There are some upsides and downsides to knives for defense... pros: effective, quiet, and won't accidentally discharge into your ass when you sit down. Cons: other guy may have a gun, and you need to be faster/stronger/more skilled than the other guy if you need to use a knife.
All things considered, I'd typically rather carry a pistol, but the big knife is good for home defense/travel.
Cade
Yeah but if you are carrying illegally...well, a knife is far less punishment. But, yeah, the pistol is far more effective. No kidding.
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This mod looks neat. While Michelle and I don't have a gun yet we've been thinking of getting one. We've been down to the firing range and would definitely take a whole gun safety course. Living in Texas gives us more freedom than some of the other states.
"Gun control is victim disarmament." L. Neil Smith in The Probability Broach an excellent book about libertarian ideals.
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It made a hole nearly a foot wide (looked like a shotgun blast).
When I was getting ready to teach my son (9 or 10 at the time) to shoot my old single shot .22 rifle, all his friends were telling him that a .22 was so "weak" it couldn't hurt anyone.
I bought a box of .22 hollow points and we went out to the mountains where we could shoot.
First I set up a plastic milk jug filled with water. When it was hit with the .22HP, it exploded - the cap shot at least 20 feet into the air and the jug burst into many pieces.
Then we set up some apples to shoot at. The exploded so there was almost nothing left of them but mush.
My son's eyes were huge, and he quickly learned the lesson that all guns are dangerous and must be treated carefully.
We spent the rest of the afternoon shooting at empty pop cans.
As already pointed out, .22s are often used in murders/assassinations It turns out that the favorite weapon of old mob hit men used to be .22s. The can kill without much mess, and are easy and relatively quiet.
I look shooting .22s because it's cheap.
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When I was getting ready to teach my son (9 or 10 at the time) to shoot my old single shot .22 rifle, all his friends were telling him that a .22 was so "weak" it couldn't hurt anyone.
I bought a box of .22 hollow points and we went out to the mountains where we could shoot.
First I set up a plastic milk jug filled with water. When it was hit with the .22HP, it exploded - the cap shot at least 20 feet into the air and the jug burst into many pieces.
Then we set up some apples to shoot at. The exploded so there was almost nothing left of them but mush.
My son's eyes were huge, and he quickly learned the lesson that all guns are dangerous and must be treated carefully.
We spent the rest of the afternoon shooting at empty pop cans.
As already pointed out, .22s are often used in murders/assassinations It turns out that the favorite weapon of old mob hit men used to be .22s. The can kill without much mess, and are easy and relatively quiet.
I look shooting .22s because it's cheap.
I love target shooting, I know I will probably never go hunting but I think I know my way pretty well around firearms.
Your right, ANY firearm should be respected. A .22 bullet can travel over 1000 feet per second, that's a lot of energy and a hollow point bullet just makes it that more efficient to transfer that energy to the target.
I love 'plinking'. Soda pop cans had no escape from my ruger 10/22 semi auto rifle.
There used to be a outdoor range called Fox Valley Rifle Range (no not related to FVMC) just North of Santa's Village - far NW suburb of Chicagoland. They used to have a 'plinking pond' where you throw marshmellows or pieces of wood in it and can shoot at it with your .22 rifle. Tons of fun and cheap too! I brought my wife there once before we got married, she was doubtful that she would like it - after a few rounds, she aims at a marshmellow bobbing in the water, hits it just right and pops it up in the air, water spraying upwards underneath it, she turns to me - smiles and says what a great time this is and proceeded to plink away! We had a lot of fun that day. Safety first I say. It is a great hobby, but unfortunately the media and people who are quick to believe that all guns and owners of guns are bad.
To me it's like the Elise - it's not for everyone and before you judge it you should try it without any preconceptions. You do have to be proficient at it if you expect to defend yourself with one. I love the target shooting aspect of firearms and preciseness. To each his own.
As for the holster mod - kewl!
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Sure, it's the medias fault....
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As already pointed out, .22s are often used in murders/assassinations It turns out that the favorite weapon of old mob hit men used to be .22s. The can kill without much mess, and are easy and relatively quiet.
A couple of additional points...
A suppressed .22 sounds about as loud as stapling two pages together on your desk. The sound of the slide stopping at either end of travel will quite literally completely drown out the muzzle sound. If one were fired directly behind you, you would notice the noise but would not recognize it as gunfire (unless you've been around suppressed weapons).
Suppressed shooting is generally limited to ball ammo (perferably FMJ, or copper dusted in the case of .22), to prevent possible instability and resultant baffle strikes. Since concealment is also key, the barrels are relatively short, preventing supersonic muzzle velocity, and reducing muzzle energy to the point where the round will typically only pass through the skull once, then ricochet, doing considerable damage.
The US government used to contract with High Standard to manufacture a suppressed .22 semi-auto pistol for the OSS - for just this purpose. Most ended up in the CIA's armory.
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A couple of additional points...
A suppressed .22 sounds about as loud as stapling two pages together on your desk. The sound of the slide stopping at either end of travel will quite literally completely drown out the muzzle sound. If one were fired directly behind you, you would notice the noise but would not recognize it as gunfire (unless you've been around suppressed weapons).
Suppressed shooting is generally limited to ball ammo (perferably FMJ, or copper dusted in the case of .22), to prevent possible instability and resultant baffle strikes. Since concealment is also key, the barrels are relatively short, preventing supersonic muzzle velocity, and reducing muzzle energy to the point where the round will typically only pass through the skull once, then ricochet, doing considerable damage.
The US government used to contract with High Standard to manufacture a suppressed .22 semi-auto pistol for the OSS - for just this purpose. Most ended up in the CIA's armory.
My friend has a fully silenced .22... the metallic "clicking" noise is makes is quite eerie knowing that it's firing live rounds out of the muzzle
Was this thread resurrected in time for the BMW roadster video?
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My friend has a fully silenced .22... the metallic "clicking" noise is makes is quite eerie knowing that it's firing live rounds out of the muzzle
A lot of people comment that the ejected brass hitting the floor is the most distinctive sound.
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Potential new shooters:
Go to any indoor range and rent a pistol. Use their eyes and ears for protection, and try it out! Start out with a .22, move up to .38 Special, 9MM, or .45 calibers.
If you really like a handgun, take the test, and buy one. I recommend a handgun accurate enought for target shooting.
If you are going to own a handgun, get to the range at LEAST once a month or more and practice.
Get good at it.
And read some magazines on the subject like Hangunner or Guns & Ammo.
Think safety first! And NEVER point a gun at ANYONE, empty or not.
Have fun!
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An officer's safety is paramount on the job but too many are affected by the job to the point of power corruption. I'm not going to give up my right to protect myself especially when there are cops out there "screwing their pistols into the side of people's head until they work things out".
My my, I think I just got called a bad cop . Thats wonderful insight from a man who has never once stood in a situation in which his life could be taken from him (let alone done it day in and day out as employment). 008 you havnt earned the right to critique any action any officers take in the line of duty. We fight what you (obviously due to your self admitted militant clinging to your firearm) fear and will not appologize for our tactics or your mild discomfort in the field under investigation. Work the jails, get hired, go to the academy, work the street, attempt to make it through selection and Swat school, then you may judge how we (more specificly I) work. As a closing thought, this "power corrupt" police man (again so fantasticlly applied) holds 5 seperate citations of valor in his jacket, and more than 10 souls credited spared because of direct action or planning. Thank you for your worthless citizen views on law enforcement and how we perform our jobs wrong, oh yea and thanks for clerification of that "utmost respect" you have for all of us.
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Could someone photoshop the turret from this Gepard to an Elise/Exige pic?
sweet.
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My my, I think I just got called a bad cop . Thats wonderful insight from a man who has never once stood in a situation in which his life could be taken from him (let alone done it day in and day out as employment). 008 you havnt earned the right to critique any action any officers take in the line of duty. We fight what you (obviously due to your self admitted militant clinging to your firearm) fear and will not appologize for our tactics or your mild discomfort in the field under investigation. Work the jails, get hired, go to the academy, work the street, attempt to make it through selection and Swat school, then you may judge how we (more specificly I) work. As a closing thought, this "power corrupt" police man (again so fantasticlly applied) holds 5 seperate citations of valor in his jacket, and more than 10 souls credited spared because of direct action or planning. Thank you for your worthless citizen views on law enforcement and how we perform our jobs wrong, oh yea and thanks for clerification of that "utmost respect" you have for all of us.
Wow....nice tirade....you're my hero...
Signed, just another 'worthless citizen'.
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Wow....nice tirade....you're my hero...
Signed, just another 'worthless citizen'.
Wy thank you Tracy one tends to get on a tirade when you bleed, bruise, been burnt, and endured hospitalised opperations in the name of protecting people who then charge you with not doing what you do correctly. No one asked for a thank you (or your hero worship) but you really cant ask me to stand by quietly while someone who doesnt understand the aspects of this profession judges or slanders (especially personally).
(Ps. it was "wortless citizen views" not "worthless citizen"-you forgot a word that gives meaning to the point (ie. an uninformed individual speaking on topics he does not fully understand or has studied for argument sake), nice attempt at sarcasm though.)
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Inspired by the original post, I thought I'd display the latest mod made to the Elise:
Just kidding............................
It's not even real...Airsoft - Tokyo Marui MP5
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LOL... good point! I keep meaning to get a new pistol, and keep putting it off with car stuff coming first... but one of these days I'm going to sell my 9mm and upgrade (significantly) to a match-grade 1911. I don't carry, however. If I did decide to carry, one nice thing about being tall is that I'm not limited as much to smaller framed pistols.
Cade
PS. Yes, 007 reference. Thanks, Patrick!
Yeah baby..... 1911 Goldcup Mod 70..... pure silk for us guys with the Big Hands. I have a couple if you want trial shoot one for a week.
Don.
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Lotus Family, you chose your profession, and you're to be commended on it. As you corrected Tracy my comments were to your statement not you as an individual. No, I did not call you a bad cop nor would I ever jump to such a conclusion from an internet forum. As far as citizens not being able to question the actions of it's government servants, let's just say we disagree. You don't know me, what I've done, who I am and as far as I'm concerned you certainly haven't earned the right to critique me either. I wish you and those around you safety in your line of work.