Weight Reduction: Best Bang for the Buck

A&Q about Lotus

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that exhaust system looks badass!!! The FF header comes with a CRP, too? Cool! Damn I have to wait 3 months until I can buy all this sh*t.
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Originally Posted by shay2nak The FF header comes with a CRP, too? Test Pipe was a $120 option.

Check out how stubby the tips are...


I wanted them to be completely flush with the diffuser, i.e. NOTHING sticking out. Stealthy.

Absolutely incredible welds.

Jim is a GOD.
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What diameter did you get?

Originally Posted by darkSol Test Pipe was a $120 option.

Check out how stubby the tips are...


I wanted them to be completely flush with the diffuser, i.e. NOTHING sticking out. Stealthy.

Absolutely incredible welds.

Jim is a GOD.
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From above post:

(6" 2bular exhaust with stubby flush tips, FF street header with test pipe)
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Originally Posted by darkSol I wanted them to be completely flush with the diffuser, i.e. NOTHING sticking out. Stealthy.

Absolutely incredible welds.

Jim is a GOD.
Do you have a pic with it installed? How "flush" is it? Is it dead even? I've been thinking the same, but maybe with a 7".
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Originally Posted by spider Do you have a pic with it installed? How "flush" is it? Is it dead even? I've been thinking the same, but maybe with a 7". I just got it this evening. I need an O2 eliminator and that illusive external torx socket before I install the whole kaboodle. No point doing it all twice/three times. Jim says it's absolutely flush.

EDIT: 6" through diffuser 2bular is 12.595 lbs. exactly.
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Can't wait to see pics David.

I have been waiting for an alternative to StageII.
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sorry if it's already been said, but it's not that it's unsprung weight that makes it worth more than it's exact weight, it's anything which spins which makes it worth extra. You should probably improve the value of rims and tires by about 1.5 because there are two components of motion which require energy to make a rim and tire move. One is what it takes to move it through space (like the rest of the car) the other is the energy it takes to spin it even if it's not moving anywhere.

If it were a ring of weight with all the weight at the outside edge, then it's a factor of 2. This phenomena is particularly obvious on bicycles where the weight is so far out on the diameter of the wheel and the wheel is so large in diameter.

So a little fun fact is that 15/16's get you more of a bonus than just their weight. For the exact same weight, 15/16's are better than 16/17's because the weight is closer to the center of rotation so it'll take less energy to spin them. 16/17's are pure marketing.... look great, but bad for everything else... don't know too much about chapman... but 16/17's should turn him over in his grave. I'd take the rims over anything else becuase you get a better ride, better handling, more use of power, and save money on tires. Smaller rims will often pay for themselves over time becuase there's a premium for increases in rim diameter.
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Originally Posted by ewalberg sorry if it's already been said, but it's not that it's unsprung weight that makes it worth more than it's exact weight, it's anything which spins which makes it worth extra. You should probably improve the value of rims and tires by about 1.5 because it takes energy to two components of work to make a rim and tire sping. One is what it takes to move it through space (like the rest of the car) the other is the energy it takes to spin it even if it's not moving anywhere.

If it were a ring of weight with all the weight at the outside edge, then it's a factor of 2. This phenomena is particularly obvious on bicycles where the weight is so far out on the diameter of the wheel and the wheel is so large in diameter.

So 15/16's get you more of a bonus than just their weight. For the exact same weight, 15/16's are better than 16/17's because the weight is closer to the center of rotation so it'll take less energy to spin them. 16/17's are pure marketing.... look great, but bad for everything else... don't know too much about chapman... but 16/17's should turn him over in his grave.
indeed.
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Originally Posted by bruh_la Fuel tank....(says S2 version coming soon).



Hubs....are already avilable.




What would the advantages be of running these hubs?

They don't claim any weigh savings/gains??? Argh.
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The steel uprights have a few weakpoints. The aluminum uprights come with mounting points for double shear toelinks and larger bearings.
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Originally Posted by darkSol What would the advantages be of running these hubs?

They don't claim any weigh savings/gains??? Argh.
The main advantage is they have offset centres. This means if you left your suspension geometry how it is from the factory, you would lower the car by about 10mm with these hubs. This is important coz it means you can maintain closer to the intended suspension geometry when the car is running low ride heights.

They are also set up for the popular brake upgrades, are lighter and stronger.
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Originally Posted by bruh_la They are also set up for the popular brake upgrades, are lighter and stronger. But HOW MUCH lighter are they? This would be the ultimate in unsprung weight savings...
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Originally Posted by darkSol But HOW MUCH lighter are they? This would be the ultimate in unsprung weight savings...
Sorry i do not know, but send a mail to Eliseparts, they are very helpful.
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Originally Posted by bruh_la Sorry i do not know, but send a mail to Eliseparts, they are very helpful.
Their response...

Hi David

There are no major weight saving advantages but there are several other advantages, namely, Strength, Toe link bolt in double sheer, better wishbone angulations, they are designed to accept better and wider range of front and rear calipers, they won't rust and higher camber angles are achievable.

They are the best on the market by far, many race teams use them and to date I have had only positive feedback.

Cheers

Geary
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