A&Q about 350Z
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Info is very sketchy and Jim Wolf Technology is very secretive about their twin turbo kit for our 350Zs. But based on some info that I have heard from what I consider to be very reputable sources, this is the scoop on JWT TT as I see it. Some on this board have asked what my opinion is of this JWT TT 350Z kit.
I think JWT TT will be a good kit for those who want a modest, conservative, though limited power increase for their 350Zs. The kit will be lower in price compared to APS TTs and have smaller turbos and have lesser power, lesser power potential, and lesser fuel system compared to APS. Though if what you are looking for is a good kit to give you 290 wheel hp (approx. 350 engine hp) to 330 wheel hp (400 engine hp) at a price less than APS, then it may be your cup of tea. If you can be satisfied with not wanting to go to bigger power in the future. The kit does not have the much higher rated fuel system including larger fuel injectors and a fuel return system as does the APS TT kit. But the JWT fuel system should be adequate at those power levels I stated for the JWT kit. Frankly, I wouldn't run ANY forced induction kit on a 350Z without a fuel return system, but I am Mr. overkill safety. I don’t know a lot yet about the JWT engine management system.
Myself, if I were going the cheaper route and wanted less hp, I'd go with the APS single turbo with more air flow that JWT and get all the upgraded peripheral equipment that it has (much better fuel system equivalent to the APS TT kit) in case I wanted to go to much bigger power later on. But that is just me. I would not spend the money to go forced induction unless I could get more power out of it than the JWT TT will safely support. But again that is just me and some people may be very happy with just an extra burst of speed if any of those uppity stock Mustang GTs or stock M3s need to be easily put into their places. I am going after stock Vipers, ZO6s, (upgraded) supercharged Cobra Mustangs, (upgraded) supercharged Mustang Shelby GT 500s, Porsche 996 twin turbos, and their ilk. A different kettle of beans altogether, ha.
Compare the above JWT setup to APS TTs for our 350Zs. If you can afford the APS TT kit, it's fuel system is great for the baseline 400 wheel hp (approx. 482 engine hp) of the kit and can handle up to 500 wheel hp (approx. 602 engine hp) without building up nary a drop of sweat on the boost gauge. Note that APS recommends to build up the bottom end of our VQ engines if going much over 400 wheel hp (482 engine hp) for absolute optimum engine life. I am going to trust my stock engine internals up to approx. 450 wheel hp (540 engine hp) which is my own goal with the APS TTs on stock internals. Mine may dyno up to close to 500 wheel hp (approx. 602 engine hp) at my anticipated 11.5 psi and 11.5 to 1 air to fuel ratio with the APS TTs. We won’t know for sure what we get till it is fine tuned on the dyno. (As many of you know, I’ll also be running the APS Tallboy Plenum, APS 2.5 in. True Dual exhaust, and APS 2.5 in. test pipes.) Many are safely running APS TTs at well over 500 wheel hp or 600 engine hp on stock engine internals, but I am going to stay just a tad lower with my stated power levels till later when I can afford to build the engine for more power.
To be fair, you can spend more and upgrade the JWT TT kit with the JWT cams and get more power, but then the fuel system will not be safe unless you upgrade, IMO. JWT will get you in at a good price if you stay at that power level, but if you try to go higher, it will get real expensive real fast for diminishing returns since the kit was not really designed with that in mind.
The problem is that the smaller turbos in the JWT TT kit won't support much more than the power figures stated either. So if you want to go to bigger power than I stated, the JWT kit is not really made to support it from either the turbos themselves or the fuel system standpoint. But if you are content with the cheaper price and don't ever want to go to the bigger power, you'll probably be very happy with JWT. (cough… Get a fuel return system and larger fuel injectors whether you need them or not if you go JWT…cough. Ha. But if you do that, might as well buy the APS TT kit, to begin with is my logic.)
Problem is that boost is addictive and the power levels of the JWT kit start feeling slow after awhile... and you starting wanting... you guessed it, More Power, he he. If you are like me. That is exactly what happened to me with prior forced induction in my Mitsu Eclipse Turbo. The stock turbo system, fuel and engine management system on that car was fine for stock power and up to about a 55 hp increase over that. At that point I had to upgrade the fuel and engine management systems to be safe.
Think of the JWT kit as being a lot like the stock 300 ZX twin turbo setup from the factory. Think of the APS twin turbo kit as what people with 300 ZX twin turbos went to when they wanted to upgrade way past the stock power levels. That is a pretty good analogy.
Therefore I am going with APS TTs since my interest in sports cars begins at about 400 hp to the wheels. Which I have had before. And I know I would not be content below that power level.
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JWT TT is out, or atleast test models...these guys (in the link below) are doing installs and making serious power. I just saw this site the other day posted on my350Z, you might be interested in this MP
if you click on the Jim Wolf turbo kit link on the bottom right, theres an interview with the man himself.
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Oh yes, I know alllllll about it. Very very funny they (VRT) are touting 400 wheel hp and absolutely get offended and refuse to even discuss it when you ask them, very very nicely....wait a minute....you are touting 400 wheel hp on what you say is a "stock" 350Z with the JWT TT "stock kit and tune"... and then you tell me that this "stock" 350Z also has your JWT cams to get that power level, hmmmmnnn... and wait another minute....you mean that power level does not include even larger fuel injectors which are not included in the JWT stock kit? And you refuse to answer whether there is no fuel return either? Their reply was we can't tell you, let us install this kit on your car now on blind faith, take your money, and we can tell you the details some day when that sort of info can be disclosed. But if you want to know details before we put your car under the knife, then we will get offended and think you are a nasty peson for asking. Ok. That sets off several "DANGER Will Robinson!!!!" flags in my mind.
I think the JWT kit will be good at the stock power levels, but the turbos are smalll and have lower flow that APS by a wide margin. How much lower???? JWT and VRT refuse to tell you. Unlike APS which will tell you 82 lbs per minute air flow, combined, in a second. And thanks for asking us at APS. The more you know about our APS kits the more you will like. But back to VRT and the JWT kit they are installing. Many of you know what happens when you start going with small turbos, stock fuel injectors, no fuel return system, no shielded crank angle sensor wire, and asking them to run with the big boys like APS. How do you spell KABOOM?!? Or maybe to get that power they are really not running the stock JWT kit....???? Call VRT out on that and man they get mad real quick. Even if you say pretty please with sugar and whipped cream on top. Something is sure strange and my old BS meter is pegged to the fire wall and begging for mercy, ha. I am NOT knocking the JWT kit, only that there is something very strange about what VRT is saying. And what they are not saying and refuse to discuss is stranger still. Cough...Ringer was on the dyno that day that produced that dyno chart...cough. Un ohh. I didn't mean to blurt that out. That just got away from me, ha.
Eventually we will know all the details on the JWT kit, but VRT trying to install them now, take your money, and refusing to answer questions is .....welll...questionable. ha Don't you think?
I tell you what you do. Ask VRT the tough questions about the fuel system , including fuel injectors and fuel return, and how much air flow their turbos are rated at, in the stock JWT kit, and see what they tell you. Those questions were asked very very nicely and humbly on a thread over on 350Zmotoring.com, FI forum, thread "TT Dyno Results" and VRT got defensive, fled the website, and the silence is... deafening! I don't know that VRT is doing anything wrong or bad, but when they want to upgrade your car, and that right quick, ha, take your money, and they also refuse to answer any questions, well let everyone make up their own minds on that...
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yea i didnt check into it much i just browsed the site, but yes from what you're telling me it does sound a bit sketchy. The kit has been in the works it seems forever now, so all i can say is that it better be damn good.
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Don't get me wrong, I am not anti JWT at all. If and when I go with cams, JWT would be at the top of my list. And I am not anti VRT, truth is, I did not even know who they were till last week, but if they (VRT) are not doing anything shady, then they are at least doing a real good job of making it look that way. I have been involved with modified performance cars for several decades and I like candid people who are proud of their work and welcome the chance to educate you on the details. A "let us show you what we got!" attitude. If it were me and my car going under the knife, I'd want some answers to several troubling questions.
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I'm looking for a kit right now and gives me second thoughts abouth JWT. I''ll do my own research but thought that this was well articulated. Thanks for the info.
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Hey guess what VRT came back and posted some answers. Great -
According to Scott at VRT regarding the JWT TT kit for 350Zs:
"The fuel system on our non-built motors with the JWT TT kit has an upgraded fuel pump that is boost regulated, the stock injecters are fine. Our built motors 450 and up whp. have the larger boost regulated fuel pump, bigger injecters (440-550's) and a fuel return system."
I disagree with him on the non built motors, but i do appreciate him at least finally answering some questions. It looks fishy when you refuse to answer details, but want to install forced induction kits on high priced sports cars. So the answers are just what I thought on the non built motors. No fuel return, no larger fuel injectors, no shielded crank angle sensor wire, no upgraded oil pan with cooling vents for the JWT kit like you get with APS. And smaller turbos. I think the JWT kit needs larger fuel injectors rather than getting by on the cheap by running higher pressure through the stock fuel injectors. You could probably run the JWT kit at a fairly low power level and be ok, but I also think you need the fuel return on the stock setup. The engine you save will be your own. I also think the APS turbos provide more air flow and are technically superior. The APS crank angle sensor is needed for safety as well.
I still think the APS TT kit is much better and safer long term for your engine. But at least we have more info now and everyone can make up their own minds, more objectively. Happy boosting for those of us with a need for speed.
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So wait pay how much to move up 100bhp? Several thousand $$$ for a turbo kit that gives 100BHP and takes hours of install time? Ehh just put a bottle in the car and run a 75 shot of gas $500 and you're at the same power level with no lag.
Currently parting out 1990 300zx TT.
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Very informative. Anyone selling a product who isn't absolutely gung-ho about telling people about it is doing something wrong.
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Right with you zlover57. First they (VRT, JWT, and a guy with an installed kit) were all saying they were sworn to secrecy by Jim Wolf himself and absolutely could not divulge anything, but oh, we can and will install it on your car tomorrow if you want, ha. Boy were they getting bad pub (that is putting it nicely) so they now up and do a rethink and a full reversal gainer with a half twist, ha.
Good point cville300zx. TTs are damn expensive. You better really want that power you buy and get it good and plenty for the money. I know I am absolutely CRAZY for buying the APS TT kit and virtually doubling the wheel horsepower on a sportscar that was perfectly good just like it was!!! God help me, but I do love it so!! And besides all that, all the pavement wrinkling power and torque
sounds REAL DANGEROUS!!!!!.........count me in! (he he)
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More Power im $10k into a TT swap on my Z32 I understand dont worry. I had my bottle in the hatch for almost a year. But, its time for more.
Currently parting out 1990 300zx TT.
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cville300zx wrote:
> More Power im $10k into a TT swap on my Z32 I understand dont
> worry. I had my bottle in the hatch for almost a year. But, its
> time for more.
>
We should BOTH be ashamed of ourselves! I work with an MD that was perfectly happy and respectable till he met me and and I contaminated him with my evil ways and my former crazy HKS Stage VI++ Mitsu Eclipse awd turbo. Now that I insist on turning my cute lil 350Z into a fire breathing monster with the APS TTs, he says he can't take it anymore and is coming over outta the forced induction closet! Now he is competely contaminated and ruined for life! He is getting his BMW auto tranny beefed up by the same hooligan evil genius and former Marine that upgraded mine, buiding his engine, and buying a turbo kit. He is now a card carrying foaming at the mouth boost addicted maniac. Everyone at work blames me and says about me, "That young man....is outta his fu*kin mind!" Then this drop dead gorqeous RN, who looks like Snow White with a better figure, with a master's degree no less!, is talking about learning how to drag race! The whole work environment now is in an uproar, like cats and dogs living together...fire and brimestone, devastation and chaos of Biblical proportions!!!! Yeah, my work for today is done...
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>I know I am absolutely CRAZY for buying the APS TT kit and virtually
> doubling the wheel horsepower on a sportscar that was perfectly good
> just like it was!!! God help me, but I do love it so!!
Well, since you had the kit installed, have you dyno'd it yet? It would be interesting to see what the actual numbers come out at.
BTW, be careful about dissing all over JWT, they are reputable company with a solid history.
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I would much rather have the APS kit, or design my own setup and have somebody make the manifolds and piping for me.
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z32d00d wrote:
> BTW, be careful about dissing all over JWT, they are reputable
> company with a solid history.
I tried very hard to make it clear I was not saying anything bad about JWT. The ones playing the BS "I have a secret" game was VRT, not JWT. And I tried to restate that at several places to make sure that was understood. And asking people to let them install the JWT kits, but not wanting to provide any details, again all VRT. Now they (VRT and a person with the kit) said Jim Wolf had them all sworn to secrecy, but that is them talking not Jim Wolf. The dyno chart that is just quite possibly a ringer, again VRT, not JWT. All of the possibly shady practices that I spoke of were VRT, not JWT. So I never really said anything against JWT, just how VRT is marketing JWT.
I do agree JWT is a very reputable company and I mentioned that their cams are at the top of my list. I really tried not to diss the JWT TT kit, itself. I did give my objective opinion of the kit. And at low power levels (compared to what I want) I said I think it is a good kit. And I said if people wanted more modest power gains, at an also lower entry price, it could be their cup of tea. I did disagree with a couple of things in the kit, like the need for larger fuel injectors and a better fuel system, but that is just the way I see it and I was being candid. If you gave your assessment of a kit I'd hope you would be just as candid. Gosh I really try to be fair, even posting that VRT finally came around and fessed up with some details that they had earlier refused to even discuss. I even stated that maybe VRT is doing nothing shady, but they sure were making themselves look that way even if they weren't doing anything wrong. I guess they (VRT) agreed because they are now giving the details out that I and several other pointed out to them as being needed. I don't know, maybe I should just refrain from posting about these things as some people always misunderstand and it's hard to be 100% clear about everything even as long as my posts are. But I never meant any disrespect to JWT.
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Customizing a 350Z turbo kit. I think you are the kind of guy that could do that phxZ31 and make it work. I am not sure I could do the engine managment system programming all by myself. I have done a little of that as an assistant, but I'd need more experience to do it alone. And I am too busy right now to get that experience. I was woring my regular health professions job and doing that sort of thing part time on the side for several years and racing back in the early to mid '90s. I got soooo busy also with my kids and soccer, baskteball, baseball, scouts, etc., shhesssh, that I never really learned everything I needed. And then I kinda got away from forced induction for a couple of years. As embarassing as it is for me to admit that, ha. Then my 350Z reignited my forced induction passions. Maybe some day when I retire I will get back into that. Customizing. With a family to support it is hard to give up your full time job based on your college degree. I had that chance, but did not take it. But you outta do that phxZ31. If you have the chance and don't take it, you never know if that chance will come around again. Customize your own turbo set up, I mean. Don't forget the larger fuel injectors and the fuel return system. Ha! Man that is sure a hell of a lot more interesting to me that health care research. The human body can foul it's plugs and air/fuel ratio even worse than greddy TT kits can bend rods from lack of a good junk yard suitable fuel pump, ha. Such is life...
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Ok, so, dyno?
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So the 350z uses a non return style fuel system? Is it me or are we moving back in time towards motors with carbs (not that there is anythign wrong with carbs).
Currently parting out 1990 300zx TT.
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I think I may know why JWT did not go with bigger fuel injectors and a fuel return system in their kit even though those items are safer for our engines. Now this is my opinion, but here goes. It's much easier to get past CARB emissions if you leave the fuel system stock and just use a rising rate fuel pressure reg. It's also much cheaper to produce a TT system if you delete most of the important fuel system parts..........lol. In the end most if not all JWT customers will need to spend plenty on upgrading their fuel and engine management systems if they are going to reach anywhere like 500 whp. This is what I think will be the power limit of the JWT turbo system as the turbos are very small. That is with a built engine and other upgrades that will wind up costing more than if you went with bigger, better, more expensive turbos. Like APS did. When guys realize this (not much head room for higher power) there will be hell to pay, that's for sure.
So I think it's very dangerous though I can see the method to their madness. Release a TT system which should pass the CARB test and which is much cheaper to produce (than APS) and then sell expensive fuel system and turbo upgrades in the future to the guys who want to make more power and protect their engine from detonation/destruction.
I think you will find that many guys get sucked into this
dangerous system only to find out down the path that they need an
expensive engineered fuel system and engine management to control the
ign timing, afr and boost strategies precisely. The fact that the JWT
system has small turbos will be very annoying to some once they know and
understand the power limitations of the JWT turbos. Maybe JWT's
marketing plan is clever, suck people in with a low price TT system then
up sell to them when they need a bigger/safer fuel system and turbos to
reach their intended power goals.
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heres my take on this subject........ Would not buy anything from Jim Wolf Racing...... Friend bought a supercharger kit for a 1st Gen 240z...... ... Big bucks for half the parts.Had to design a fuel delivery system to make it work.. still had nothing but problems with it..... Heard that when jim Wolf was around company was excellent.. daughter is running the show and
it has gone down hill from there..... just my 2 cents but they will not be getting my money anytime soon no matter what they say the specs are on this equipment........v8-z
drzee
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Yes, cville300zx, that is frustrating that Nissan did not design a return style fuel system from the git go. But Nissan was trying to hold costs down. The lofty price is what kept me and many others away from the Z32 TT back in the early to mid 90s. So I see Nissan's point.
Nissan did design a very good fuel system for stock power. They just disigned in very little room for safe power upgrades without needing to upgrade the fuel system. There was an issue of Sport Z magazine that delt with this very issue in depth about a year ago. I think I posted about it here on this website. The crew chief of the Grand am 350Z team discussed this and the need for a fuel return system for virtually any and all forced induction kits for the 350Z.
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Hey z32d00d, Look back on the recent thread about "catalytic converter". I explained that my tranny upgrades took waaaaaaay longer than expected, ran me into the snow season - have to go to Chicago area from MD to get the APS TT install. I may wait till March or April to drive to Chicago for the APS install now. Too much ice and snow in Chi town now and my 350Z tires just are not that great on snow that I want to go. Only a couple of months away till warmer weather. Yes then I will get the TT install and dyno and post if someone can host so I can do picutes.
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Ah, when you said you love it so much, I thought you meant you had it installed. I'll ask again in April then. :)
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When I talked to Vinny Ten last, we were not talking about the JWT kit, but I am certain he told me for optimum saftey you should go with larger fuel injectors and a fuel return system for any 350Z forced induction. It is not just air/fuel ratio, the fuel return system give you more consistent fuel availabillity and cooler fuel as well. As we discussed, Nissan did not put the fuel return on our 350Zs in order to hold down costs. Understandable and at our stock power levels you don't really need one. It would stil be better, but you don't really need one. But if you go up in power you do really need one.
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An excellent read on why a return style fuel system is desirable on a boost car -
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Making a return style fuel system is easy. I put together at least one a week at work for a customer. All you need is a Summit catalog and to halfway know what you're doing. Get an aeromotive inline pump ditch the whole stock fuel setup and run stainless steel braided line from front to back. Minus the fuel pump itd probably cost $150-$200 and thats using
-8an line. You get a a Mallory 4305m fuel pressure regulator and that adds in where you hook up your return line add another $90 for it and you havent even topped $300 im not sure on the price of the fuel pump but you could always just get a ZEX booster pump ($180) drop it inline of your pre existing pump which thats good for 650bhp and then just tap the gas tank for the return line. All of a sudden for $470 youve got a fuel system that will cover probably more power then your motor can handle. Get a greddy emanage for engine management and you're good to go.
Currently parting out 1990 300zx TT.
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I hear you but these companies leave it out to keep costs down and then they have to lie and say that's safe or they take flack for selling an unsafe kit and also face liability. So they tell you it is safe without it and it has been proven you need one for FI, and people buy the kits and don't know any better....and ....and .....and then you get the Greddy recycling syndrome of VQ engines. Greddy doesn't even put an upgraded fuel pump in the kit yet they tell it's complete and safe. Don't pi$$ down my back and tell me it's raining, Greddy, et al, ha. Hell they used to put fuel returns in Z cars and even Mustangs, no less!
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As an "old school" Z owner (1972 w/in-line 6NA making 250@rwhs) in a 2150 lb car, I was wondering if there is a cost comparison for each of the 350 HP upgrades (0-25, 25-50, 50-100, etc....) and perhaps a hp/wt ratio over dollars spent.
I wish someone had done one up before I started spending money on my engine mods. And one for suspension upgrades would have helped too.
Glad to see that regardless of the year, the quest for more HP makes all Z owners blood rush (and our wallets lighter).
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I think what a lot of you are forgetting is that JWT built this kit from the start with CARB in mind. In order to pass CARB, you CANNOT monkey around with the factory fuel delivery. Your only option is increase the factory injector flow by raising the pressure.
While it may be an attempt to keep costs down, it is more likely the only way to pass CARB.
I will agree that APS is an excellent kit, and if they can ever pass CARB I would be all over it, but JWT is the only other TT mfr out there that is making a serious attempt for CARB. If and when JWT gets a CARB exemption number, we will see the "real" kits and get some real-world numbers.
The hush-hush surrounding the release of this kit is really poor public relations. If APS gets CARB, and we still have no info on JWT, guess where most of the CA (and other emissions testing state) 350s will be getting their TTs.
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Aren't fuel return systems supposed to keep fuel efficiency and unburnt gasses to a minimum? If so, it seems that adding a return fuel system to the 350Z would be an improvement from the perspective of CARB.
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1985 300ZX n/a
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with maybe the exception of nitrous but that only lasts until you run outta juice... quite worthless if you ask me...
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Yes the JWT was designed with stock fuel injectors to pass CARB. The problem is that they are posting 400 wheel hp as well. The laws of physics say it is unsafe to generate 400 wheel hp with the stock fuel injectors. Can't have it both ways. Either keep the power down and still not be that safe with JWT inless you ADD a fuel return to the kit. OR go with the 400 hp to the wheels as JWT is saying as OK and almost guarantee major engine damage real soon.
APS TT kit is very very very close to passing CARB. JWT will pass carb but the way most are trying to run the kit is going to result in a lot of blown engines over the next years in my opinion.
CARB is a CA thing so I don't have to deal with it. Makes my choice real easy. APS all the way.
APS is coming out with a new tuners kit for you daredevils with a fuels system and the monster exhaust and test pipes to support up to 1000 hp.
I am doing witht he standard APS TT kit as of now, but I am contemplating upgrading my exhaust and test pipes from the standard TT 2.5 inch exhaust and 2.5 inch test pipes to the 3 in exhaust and 3.5 inch test pipes. Up around 550 wheel hp (12 ish psi ) is where the larger exhust and test pipes are useful. I will only be running around a sedate (ha) 450 wheel hp or approx 540 engine hp with the APS TT kit at first on my stock internals 350Z engine. But eventually I plan to build the bottom end of the engine and go up to around 550 wheel hp or about 660 engine hp. So it may be better for me to go to the bigger exhaust from the get go. Descions decisions. I think the bigger exhuast is a good bit louder though anfd the standard TT exhaust is a deeper sound but only a little louder than stock.
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I agree phxZ31 that the fuel return is better. And i don't know all the technicalites of CARB. But there are rules that make it far easier to pass carb if you do not modify the stock fuel injectors - which is why JWT kit did not go to larger fuel injectors. I am not sure about the fuel return and CARB. JWT had no fuel return and no larger fuel injectors in the standard kit. That makes it unsafe in my opinion period and very unsafe at the power levels they are touting. There seem to be people willing to take that risk so in the next year it will be intesting to see how their game of Russian Roulette with their VQs engines works out. I am predicting mucho KABOOM what are your bets? See Greddy blown engines for reference, ha. (Granted Greddy is even worse, but JWT - I predict mucho KABOOM even so.)
APS with the bigger fuel injectors and fuel return is very close to passing CARB as we speak.
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hey BTW is the monster exhuast from APS released yet? i downloaded the video of it from their site, and i love the sound through the Bose speaker in my room but... i really want to see it and hear it on my car... any ideas on price or anything?
and is that what they're gonna call it? Monster Exhaust? i'm sorry but that's a little cheezy... Hey man Check out my Monster Exhuast...lol
anyways... i'm refraining from buying anything Non-APS at the time for the sake of future investments... and also to keep brands all the same... sorry i'm just particular like that...
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Yes, I agree, monster exhaust would sound cheezy. It called "APS Dual 3" High Output Cat Back Exhaust System". It's available now or almost immediately. I don't know the price yet. I need to think about this as perhaps I should go with the APS 3" exhaust, 3.5" test pipes, and big fuel system from the get go as I plan to eventully build the bottom end of the engine for bigger power.
Here is some feedback from someone who has heard the 3" exhaust on a 790 wheel hp APS TT 350 Z test car, "Below 2000 rpm the exhaust does boom/drone, that's for sure though once you get past 2000 rpm the exhaust is surprisingly quiet for such a huge exhaust system and If you're running high flow cats then the exhaust is certainly quiter again."
For sure the APS 2.5" true dual exhaust will be quieter. LIke stock but a deeper growl only.
Here is a link to pictures of 3" APS exhaust on a G35 and 350Z:
Here is a link to the APS 3.5" test pipes that complement the 3"exhaust:
here's a short list for the APS 350Z Extreme Performance fuel system, that goes beyond the fuel system included in the APS 350Z TT kit (standard kit fuel system is good for 500 wheel hp or approx 602 engine hp).
1) 880 cc fuel injectors
2) billet fuel rails with twin fuel regs
3) full fuel return system
4) bolt in hi volume twin fuel pump assembly
This large APS fuel system will be sufficient fuel supply for around 1000 hp.
Yes, it was bad before
But now with these new items I fear I am
An APS whore!
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I think the 3" exhaust has angled tips for the g35 and straight tips for the 350Z. I am checking on that. Mine is a daily driver so I may stay with the 2.5" exhaust. LIke hell I will! The 2.5" is just as good for me now (450 wheel hp or 540 engine hp) but the 3" is better for where I eventually want to be (550 wheel hp or 660 enging hp). If I could afford to build the engine now, which I can not, this would all be a moot point. Actually my tranny is good for up to 600 lb ft of torque at the wheels so I may try to eventaully get to bout 600 wheel hp. There is a reserve there with the tranny. As the tranny guy estimates it will handle up to 800 lb. ft torque at the wheels but he only guarantees it to 600 torque at the wheels. Oh sh*t, I am starting to get those More Power ideas again. I can feel the red mist rising. Just when I thought it was safe...
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lol... you must love going fast... i thought (for a while at least) in going into top fuel drag racing... amongst other things such as Indy car, and Outlaws...but i need to go to racing school first i think that might be beneficial...
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Update on APS Dual 3 in. High Output exhaust:
Available Now. Now the price I have here is from a non APS dearer in Chicago, but who does install APS and other 350Z turbo kits: "$1495 MSRP... online only venders will probably whore them around 1200 in private quotes i expect."
I think this 3 in. exhaust fits as is only if you also have the APS TT kit.
In the last 4 hours I have definitely moved more toward this 3" exhaust and 3.5 inch test pipes. I like that it is straight tip rarther than angled as I previously thought it was going to be (on 350Z it is straight tip; it is angled on G35). My thinking is that at the 11.5 psi I will be running, I will probably be at or close to 500 hp at the wheels (600 engine hp) and at that power range the bigger exhaust and 3.5 inch test pipes starts to peform better than the APS 2.5 inch exhaust and test pipes.
I have to think a lot more about the APS extreme fuel system. I really kinda liked the idea of running for several years at about 450 wheel hp on stock engine internals and then moving up to 600 wheel hp as my final goal. But it might be better to just bite the damn bullet and build the engine now, go with the racing exhaust and test pipes, and extreme performance fuel system. The local community college says they will be glad to give me my old second job back of teaching medical terminology and medical coding 2 nights a week and on Saturdays. What could possibly go wrong? (That is a rhetorical statement; not a question, ha.)
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Get into drag racing in bracket racing and see if you like it. It does not cost much money and is approximately 1000 times more exciting than it appears to be as a spectator.
My problem is at 600 hp or well over 700 engine hp, I will be running quicker than 11.5 sec. qtrs. And the !!##!$! NHRA requires a full NHRA roll bar at quicker than 11.5 sec. I do NOT want a roll bar in my 350Z for many reasons. Mine is a daily driver. I know how others have gotten around this rule, well sort of, but it is kinda underhanded...
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you teach medical term!?!?!?! i need to start talking more to you then... i had to go through medical term during my school for Medical Assistant... i now have FULL certification through NAHP so my name is now trailed by "NRCMA" like John Doe, MD... mine is Anthony Mendez, NRCMA
woo hoo!!! but my medical term teacher just got to class LATE, sat in front of the class told us to read in out books and proceeded to eat her Grandy's EVERY MORNING... so i am basically self taught in medical term... needless to say when faculty evaluations came around... she was fired...
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Nah, I havn't taught it since 1993. I just got too busy. I might have to go back to teaching it though if I build the engine. I'd be so rusty with medical terminology, maybe better for me to just teach medical coding part-time cause I do that all the time. My job is in health care epidemiology research. My positon is senior medical coding analyst/consultant and I pull data as well using the mainframe and PC. I am an R.H.I.A. or registered health information administrator. We used to be R.R.A.'s or registered record administrators till we had to get grandiose and move to all new glorified acronyms, ha. Semantics is the last resort of true scoundrels!
The more I think of the APS 3 inch exhaust and 3.5" test pipes, the more sense it makes. Beatiful in its simplicity. Clean and functional looking to me. Massive air flow that lessens exhaust restrictions somewhere when you get 10 to 12 psi compared to the 2.5" exhaust and test pipes.
Yes, I do love to go fast. Once one has felt the pull of 400 hp at the wheels, it will forever change your destiny...ha but TRUE! Some people say why not just go with a Z06. I just love my Z car much better and I can easily get to 700 hp at the engine with just rods and pistons and the items I've mentioned. That is still before you start beaking axles and drive shafts and things start getting real expensive. There aren't many street cars that can run with that with the racing automatic set up to come off the line like it is. I do agree that manuals are more fun in curves, though. More fun period.
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yeah i'm thinking i might have some knee trouble later down the road too... i was jumping up some stairs... didn't fll or anything but when i got to the top i could feel a very sharp and uncomfortable pain just stabbing into my knee...
luckily it's my gas foot and not my clutch.... so i will still have my standard!!!
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