A&Q about 350Z
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i started this over on the 90 96 board but wanna know about these too, my friend was talkin trash about mustangs and camaros beatin z's and stuff, and when i showed him the facts about the z28 and gt's getting whooped by tt z32's he brought up the cobras and ss's so what hp does a 350z put out and could it compare to these??? thanks
1982 280zx, '86 300zx, and my newest acquisition of pride and joy an 87 turbo
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You saw the video I posted in the 90-96 right, just show him that and it'll shut him up.
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Road & Track Executive Editor, Richard Homan 1994
"Give me a 300ZX Twin Turbo and a three-day
weekend in the Sierra Nevadas, and i'll come back
with the meaning of life."
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Yeah...if only the 350Z could have been brought in at even a smidgeon under 3000 lbs....what joy would fill my heart, sigh.
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"If someone was looking for a bare-bones sports car in the new (or slightly-used) market, what would you recommend?"
S2000 belly belly nice, but $$$, and not exactly practical. Miata of course is a fantastic car, but dog slow and again, not exactly practical. Too bad they don't make a hatchback version of either of those!
I *would* recommend a 240SX (for to turbo the KA24 or drop in an SR20DET), but seeing as I can't find one meself, I don't want the competition!
Although these are halcyon days for lovers of horsepower, which I DO have a fondness for :), pickins are VERY slim for lovers of minimalist, practical, lightweight sports cars.
Dan "still waiting for the 2nd coming of the 240Z" Baldwin
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lotus elise
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03 CS Touring
VIN #189
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Z32's could pull high 13's around 13.7 stock on the 1/4 mile, add a boost controller and exhuast and your in the 12's.
F-bodies just got smoked.
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Road & Track Executive Editor, Richard Homan 1994
"Give me a 300ZX Twin Turbo and a three-day
weekend in the Sierra Nevadas, and i'll come back
with the meaning of life."
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If you want to see the Atom in action, there is a video here:
The video file is over 42 MBs, so it will take a while to download if you don't have a high bandwidth connection.
The video is a review by Top Gear. The Atom beat a Honda CBR 600 around their track.
"Smokey, this is not Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
-Walter Sobchak
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F-bodies are purpose built straight line cars, but there number's are the same as a Z which are not purpose built for drag.
Car & Driver stats:
2001 Camaro Z28
Horsepower: 310 bhp @ 5200 rpm, not to the WHEELS like you keep
saying and if it were to wheels it should be running better times than all the mags recorded.
Curb Weight: 3323 lbs,
0-60: 5.5 sec
1/4 13.8@105.4
about exactly the same times as Z32 which has 10 less hp and 60 lbs less tq???
Again this is a group of profesionals documenting the performance of the vehicle behind a profesional driver.
And the 2001 SS, Curb Weight: 3,553.9 lbs. (heavier than a Z33/Z32TT),
Horsepower: 325 bhp @ 5200 rpm
0-60 mph: 5.2 sec
Chevrolet Camaro Z28 13.9@99 slower?
See there nothing a Z cant handle...
True they are much better drag cars, and for power issue's there is no replacement for discplacement
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Road & Track Executive Editor, Richard Homan 1994
"Give me a 300ZX Twin Turbo and a three-day
weekend in the Sierra Nevadas, and i'll come back
with the meaning of life."
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Thing 1: A stock 350Z will do even the 105 you quote for a Z28 in the quarter only in its DREAMS.
F-bodies have NEVER been designed as pure straight-line drag cars, they are cheap, crude, but effective all-around performance cars. They actually do very well in autocross, usually beating 350Z's.
Never seen a mag doing better than ~102mph in a 350Z, average right at 100, right at 14.0 sec. Actual results at the track, which are usually slower in the "real world", I've seen stock 350Zs doing low-mid 14s at close to 100, and stock LS1's doing mid 13s at 105+. I saw my buddy do a 13.4 at 107+.
Chevy can blame themselves that they actually underrated the LS1's power output in the F-body. Fact is, they DO put over 300 to the wheels, even though they're only rated by Chevy at ~310 at the crank. At the same dyno where I see 350Z's do 242 to the wheels. My buddy's TOTALLY STOCK 2002 Z28 Ls1 6speed did 308 to the wheels. Another buddy's SS LS1/auto with light mods (headers, low-restriction intake, LS1Edit) did 318 to the wheels. At the same dyno, 350Z's do 242 to the wheels (and my 240Z 3.1 has done 255 and 238 to the wheels on different occasions).
Stock LS1 F-bodies are MUCH quicker/faster than stock 300ZXTT's or 350Z's. Period.
As mentioned before, the SS and WS6 cars are really just wheel/tire/shocks/appearance packages, no more real power though they rated them higher. The one you mention above MUST be a convertible, only way it would weigh over 3500 lb.
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Yeah Dan, I think you are right. I think Chevy understated the hp on some of those cars of which you speak. The 305 hp Mustang Cobras could not quite stay up with them though on paper it looked more even than it was in a straight line.
I still very much prefer our 350Zs for more refinement and as a better driver's car as most on this thread have agreed. And I have driven and/or raced most of the muscle cars discussed here.
My 350Zs suspension is just set up the way I, personally, like it to feel and react. Very precisely stays where I put it. And very forgiving if I have to tighten my line in pesky decreasing radius curves. Or if I misjudge a curve I'm not familiar with. Very forgiving at the limits if one does break loose a bit - Easy to control the slight understeer with proper application of the throttle. Good torque coming out of the apex of curves. We all have our little preferences in the way a performance car should feel in the handling dept. The very first time I test drove a 350Z, I thought this car is set up just the way I like it handling-wise. I was sold right there and love mine more than ever after a little over a year of ownership.
I am going to get the APS twin turbos, Tall Boy Plenum, true dual exhaust, test pipes, and that should handle all of the power reqirements I have for a street car. And part time racer and drag racer. There will always be faster cars, no matter how much power you have. This car just works right for me.
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I already posted CAR AND DRIVER times for you and you don't even believe them.
A Z32TT is in the 3400lbs area not 3500,
The reason I didnt post the Z times is becuase being that we are in a Z forum filled with Z enthusiast you would think we all know the times our cars run.
and I did one last search and the first thing I found was . How is it that you and your buddies cars are magically faster than all the profesional reviewers. I have no doubt that z28's can do low 13's high 12's just not bone stock. A 300whp car would reflect the times you have been saying, but why havent any of the Magazines or web sites seen the numbers you claim out of a bone stock camaro, becuase it IS BHP not rwhp.
Go back to your Chevy forums.
This topic is old and im done waisting my time with you...
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Road & Track Executive Editor, Richard Homan 1994
"Give me a 300ZX Twin Turbo and a three-day
weekend in the Sierra Nevadas, and i'll come back
with the meaning of life."
Post Edited (Jun 18, 4:30pm)
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14.0 at 105?! That "professional" obviously can't launch a car worth a damn. But STILL, not stock Z32TT even did 105 in the 1/4, much less a Z33. Quick search found this http://www.eurotuned.com/0-60.htm (dunno the sources, but looks like from magazine testing):
Z32TT: 14.2, 13.8, 14.4, 13.9
LS1: 13.7, 13.6, 13.8, 13.4
Looks like the very QUICKEST Z32TT times are the same as the very SLOWEST LS1 times. No Z33s, but we all know they're way slower anyway...
No lie, my buddy's BONE STOCK (i.e., stock air filter, stock taxi-cab/copcar sounding exhaust, absolutely UNmodified in ANY way) did 308hp at the wheels, like I said above, at a dyno that gives reasonable results (242rwhp for a 350Z). Apparently (from talking to him, I don't have first-hand info for other LS1 F-bodies), this is totally normal. GM underrated it in the base Z28 and Trans Am models likely to accentuate the performance in the Corvette. Which though rated at 350 (LS1) generally put the same power to the wheels as the F-body.
Same BONE STOCK car did 13.4 at over 107 at New England Dragway. If there's been a better performance bargain, I don't know what it is.
Again, I have an LT1 Z28, and a GM F-body is NOT my favorite car! Numb-but-heavy steering, creaking body, live axle all OVER the place over bumps, etc.
But you should give credit where it is due to the LS1 versions. They were FAST.
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agreed...
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Road & Track Executive Editor, Richard Homan 1994
"Give me a 300ZX Twin Turbo and a three-day
weekend in the Sierra Nevadas, and i'll come back
with the meaning of life."