A&Q about 350Z
Q:
CA VC Section 5004: Vehicles of Historic Value
For those curious what those three vehicle codes are:
26709. (a) Every motor vehicle registered in a foreign jurisdiction
and every motorcycle subject to registration in this state shall be
equipped with a mirror so located as to reflect to the driver a view
of the highway for a distance of at least 200 feet to the rear of
such vehicle.
Every motor vehicle subject to registration in this state, except
a motorcycle, shall be equipped with not less than two such mirrors,
including one affixed to the left-hand side.
(b) The following described types of motor vehicles, of a type
subject to registration, shall be equipped with mirrors on both the
left- and right-hand sides of the vehicle so located as to reflect to
the driver a view of the highway through each mirror for a distance
of at least 200 feet to the rear of such vehicle:
(1) A motor vehicle so constructed or loaded as to obstruct the
driver's view to the rear.
(2) A motor vehicle towing a vehicle and the towed vehicle or load
thereon obstructs the driver's view to the rear.
(3) A bus or trolley coach.
(c) The provisions of subdivision (b) shall not apply to a
passenger vehicle when the load obstructing the driver's view
consists of passengers.
27150. (a) Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all
times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and
properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and
no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass,
or similar device.
(b) Except as provided in Division 16.5 (commencing with Section
38000) with respect to off-highway motor vehicles subject to
identification, every passenger vehicle operated off the highways
shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant
operation and properly maintained so as to meet the requirements of
Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200), and no muffler or
exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar
device.
(c) The provisions of subdivision (b) shall not be applicable to
passenger vehicles being operated off the highways in an organized
racing or competitive event conducted under the auspices of a
recognized sanctioning body or by permit issued by the local
governmental authority having jurisdiction.
27600. No person shall operate any motor vehicle having three or
more wheels, any trailer, or semitrailer unless equipped with
fenders, covers, or devices, including flaps or splash aprons, or
unless the body of the vehicle or attachments thereto afford adequate
protection to effectively minimize the spray or splash of water or
mud to the rear of the vehicle and all such equipment or such body or
attachments thereto shall be at least as wide as the tire tread.
This section does not apply to those vehicles exempt from
registration, trailers and semitrailers having an unladen weight of
under 1,500 pounds, or any vehicles manufactured and first registered
prior to January 1, 1971, having an unladen weight of under 1,500
pounds.
And that is all the official information I could obtain online. The only real problem with obtaining a historical vehicle plate in California would be the result of misinformed workers at the DMW. They may not know these plates exist or force you into smog checks and inspections. They are not required.
Another problem is to prove a Datsun 240Z is of historic interest. A Ford GT, Shelby Cobra, or a Lamborghini Miura would have no problem. I'm sure those genuinely vintage car guys would raise an eyebrow to a mass produced Z car.
Since the California DMV workers are as competent as those at the welfare department (or my school's financial aid department) you just need to get lucky with who you get. They can give you hell or give you no problems at all. (There are many online accounts of various people who attempted this.) Getting a personalised plate is less 'risky' and much easier. That is what I have on my 240Z right now.
The perks of obtaining a historic vehicle plate is mainly for monetary savings in registration and also insurance premiums. Check your local state's fees for such plate. In North Carolina for example it's more expensive to have historic vehicle plates.
And for clarification purposes, a "historic vehicle license plate" is not a vintage plate from the YOM of your car. It is a separate plate that is issued new which reads "Historic Vehicle" and comes with a distinct serial number.
1971 240Z
"Fear is exciting for me." -Ayrton Senna
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In Texas there is Antique and Collector class.
Antique is any vehicle 25 years old - period.
Antique class is limited to so many miles driven per year (3,000) like most standard collector insureance - but the state doesn't check on this.
You can get the official "Antique Car" plate or find Texas plates for the year your car was made. Even if they were issued the DMV will check them out for you and OK them - since old plate are no longer current.
Price = price of your vehicle for a year (by weight) most of my cars & truck are $ 53 - now get this - you only register every four (4) years.
That's $53.00 for 4 years.
Inspection for Antique class is none. nada zilch none non-existant no longer applys - no worries mate -
and that means no emissions test either.
If you want to be really cool, you can get and afix an inspection sticker for the year of your car.
I've seen cars restored to factory new with plate, inspection sticker for that year and dealer prep papers and sticker price sheet on the cars. It kinda makes em trailer queens but then it is something to see.
Now about no inspections: ZXelda doesn't have a cat now and doesn't ever need one - until & if Texas remains sane about antique cars and leaves things alone.
Of course insurance for an antique - since ZXelda just turned 25 - $122 for everything-fire theft collission liability cost of car replacement - if I set a higher value then insurance would be alittle higher.
Anyway - so far so good deal.
Ed and Jeanne's
ZXelda 1981 280 ZXT: ZXena 1990 300 ZX
1941 Buick Special Sedanette (Betty)
1956 Dodge Royal (Dorothy)
1971 Buick Riviera (Rita)
1975 Ford F-150 Stepside (Fiona)
1992 Firebird (Frieda)
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All your paperwork and surrendered plates are sent to Sacramento where the decision is made on the true historical significance of your request.
Write an accurate and concise 'statement of fact' or you may be rejected.
Example: We had this guy come to our club meeting and ask about HV plates and procedures. I gave him the form for the plate request, he came back a month later complaining that he was rejected, had now lost his original blue and plates and was issued new current white plates.
In his statement of fact he 'stated' that part of the reason he wanted HV plates was to never smog his car again.
Can we all say bone-head.
In California the laws as read are objective, but as applied are subjective.
A:
haha eeuhm i want HV plates so i never have to smog agian ..
jeez .. he can write me a letter to the Dutch tax office that i want to loose my Social seceruty number so i can never be taxed agian LOL
You can sleep in your car, but cant drive in your house
if you are fully in control, you are not driving fast enough!
79 ZXR 46K!
81 ZXT EURO 2+2
83 ZXT
All fine Fastback winnabego's
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"Another problem is to prove a Datsun 240Z is of historic interest. A Ford GT, Shelby Cobra, or a Lamborghini Miura would have no problem. I'm sure those genuinely vintage car guys would raise an eyebrow to a mass produced Z car."
Hmmmmmmmmmm....
It is a SUBJECTIVE criteria, and much as you want to whine about it, that is the way it is!
And that criteria bets even MORE difficult when the car had a CATALYST on it----they CAN make you get a SMOG! If the vehicle is due, or is being transferred outside of 90 days of a current smog certificate being issued for the vehicle, because you are registering Historic doesn NOT exempt you from the SMOG requirements.
Don't start spreading misinformation due to your exasperation over the process!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Rules of the REAL WORLD!
"In California the laws as read are objective, but as applied are subjective."
Yes, EXACTLY!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Tony, I did not paraphrase what you said in that other thread. Since you blatantly refused to help me out I did my own research and posted what I found. Your defensiveness is totally unfounded. If you knew so much then why didn't you share it in the first place?
You should already know your position and mine. You don't need to assert yourself like this. I just find it all amusing.
1971 240Z
"Fear is exciting for me." -Ayrton Senna
Post Edited (May 15, 3:20pm)
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Damn, Cali is no joke when it comes down to antique and collectors plate, I'm glad i'm a Texas resident and hopefully make it back there as soon as my enlistment in the Air Force is up (10 months). By the way thanks to all of you for posting really good info on the site, so far this is the only site I ever used to fix whatever has gone wrong with my car.
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I answered your questions in the other post---apparently you missed that part.
And it is a paraphrasing of exactly what I said, which is why I posted.
It's kind of a "how did he miss that in my last post"?
I'm incredulous, not defensive.
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What you enumerated was the stuff a historic vehicle is not exempted from when plated.
The operative phraseology in the statute is as follows:
5004(f) As used in this section, a vehicle is of historic interest if
it is collected, restored, maintained, and operated by a collector or
hobbyist principally for purposes of exhibition and historic vehicle
club activities.
Which means NO DAILY DRIVERS.
People who use their HV Plated vehicles as daily drivers are the reason they are getting so subjective, and are the ones screwing the REST of us who truly MEET the definition of "collector" and are not using the plates simply as an unethical dodge of this fee or that.
If it's daily driven, it needs to have standard plates on it, and the fees need to be paid.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
Post Edited (May 15, 6:07pm)
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Tony, you were so determined to prove how my '71 240Z is different from an S130 that you began to make arguements against me that had no pertinence to my situation and made assumptions based on zero facts. Again, you are making comments against me about historic vehicle plated cars not being daily drivers.
It seems like you have an ulterior purpose for your comments. Do you have problems expressing your thoughts openly or are you just trying to play word games? Most men don't have the patience. So do us all a favour and speak up. I'd surely like to hear what your motives are for all this rambling.
Also, you are not the only person in the world who would have said something like: "Another problem is to prove a Datsun 240Z is of historic interest. A Ford GT, Shelby Cobra, or a Lamborghini Miura would have no problem. I'm sure those genuinely vintage car guys would raise an eyebrow to a mass produced Z car."
I obtained the information from a Lotus Elan owner in Palos Verdes. He is an acquaintance of mine and I paraphrased his words to my taste. When I said I was not paraphrasing you that was exactly what I meant.
Just because somebody around you looks like a dumb jackass does not automatically give you the excuse to act like a jackass as well. Perhaps that's why so many of your posts are deleted.
1971 240Z
"Fear is exciting for me." -Ayrton Senna
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Ken,
I don't know where you are coming from. You jumped into a thread in Tech about a guy who wanted information about an S130.
You made inferrences that getting a HVP is a breeze, as your friends 71's had no problems.
I simply pointed out that a 71 IS NOT an S130, and that an S130 is going to have problems getting a plate. I also made mention that getting the plate on ANY Datsun was a subjective exercise at the DMV due to some preconceived notions, and that just because the thing meets all the stated criteria, it is not a slam dunk.
That is called 'information'.
Now you come on saying (after the fact) that you paraphrased other peoples thoughts on the subject without giving them the credit they deserve, and claim I have a problem expressing my thought openly? Do you often take other peoples words and use them as your own without crediting them? At least I was working form firsthand experiences and from what an accumulated knowledge base of applying for four plates on my own and helping countless others get plates (probably 20 to 50) has revealed to me, and others who have posted like sentiments in these posts.
I really don't know what your problem is, but you seemed upset that I suggested instead of confusing the issue and threadjacking the current S130 themed thread, you start your own.
To your credit, you did, but at the same time you made statements in it that were not true! Getting the plates (especially on initial transfer or initial registration) will NOT get you out of any SMOG requirements.
There is a LOT more to getting these plates than simply reading the laws, filling out the forms, and submitting the paperwork--ESPECIALLY on vehicles in the S30 body class that have catalysts on them.
For that matter, the preponderance of people ABUSING the plates means that we MUST bring forth the RESTRICTIONS on usage. You, yourself mentioned the "main advantage" to get a plate is decreased fees. Well, that must becoming from YOU (or some uncredited other person) as there are OTHER advantages to having even a SINGLE HVP plated car on the books in CA. But that will take some more in-depth reading of the DMV/CVC on your part. For people with more than one car, who have done engine changes, or who own "parts cars" the advantages of what you are not required to do when you ahve an HVP plated car FAR outweigh the paltry fees due.
The fee argument is tied directly into a vehicle that is daily driven. If you want to stop fees altogether, NON-OP on the car is FAR cheaper, and a MOVING PERMIT is FREE! You can move the vehicle in almost unlimited manner with a moving permit while it's on a non-op, and there are NO FEES WHATSOEVER.
Since you call into question my manhood, and do backhanded sarcastic comments about "real men not having the time", I hope this has opened your eyes to just a FEW of the "ulterior reasons" I "ramble on" with this topic. I know a lot about it, and I just hate to see ignorant people spouting half-truths and inferring unethical reasons for getting a collector vehicle plate. It's because of peopel who are dodging fees, and daily driving on HVP's that the plates have become progressively harder and harder to obtain! So by giving as much information as possible TRUTHFULLY and BEFORE someone starts the process, they dont' get the wrong idea or come into the process with the wrong idea that they will be able to do things with the vehicle that they can not do!
As for paraphrasing, I found it interesting that you felt the need to repost information already posted on the forum. The day before. What does that say about you?
Instead of taking shots at my manhood, or inferring your uber-manhood, realize people here have done it, and if you are confused by the process, instead of whining about it and commenting on DMV employees intelligence, consider becomeing active in organizations that will promote and further hobby auto interests. From your postings in the past, it is clear you are out for yourself, wether it means that is detrimental to others makes no regard-----so from that past history making assumptions about daily driven cars and ethical dodges is not that much of a stretch.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
A:
"Again, you are making comments against me about historic vehicle plated cars not being daily drivers."
AND TO CLARIFY:
The statement of a FACT as to WHY HVP Plates are becoming progressively harder to obtain IS NOT AN ASSAULT AGAINST ANY INDIVIDUAL----IT IS A STATEMENT OF FACT!
That you CHOOSE to be offended by the STATEMENT OF FACT denotes a guilty concience, perhaps, but that is YOUR problem, not mine!
Once again, I am stating the REASONS for what is happening, that someone chooses to make a simple statement apply to their individual case is THEIR problem, not mine.
I do, however, go on in the above post to explain WHY it would be perfectly acceptable to infer your use as a daily drive, based on your statements of the past.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Well I agree on tony knowing his stuff at the DMV.. as i have seen him work some stuff out on my 6.5 car container
You can sleep in your car, but cant drive in your house
if you are fully in control, you are not driving fast enough!
79 ZXR 46K!
81 ZXT EURO 2+2
83 ZXT
All fine Fastback winnabego's
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Hey people! If I wnat this kind of abuse -
I'll go home to my wife.
Ed and Jeanne's
ZXelda 1981 280 ZXT: ZXena 1990 300 ZX
1941 Buick Special Sedanette (Betty)
1956 Dodge Royal (Dorothy)
1971 Buick Riviera (Rita)
1975 Ford F-150 Stepside (Fiona)
1992 Firebird (Frieda)
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Below is Michian's requirements for Historic Plates.
A Historical vehicle must be:
• 26 or more model years old.
• Owned solely as a collector’s item
• Used only for events such as historical club activities, parades, and car shows.
Note: A designated historical vehicle cannot be used for routine transportation.
Add to the above the standard requirements for plates on a car including seat belts, catalytic converters, etc... Basic rule, if the car new was equipped then it must have that part now. The Secretary of State does not check, the State Police check, and their inspectors are ASE mechanics as well as State Police.
There are many other types of vanity plates - Veterans, Classical, Standard, Personalized, Fund Raising and Non-profit organizations plates.
And you all think you have it tough with smog inspections - HA
1981 280ZX Turbo
60,000 original miles
Still OEM (except for tires, fluids, and filters or course)
Swartz Creek, Michigan
It's a dog-eat-dog world out there, and I'm wearing milk bone underpants.
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The place where the State Police pulled us over in a still sponsor-stickered 66 Ice Racing Corvair, and asked us where our handbrake was?
And when my friend pulled it from beneath the fiberglass racing seat and showed him the lever and said "We just haven't had the time to fit the other bracket to it yet" the MSP Trooper just pushed his hat back on his head and said "get out of here, and slow down!"
The inspection criteria in Michigan are a BREEZE compared to California.
You only have a visual component, and not functional. Here you have to have it, and it MUST work, or it doesn't pass.
There is no statewide inspection requirement for vehicles in Michigan, there is the ubiquitous SMOG here, and that kills enough cars to keep the junkyards full of late models!
BTW, flying in to Detroit Metro 330pm Friday for a jaunt up to Tawas. Anybody want to visit me at the "Cottage on the Lake?"
Not that I want to drive in Detroit Getaway Traffic, but that's the flight schedule...
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Well, Tony if you are coming up 75 to go to Tawas, you'll hit my neck of the woods right around dinner time.
1981 280ZX Turbo
60,000 original miles
Still OEM (except for tires, fluids, and filters or course)
Swartz Creek, Michigan
It's a dog-eat-dog world out there, and I'm wearing milk bone underpants.
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Saginaw, etc....you know the route!
That's the way I'll be going.
Cel 909.286.2981
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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There's actually two routes to go:
94 to 275N to 96W to 23N which runs into 75 just south of Flint (which is where I"m at). It cuts off travelling east 40 miles just to come back west 60 miles, about an extra hour.
Or you can go east 40 miles on 94 until you get to 75 and then head back north and west straight up.
Plan for "cool" weather - mid-50's. It's been a very wet, cool spring.
I'll ring you up just about when you're passing.
1981 280ZX Turbo
60,000 original miles
Still OEM (except for tires, fluids, and filters or course)
Swartz Creek, Michigan
It's a dog-eat-dog world out there, and I'm wearing milk bone underpants.
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Usually go that way, Bro lived in Novi for a while and got used to taking that route.
Don't like 75 through the city.
I'll have the phone on.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Tony, you're trying too hard. When you began to make arguments that had no hint of logic I could not take you seriously any more.
If you have a problem with me registering my 240Z as a historic vehicle then you need to say to directly. I am not into playing word games.
I don't see a problem in doing just that. By the time I renew the registration on my 240Z I would have a B110 daily driver as well as a deposit put down for a brand new vehicle for '08. I won't be driving the 240Z more than 6000 miles a year after that. Being the King of Assumptions I am sure you already knew that.
Instead of making false assumptions and making crude judgements against me perhaps you should take a class in logic at a college. I can't believe you have gotten to where you are in life by not having the ability to construct a valid argument that isn't full of fallacies. Your lack of logic is appalling to say the least. I am surely not going to fall for any of them.
I always respected you for your knowledge in cars. However I never had a hint of respect for you as a person. An adult who acts as juvenile as yourself has no place in my life.
1971 240Z
"Fear is exciting for me." -Ayrton Senna
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"If you have a problem with me registering my 240Z as a historic vehicle then you need to say to directly."
I don't see it that way, and frankly am suprised that after meeting me in person you think I would NOT state that clearly.
In other words, if I HAVEN'T said I have a problem with you registering it, then I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
People who know me (as I THOUGHT you did)---KNOW if I have a problem with something, I WILL SAY SO. Not stating that I have a problem with something LOGICALLY means I don't have a problem with it. Why should someone state every time they DON'T have a problem with it---you talk about logic, but think for a second about what you are implying: stating clearly when I DON'T have a problem with something? Ludicrous! Why in the would would any sane person go around stating to people to what he DOESN'T have a problem?
To think I would have do this seems a bit strange.
Should I be walking around saying "I have no problem with you, Mr. Gay Dude mincing about in a pink Tutu and walking your toy poodle?"
Or
"I have no problem with you buying a GM"
Or
"I have no problem with you dating a girl half your age."
Or
"I have no problem with you dating that ugly girl"
or etc.... SEE THE POINT?
If I had to delineate where I DON'T have a problem with something, I would almost have to post to EVERY post here...
That seems like an odd thing to say, and frankly I'm suprised that you think someone has to preface their comments with something like "I have no problem with you doing this but..." Seems a bit insecure to me, like you are looking for a reason to take issue with someone.
A much more LOGICAL course of action would be to state when I DO have a problem wth something. To simply post to a topic DOES NOT IMPLY I have any problem with whatever is being poosted, and if I haven't stated that there is a problem (and...uh...I did clearly state the reason for posting was INNACURATE?IRRELEVANT/MISLEADING INFORMATION BEING POSTED) then one doesn't exist.
Talk about someone having a problem with ASSUMPTIONS! You are ASSUMING that anyone posting to one you your threads has a personal problem with YOU? Not logical!
It really is simply a matter of you posting milseading information, and me trying to get the CORRECT information out there.
To say someone must preface a statement shows just how oversensitive (or guilty) you really are---sadly, this must be a trait in younger people today, as it seems to be the norm.
Where has this world come that children such as yourself have gotten quick phrases like "just kidding" as a tack on to every phrase they say---just to make a veneer to smooth over any oversensitive ears that might be offended. Grow up and learn that because someone has issue with false and misleading 'facts' you post does not mean they have issues with you!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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"I won't be driving the 240Z more than 6000 miles a year after that. "
Curious, as you mention that, it would disqualify you for most "Classic and Collector Car" insurance policies. Generally 2500 to 3500 miles a year is considered "collector car driving".
Matter of fact, if you get into definitions, the average daily driver commuter car still is defined as between 10 and 12,000 miles a year.
So you are still more along the lines of a "Daily Driver" than a "Collector Car" and this goes to the earlier statement that ethically you are in a very fringe area of the law, and it looks more like you are trying to dodge fees more than actually put the car into collector car status...
Personally, I would say that you shouldn't HVP plate the car.
And here we go, for you pleasure: If I didn't have a problem with you registering that car as a HVP before, now that you have made that statement, I DO have a problem with it. It puts you squarely in the realm of "People who are part of the problem and abusing the system making it harder for others" than "Legitimate HVP Plate Applicant".
So there you have it, till you clearly stated you mileage, I really didn't have a problem with your actions. Now that you have revealed your motives, I have clearly stated my objections, and the reasons why. And really it validates my suspicios alluded to earlier. I really wouldn't have expected differently judging from your past stated motives...it's kind of sad that I didn't have a problem based just on that past experience, but that you validated it all. Most daily driven Z's here are in the 6000 mile range. Do a poll, or search the older posts where that yearly mileage question was asked.
I hope that makes you happier now, knowing that.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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I am truly disappointed to say the least. You're just too stubborn to admit it. You know full well that I've read your intent and purpose for your posting since the beginning of this discussion was to point out my "unethical" attempt to get HVP's. Nothing else can explain your irrelevant postings of vehicle's intented use or mileage restrictions. As I have already posted a link to a DMV page explaining those things I found it odd that you mention them again and again and again.
But you are an odd man. In your stubborn attempt to get a simple point across me you lost all your dignity. You make flawed arguments and irrelevant statements and justify them all by making emotionally driven remarks that still makes no sense. Your arguing skills and lack of any logical thought are befitting of a high school drama queen.
You can call me sensitive. I am sensitive to baffoons who like the sound of their own bloated lips burbling away. I find that rather annoying.
1971 240Z
"Fear is exciting for me." -Ayrton Senna
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Even in this short post there are a TON of fallacies. I can only scrape the surface of revealing your flawed logic. But I'm sure any decent person can see your desperation at proving nothing.
Generalisations are not valid when arguing about an individual situation. General statements are only made when speaking about a populace. You learn this not only in school but through everyday social interactions.
Take this statement:
"Curious, as you mention that, it would disqualify you for most 'Classic and Collector Car' insurance policies. Generally 2500 to 3500 miles a year is considered 'collector car driving'."
Do you usually use words like "most" and "generally" for grounds to make strong accusations against people like:
"you are in a very fringe area of the law, and it looks more like you are trying to dodge fees more than actually put the car into collector car status..."
I know of a collector car insurance companies who insure cars driven more than your vague "generally 2500 to 3500 miles a year" criteria. If they require a certain mileage then my "less than 6000 miles" would encompass that. I doubt I am going to drive the 240Z close to my optimistic <6000mi estimate. I shall repeat: I am going to have two daily drivers--one of which is brand new.
If you did not know there is a distinct different in the statements "less than 6000 miles" and "6000 miles." You seem to have the same disease that so many women have. It's called selective hearing. I recommend that you have it treated as soon as you can.
You stated in an earlier post:
"From your postings in the past, it is clear you are out for yourself, wether it means that is detrimental to others makes no regard-----so from that past history making assumptions about daily driven cars and ethical dodges is not that much of a stretch."
Then you come back with this:
"I really wouldn't have expected differently judging from your past stated motives...it's kind of sad that I didn't have a problem based just on that past experience."
Now THIS is becoming a little bit too ridiculous. You are pathetic, Tony. I had no idea you were this dimwitted. It's sad to see a grown man like yourself make such mistakes. If you need a good logicist to teach you how to argue then I know of a few good ones at my school. Let me know when you want help. They would be glad to help.
I can go on and on about how much you don't make sense. And all this to tell me:
Personally, I would say that you shouldn't HVP plate the car.
And your reason being that I am going to drive my car 6000 miles a year . . . when I am not! It's sad . . . really sad.
I appologise that you had to resort to stooping down to such lows in an attempt to discredit me. Now I am embarassed to have made you do such a thing.
1971 240Z
"Fear is exciting for me." -Ayrton Senna