A&Q about 350Z
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$100 but it sounds like married folks get the shaft and have to split it.
1990 2+2 N/A
SHIFT_style
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ohh cool enough for 2 tanks of gas...
-1988 300zxt Shiro SS edition, 120,000 miles
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Not in my Tahoe....or The Astro van.
Maybe fill both the Z's
76 280 Z
77 280 Z
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Wow $100..
Thats like adding the 2.1 million barrels a day from the reserve... WORTHLESS. But its free gas, so I wont complain.
SHIFT_PPSSHHHTT... I love it, I love it
1973 240z, 2.8L Turbo, BRE Style
z31 ECCS and MAF swap
Spooled Up Racing ®
http://spooledupracing.tripod.com/home.htm
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that wont even fill the tank in my freinds suburban.
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1981 n/a 280zx
1952 m38a1 jeep willy's
1971 fairlady 240z
95 300zx N/A
72 240z
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More stupid headlines...
All they have to do is LOWER the Federal tax on gas.
Why the hell do they make it complicated?
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You know there's gonna be people getting these checks that do not even own a vehicle... *shakes head*
1990 2+2 N/A
SHIFT_style
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Matters not but I'll take it. They'll probably come up short(er) & raise taxes higher next week. I'd prefer instead of being reelected that our public officials would just stay home & get a real job like everyone else. I don't want their help, just to be left alone.
Anyone can drive a new car.
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Read the WHOLE story if you want to see how stupid it is. They want to mask that they don't so much want to lower the overall price per gallon but gain more control and raise taxes elsewhere.
They will give back a little if they can gleen billions elsewhere. Jeeeeze, they are a bunch of oportunistic bastards.
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i agree. lower the gas tax.
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'05 350Z Chrome Silver Touring
'73 240Z
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I can't believe that this is an Idea from the Republicans. This is not a conservative idea. A conservative way is to lower the Gas tax as said earlier in order to lower taxes and make smaller government control.
-------Senkyoshi
1973 240Z 4spd Dual Webers
"I spend too much time raiding windmills"
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Send the check back with a note telling them to get stuffed and lower tax. Would be funny if thousands of people did it. But yea, I aint in the US so...my opinion dont count...but yea, were paying $1.45 for 98 RON fuel over here, which is something like 4.00 a gallon over there. So stop crying.
1990 300zx TT Manual (2 Seater)
Sold - 1976 260z 2+2 Turbo, I'll miss you ol friend.
Post Edited (Apr 27, 4:44pm)
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wow, $4 for 98 aint bad, over here its $5 for 98.
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1981 n/a 280zx
1952 m38a1 jeep willy's
1971 fairlady 240z
95 300zx N/A
72 240z
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>A conservative way is to lower the Gas tax as said earlier in order to
> lower taxes and make smaller government control.
Um, you might have voted the wrong way by mistake then. You are recounting liberalism, not Bush conservatism:
"... liberalism seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on power, especially of government and religion, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports private enterprise" Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal
Bush is not a fiscal conservative, merely a religious one.
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"Um, you might have voted the wrong way by mistake then. You are recounting liberalism, not Bush conservatism:"
I never said how I voted. I never said anything about "Bush conservatism".
It is the Senate Republicans that have brought this idea forward. This is not a Bush idea.
Using your own references of Wikipedia:
"Republicans believe the private sector and/or the individual are better suited than the government to control their own lives. In his 1981 Inaugural Address, Republican President Ronald Reagan summed up his qualified belief in limited government when he said, "In the present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.""
"Republican Party tends to more heavily emphasize the idea that societal health is rooted in personal responsibility and actions."
"This mindset is seen most often in the party's push for lower tax rates."
"By contrast Democrats emphasize the duty of society to help the less fortunate through government "safety nets.""
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_%28United_States%29
I know what I am talking about.
-------Senkyoshi
1973 240Z 4spd Dual Webers
"I spend too much time raiding windmills"
Post Edited (Apr 27, 10:24pm)
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We should increase gas taxes to incorporate actual road and vehicle infrastructure not decrease it. Transfer the funds spent in the State and Federal budgets to a direct gas tax. That should help decrease SUV sales. The reduction in Fed. and State taxes should obviously match the increase. We could not increase it the full amount since public transportation shares the same roads and more the gas vehicles use them. But matching Britian's $5 a gallon would be good.
The last thing we need is a another tax cut to put gas in the car. It's a drop in the bucket anyway but adds another billion to our debt - that is a drop in the bucket too but that is another problem. The $100 bucks is just a propaganda piece.
Easy to curb gas usage:
1. Raise the CAFE a minimum of 10 mpg by next year. Shoot Lieberman for setting back CAFE standards by 10 years.
2. Increase fuel prices to real levels.
3. Kill any subsidies to any oil company.
4. Get the gas guzzler tax on all vehicles sold as non-commercial vehicles. You pay $2100 (est) on a Lambo because it gets 13 mpg but you pay nothing on a Suburban because it is a truck. This agriculture loophole is way overdue to be nixed. Of course all auto manufacturers will fight this (along with the CAFE increase) because it will drop huge profits for them. They make more money on Suvs and trucks than cars by an enormous amount. But that is the whole point - to stop the huge amount of 15mpg vehicles coming off the assembly line.
Just some thoughts.
Summary:
$100 gas tax break ==== Bad.
1993 300zx NA
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> I never said how I voted. I never said anything about "Bush
> conservatism". It is the Senate Republicans that have brought this idea > forward.
You said:
"I can't believe that this is an Idea from the Republicans. This is not a conservative idea."
You were somehow equating that Republicans only produce conservative ideas.
> This is not a Bush idea.
I'll disagree with you on that point. Bush owns the gov't right now and can generate whatever he wants in the Senate, hook line and sinker.
>"In his 1981 Inaugural Address, Republican President Ronald Reagan
> summed up his qualified belief in limited government when he said, "In
> the present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem;
> government is the problem.""
Reagan was known as having a democrat following known as the Reagan Democrats because he fell outside of some republican definitions. If you look within the same article you posted about Reagan, it talks about it at length. It's a poor quote, because Reagan was a different mindset than the Bush administration.
>"Republican Party tends to more heavily emphasize the idea that societal
> health is rooted in personal responsibility and actions."
And yet Bush has no accountability for his personal actions. So would you say Bush is a republican?
>"By contrast Democrats emphasize the duty of society to help the less
>fortunate through government "safety nets.""
Like "No Child Left Behind"?
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Agreed. If you think about, yeah they're giving you $100 back, but at the same time they'll get that money right back in their pockets after you fill up your car over the next couple months. They just keep jacking up the tax so no matter what the give as a relief, you're not gaining anything.
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77 280Z - TEC3 Engine Management, Coil Packs, 3.1 Stroker, 550CC injectors, tripple throttle body FI intake, MSA Stage II Cam, etc...etc...
79 Fairlady - Rusty
81 280ZX - DD
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And at the same time the price per gallon GOES UP because of the increased regulation in that proposed bill! How does that help anyone?
It's one of the dumbest thing yet since it totally does not address the causes and makes the results worse.
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NC is doing its part to increase gas prices in it's own state. So far they've raised the gas tax twice since last summer and they're working on another tax increase as we speak. Currently it's 30.15 cents a gallon for state tax. Wonder how far they plan to go? We're the fifth highest in the country for gas taxes and the highest when you look at taxes charged to average state income. I think it's about time I got into politics and lined my pockets with some of this money I'm being raped out of.
Nah, I couldn't be cruel and dishonest enough to be a pollitician.
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77 280Z - TEC3 Engine Management, Coil Packs, 3.1 Stroker, 550CC injectors, tripple throttle body FI intake, MSA Stage II Cam, etc...etc...
79 Fairlady - Rusty
81 280ZX - DD
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Agree $100 is a stupid gimmick.
Totally agree that increased CAFE standards and applying them to trucks/SUVs is the way to go, shoulda been done a LONG time ago (we have the same CAFE standard now as in 1988).
I don't necessarily agree with raising fuel (or any other) taxes. Fuel taxes should help to pay for roads, but IMO shouldn't be used to get consumption under control. Use CAFE for that.
The gov't trying to protect the US auto industry has actually sealed their doom. Had CAFE increased a small amount every year, and the truck/SUV loophole gradually been closed, the US auto industry would have adapted. Instead, now they find themselves totally reliant on truck/SUV sales for their survival. Gas prices will continue to rise, and at a greater rate than they would have if the US had minimized instead of maximized its consumption over the past ~15 or so years. As prices rise, truck/SUV sales will fall. There won't be time for:
1) the US automakers to begin to build CARS that people actually WANT agian, and
2) for the US consumer to figure out that American cars are actually pretty OK again.
I hope they do survive, but I don't see much hope.
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z32d00d,
I am not going to get into an argument over this. I am not the arguing kind of guy. I only responded before to back up what I was saying.
I know that Republicans do not only produce conservative ideas. But on the most part (traditionaly anyways) Republicans are associated with conservatism. And that is what the voters hope for.
"Reagan was a different mindset than the Bush administration."
Once again I am talking about traditional republican conservatives. Not the Bush administration. Traditional, traditional, traditional! Sometimes I feel like the Republican party is abandoning their conservative voters and their TRADITIONAL ideas and beliefs. I am not and never was defending the current administration or Republican Senators. I am just defending what I meant.
"Like "No Child Left Behind"?" This was on the most part penned by Ted Kennedy. Who is a Democrat. Bus was just practicing his "passionate conservatism" idea (which I don't totally agree with).
"Kennedy was a major player in the bipartisan team that wrote the controversial No Child Left Behind Act of 2001" Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Kennedy
Wikipedia has a whole section devoted to "No Child Left Behind" and Kennedy.
When I said "I can't believe that this is an Idea from the Republicans." I was once again voicing my disgust for the loss of conservatism from the Republican party. Never was trying to defend anyone.
Closing: I don't want to argue about this. Lets enjoy our Friday and our weekend. IT is beautiful outside. Enjoy your Z!
-------Senkyoshi
1973 240Z 4spd Dual Webers
"I spend too much time raiding windmills"