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It looks like it's being supported by both the Dems AND the Republicans.
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Always remember: Behind every silver lining - is a dark cloud.
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Is me or the report sound a lil too partisan: Bush takes "aim" at gas prices
let's hope Chenney is not helping on this one..
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politicians will never have control over gas prices. yea sure they will look into it, but thats about it. its old news......
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Ah don't pick on Chenney - heck everyone in Texas thought it was open season on lawyers anyways.
'Course Chenney's a politician - so who's lower on the food chain?
Ed and Jeanne's
ZXelda 1981 280 ZXT: ZXena 1990 300 ZX
1941 Buick Special Sedanette (Betty)
1956 Dodge Royal (Dorothy)
1971 Buick Riviera (Rita)
1975 Ford F-150 Stepside (Fiona)
1992 Firebird (Frieda)
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yeah all nice and caring of him. What's he going to do when we get another Katrina? $4-5 is coming.
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After many years in government I have learned that while this is the best government system on earth, it's also the worst on earth. If relief comes, it will be very short term, and when it ends the price will skyrocket - count on it. Nothing goods comes from government intervention in business (except when they bailed out Chrysler). I still say level the middle east, set up our own wells and refineries, and split the rights with the major countries of the world evenly.
1981 280ZX Turbo
60,000 original miles
Still OEM (except for tires, fluids, and filters or course)
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1976 280z 2+2 - Risen from the dead - garaged since 1988. Pallnet Fuel Rail and guage - ES rack and front bushings - 260Z 4Speed - Arizona Z Car Clutch - H4 Lights - Lots more to come...
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I dont believe any of that for a second. I take everything a those office maids say with a grain of salt. Oh BTW... Great job on getting 2.1 million barrels from our reserve, what is 2 hours of oil going to do?? Not a damn thing.
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ROFL. Those replies made my day!
1991 300ZXTT White Pearl: Intake, DP's, TP's, custom exhaust, Ashspec, RPS Sport/Street clutch, Electric Fan, 3" Griffin Radiator, & Kaminari Aero kit(minus front fascia).
Bellingham, WA
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Bush announces "War on Gasoline" to follow in footsteps of War on Terror. Bush also announces "War on Nature" to combat global warming. White House officials say Bush has not yet figured out what else to declare war on, but they are considering breakfast cereals.
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aww, come on... There is really nothing he can do short of drilling in alaska *ahem*. Like was mentioned above, sure we can take out of the reserves...but once that's done then what? I'm glad they are atleast trying to do something.
and yea those comics are GREAT!! keep 'em comin if you've got 'em.
1975 280z
High School senior project
Daniel D.
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I checked the price of CNG today while waiting for Frank and Xander.
While the price of regular at all the stations around LAX was around or slightly above $3.14 a gallon, CNG was at $2.39...
Slightly less than the marketing plan called for....
It's supply and demand, guys. Get over it, or drive something that uses less gas. It's STILL CHEAP!
Nigerian Curde gets to a stable supply state, and the pice will drop FAST as the price per barrell will plummet.
Nobody cried when it was selling in 98 for $10 a barrel...
But now it's what, close to $80, and the price hasn't come up porportionally....
But we can't mention that, here, can we?
(Rolls Eyes)
BTW, Frank and Xander laughed when they saw the LAX Prices, they mentioned it was over $7 in Amsterdam earlier that same day.
Now, if the Royal Dutch Shell Company buys spot market oil at the same price as their marketing arm in the USA, and the price in the USA is $3.14 a gallon, and the same company is selling it for $7+ in Amsterdam....
What could ever account for that discrepancy in costs, praytel?
GEE, I WONDER...
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when gas hits about 5/gallon here, people will finally quit their joy driving and quit driving their gas hog private vehicles.
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While you're King George II bashing remember both parties are fed by the same hand: that is big business. And yes it IS supply and demand, as well as greed.
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1977 280Z blue 2+2,
1973 240z
1977 280Z coupe in restoration progress
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It's summer & I have a bicycle. The only thing I'd rather drive is the Z.
Anyone can drive a new car.
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I think I'll have to ride my bike this weekend to get an idea of how long it will take me to get to school. But the problem is typically the weather. No way to predict it. I could ride to school in the sun, walk out of class and it's snowing.
1991 300ZXTT White Pearl: Intake, DP's, TP's, custom exhaust, Ashspec, RPS Sport/Street clutch, Electric Fan, 3" Griffin Radiator, & Kaminari Aero kit(minus front fascia).
Bellingham, WA
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Author: briann510
Date: Apr 26, 5:48pm
when gas hits about 5/gallon here, people will finally quit their joy driving and quit driving their gas hog private vehicles.
That's funny as hell considering your collection and the way you drive! I'm not flaming you at all, that statement just doesn't sound like something you'd say.
For the people that think Bush will help with gas prices, do you really think he's going to shoot himself and his whole family in the foot? The only reason the Bushes are where they are today is because of the oil industry. If anything he will make sure prices stay high by creating more conflict, and the whole time watching his and his childrens trust funds grow.
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I get a kick out of listenign to TonyD and Brian 510 "Its still cheap" LOL... I would love to find what you two are smoking to come to that thinking.
True, yes, it is under inflation, but it is a Natural resource, nobody know how much we have... And yet they put a price on it according to what they can produce. Its not the publics fault the oil companies suck at their jobs and cant keep up with demand. Step it up F'ers.
Alll well, Just pissed the Z isnt going to be driven hardly at all this year, and most likely years to come, pissed that my wife and I just cant take off somewhere for the weekend or week without saving for fuel prices. We have backed out of so many vacation chances becasue we dont want to waste our money on fuel.
According to the 2004 census, the average household income is $44,473. Average gas prices US gas prices are $2.91 today... Average MPG in the US is 22.1mpg... and the average miles per yer are 12,000. That puts the average US citizen at ~$1,600 a year to fuel there car. That really doesnt seem so bad as one big lump sum. But it isnt going down, I'd say by the end of the summer it'll be $3200+ to fuel a car for a year. Sad.
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Supply
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Demand. [gj Tony_D]
End of story. Blame who you want, but take an economics course before you think you know **** about the oil market, or any other market for that matter.
Bush as an individual can do N-O-T-H-I-N-G about oil prices in any longterm sense. He can suicide bomb a refinery in Nigeria or Venzuela if he wants them to go up, but he can't make them go down. He can't even make laws!!??? Does anyone know this!???!!?? Has anyone heard of the House before??? Congress??? His main 'power' is setting the agenda by telling us about it on TV.
The Federal government can do N-O-T-H-I-N-G about oil prices without a) opening up alaska or some other domestic reserve b) removing all fed taxes and pressuring states to do the same on gas c) illegally drilling on couquered soil [massive project btw] d) mandating demand quantities through heavier gas guzzler penalties and perhaps even giving subsidies to those buying cars at i.e. 30mpg or higher fuel consumptions. No one wants to sacrifice, they want their cake, cupcakes, ice cream, donuts and eat them too.
There are of course infinite theorhetical options, but they are mostly combinations or extensions of a)-d) above. The d) strategy is actually the most realistic and probably effective as well, but no one with their 10mpg ford truck or .3mpg turbo hummer want to have to pay extra money, just bitch about gas instead.
Did you know the price or real worth of oil [say per drum to make it a finite amount] is actually 66% of what it sells for on the market? Huh? What? Am I getting ripped off?!?
By investing in oil and wanting it to go higher, banks and private investors are INVESTING in oil to ride it alllllllllllll the way to the top. You think exxon and some guy in the desert are the only ones making $$ of you at the pump? GET REAL. It's just like gold, when it starts getting hot everyone pours their money into it so the value goes up and up and up until it finally 'bursts' [ever heard of the japanese economic bubble of the 90's?] and prices stabalize.
The problem with oil is it comes from many independent sources. The mere potential for a supply shortage drives prices up. Well, how is it more expensive if supply doesn't actually go down? Once it starts going up, everyone jumps on, but eventually, it will go down. Could be next week, could be next year; but by that time anything can happen.
Lastly, as much as I love our great country of America, we aren't that big of a deal anymore! After WWII, we literally drove down the economic highway as everyone else tried feverishly to pedal on their bikes and keep up. Things have changed, our interdependence is huge and the EU and 'Asian Tigers' are gaining more power by the day. Did anyone ever consider that the massive growth of China and India require huge increases in oil, and that America has little to nothing to do with it?
Do you think the UK whines about gas prices and think they can just get Tony Blair to 'fix' it? We are part of a world economy, suck it up and get a bike like me [=)]!
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I've taken several Econ classes, but there is also a government option of regulation, price ceilings, etc.
It doesn't HAVE to be completely dependant on the supply and demand.
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M4LFUNCT10N,
Those seem like reasonable options. I'm glad you've taken some econ classes, I think everyone should, then again, I'm about 90% towards a degree in it and all my econ classes have been completed for almost a year.
We'll start with 'regulation'. First of all, that doesn't mean anything specifically. They already 'regulate' it in many ways, such as quality standards, allowed chemical composition, ways it is handled, what trucks can carry it, permits for gas stations, etc.
Price ceilings. Sounds like it might work. But 1st, how can the U.S. set a price on a product it doesn't make? It CAN'T. But it CAN pay the market price then sell it to us for a lower price. However, do you have any idea how much it would cost, for example, to make the price of one gallon 1 dollar even, instead of a market price of 3 dollars, for even one single day? Try 862 million gallons [and rising due to decreasing reserves, this does NOT include domestic reserves] X $2 = $1.6+ BILLION a day. Try that a year? $584 BILLION dollars, just to make gas 1 dollar a gallon. This takes does take the raw figure of all oil imported and convert it into gasoline, although only 71% of imported oil is actually refined into oil. This doesn't matter though, because the Fed would have to give the same discounts to businesses for any of the legislation for lower prices to actually pass. Incase you didn't realize it, all that 584 billion would have to come RIGHT back out of our pockets through taxes. And considering the MASSIVE inefficiencies of the fed, it would probably equate to about 133% of that figure.
As you can see, I'm pretty 'deep' into this type of stuff. There is no easy way out!
19[TT]91
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19[I4]94 Integra GSR Sedan
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Why are prices so high.........hhhmm I'm sure Georgies little vendetta war against the guy with the imaginary WMD's that tried to kill his Daddy after of course his Daddy first tried to kill him, probably has nothing to do with our current situation at all...............that and the 1.4 Billion Bucks that the Saudis have given the Bushies over the years.
But what were our alternatives? If the meat head Kerry had gotten into office he would have taxed gas up to $3 a gallon.
At least it looks like the Oil industry is gonna lose their taxpayer funded subsidies.
Oh yeah and giving permanent Most Favored Free Trading Partner Status to COMMUNIST China back in 1998 which SENT MILLIONS of American jobs overseas and caused China's industry to need the oil which we would now be using had we not done so is another " most helpful" thing that our government did to place us in this current crisis.
BTW barring a NUKE war with IRAN or several CAT 4-5 Hurricanes ripping up the Gulf.......oil prices are gonna drop like a rock within a year to two years. There is a hell of a lot more oil in the ground that hasn't even yet been tapped by third world countries.
Chavez knows this fact and that is why he recently offered to contract oil futures for $50 a barrel earlier this month.
This is fact not fiction.
We are getting raped at the moment but our asses will soon be healed.
Later,Norm
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The genral public should do a little molesting back by, well... uhh, forgeting to pay for the fuel they pumped. What are they going to do, arrest America? Revoke all out drivers liscences? Oh no, we can drive anymore, thus still no gas is being sold, boohoo...
Thats my opinion.
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Well stealing certainly isn't a viable solution , but joining the current BOYCOTT of EXXON MOBIL stores might help a bit.
Just buy your gas anywhere but at an Exxon or Mobil labled store.
Yes Exxon sells to off brands so they will still get some revenue, but it will be drastically reduced.
Of course the problem would be trying to get people to maintain the Boycott once they were 10 cents lower than the guy up the street...BUT if people could hold out for say at least a 30 cent per gallon reduction before buying from Exxon again it might work.
Later,Norm
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"If the meat head Kerry had gotten into office he would have taxed gas up to $3 a gallon."
Triple that, and make it mandatory everyone turns in their vehicles for their socialist bus pass on a system that will be built "sometime in 2010..."
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
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Yeah!!! Norm's back!! :)
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Boycotting a particular manufacturer isn't going to do it. A better option is if every vehicle owner in America agreed to reduce gasoline consumption by say 1 gallon a week per vehicle they owned.
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Your economics classes are great and all, but when you get in the real world and maybe even work in high level government you know things.
I wasn't saying Bush can lower prices, I'm just saying he's not going to do a damn thing from keeping them from going up, he will not take any serious relief bills to the house to even consider.
He and his family are personally making money hand over fist, at who's expense? Ours' and the environments.
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Matt 78Z, where do you think the majority of my professors come from or still work for? The Fed. Bush can't do anything. I know presidents are the scapegoats of the world, not just U.S. but this time it really is* not his fault. I don't know why people won't read what I wrote and DEAL with it.
I have no facts to say Bush is making money off the oil price increases to begin with, but guess what, 1/3 of our gov't is involved in the oil business one way or another. They are all scamming us! So are all the PRIVATE CITIZENS and INTERNATIONAL BANKS investing in Exxon and other oil companies! The thousands of Exxon stock owners [mostly middle class] are all betraying us!
Relief bills? Go into more detail and say something concrete or don't mention it carelessly. He isn't doing a damn thing because he CAN'T. He can do plenty of things that make it SEEM that oil prices go down, but the U.S. DOESN'T DECIDE OIL PRICES. It has a medium but shrinking, around 1/4-1/3 total oil demand to work with, and domestic oil reserves. That's it. Unless you want Bush to go build a damn oil well in alaska and pump that **** all over the country, HE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
Go buy a sportbike!
19[TT]91
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2[00]2 Honda 954RR
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19[I4]94 Integra GSR Sedan
Long live the Z...
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As for the boycotting thing, that is another sensible idea. Much better than just ragging on Bush or some elected official just because he's on TV and easy to blame.
Unfortunately, it's still supply and demand. Most oil prices are figured way before it even gets to the U.S. By boycotting exxon, you will just get more gas from somewhere else. Demand has not shifted, just where the profits from it are. Now on the 1 gallon less a week idea, that WILL work to a certain extent, though it would be extremely difficult to enforce and the rising demands in 3rd world nations, China, and India will probably offset that within a few months making it an effort in vain.
If you want cheap gas, go to alaska with some big tanker trucks, a really high quality shovel, some sonar equipment, a geophysicist, and get DIGGING.
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19[I4]94 Integra GSR Sedan
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Zlover, were saying the same thing; Bush can't do jack. And I can get proof of the money he is making. See I grew up around Crawford TX, I know one of Bush's daughters.
I'm not blaming just Bush, like I said he can't and won't do anything and neither will the rest of big gov. as you said many of them are involved. Their is simply too much lobbyist money.
Professors are professors and the world of acadamia, is unrealistic of the real world. I run many boards that include the presidents and chancellors of the universities in my region. There involvement in goverment is minimal outside of political chess playing and economic development. The professors are teaching theory. Man I wish I could go back to college it was such a perfect world I have no idea why I was in a hurry to graduate.
I agree with you, the only thing we can do is stop or drastically slow down the demand. Now, how to do that? Well the government could lighten up on the auto industry and promote and allow the european economy cars to be sold here as well as their diesel market. Why do we not get those cars as options? Because it will hurt our American plants, that are already hurting, and the smaller demand puts less $$ in the politicians pockets. The other problem is many people in the US seem to be more concerned about looking good than being smart with their money. So its easy for any retail to jack up prices, they know enough will keep paying even if it's out of their realistic range.
I don't promote going into Alaska, that's just a band aid and again at the expense of our environment.
I'd love to get a sportbike, I used to ride, but now with a family I have more responsibilites and that idea doesn't go over so well. I'll just drive less, more time to fix up the Z's.
Matt
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I live in austin and I don't have any reason to doubt or not doubt that Bush is making money off of oil, it also is completely irrelavent [to me].
On the professors side, my international relations/gov't class professor Alan Kessler works with the fed simotaniously with our school, teaching only one class. He works a variety of subjects, mostly public opinion and international relations. One of my economics professor specializes in oil, coal, and natural gas pricing in the international level, and also works basically full time with the Fed. He is out of country 2 or 3 times of the week. I agree, most professors are talking theory, which still has its benefits but must be taken with a bigger grain of salt.
Your options are within those options I put out earlier. Their deisel market is could have HUGE potential here, but like you said, that topic gets even more complicated.
Alaska would be a band-aid to our energy problems, but I don't think it is any more a band-aid than getting oil from the middle east or latin america.
I am evading family responsibilities for similar reasons, fun while it lasts.
19[TT]91
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2[00]2 Honda 954RR
Suzuki 1200 S; sportscar eater
19[I4]94 Integra GSR Sedan
Long live the Z...
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(people in the US seem to be more concerned about looking good than being smart with their money)
Touché!
I do commute by bike cause a like it! I rather die that seen America biking for a leaving sort of speak..let the Europeans do that, they can go across 2-3 COUNTRIES in a tank of gas..expensive or not mini cars or bikes, on top of that the average dude work around the corner or 3 town away (20 kilometers) then the proverbial idiot jumps every day in any forum to bring the: in Monrovia gas cost way more than here..butt hole
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it's scary that prices in other countries (like the examples listed by tonyd) are so high,,,yet what's funny is that it is not mentioned that the REASON they are so high are because of their government's TAXES on gasoline. strip off those taxes,,,,THEN what are the oil companies getting? i bet it would be comparable to what they are getting pretty much everywhere.
i don't know what minimum wage you're looking at,,,but i'm pretty sure it hasn't gone up nearly 400% in the last 10 years, like the cost of oil has. my motor oil has only gone up about 20%. aren't the from the same SOURCE?
alternative sources could work, if it weren't for artificial barriers set up by our government.
for example, in my state, for you to be able to use and re-fuel a propane fueled vehicle, you must have a permit. that permit costs somewhere around $180 a year. kinda makes converting pointless, when "permit fees" negate the theoretical savings.
our current system of government can no longer do any good for the common working people. if you don't see it, you've bought into the propoganda and media brainwashing.
bullets speak louder than votes.
democrats, republicans, it doesn't matter.
if there's only one destination, it doesn't matter what path you take to get there.
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