A&Q about 350Z
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is there any color/style paint IE flat black vs gloss black that is HARDER to get a radar speed on? or am i just wishing that you could have a "stealth car"?
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You're just wishing.
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it may take some time, but you could color your car with invisible ink. i tried it on my windshield and now i can see right through it.
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There's this spray you can get you cover you lisence plate with, and when speed cameras take a photo your lisence plate comes up blank in the photo. That's about as close as you could get...
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Nope. They tested it on mythbusters along with other radar evasion theorys that didnt work.
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It used to work, maybe the updated cameras these days are too good but I know it did used to work many years ago...
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thx just wondering couse i read somewhere that flat black wouldnt send a radar signature back to the gun. oh well maybe is just harder to see at night so its to later by time you see me to get a beed on me
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1976 Datsun 280Z My DD
1986 Chevy C-10 My baby
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ZX-AE is right . mythbusters tried everything , even matte black paint. nothing will beat a radar gun. except driving the speed limit! lol!
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Or taking your plates off :P
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unless you want to coat your car with the stuff they put on the stealth aircraft (very expensive[i'm guessing], probably impossible to get, and only works in conjunction with the shape of the air craft) you're SOL.
A layer of paint won't do much.
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If you paint your license plate in clear coat, speed cameras will just see a huge flash when they take a picture of it.
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I always heard using a combination of fiberglass and flat black (something that would absorb the radar, rather than reflect) is supposed to limit the radar's range on you, but never tried it myself. There's a way to beat the radar, it's just not legal.
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You're hearing this from people that don't have any idea what they're talking about.
Fiberglass does NOT 'absorb' a radar signal. If it did, no Corvette would ever get nailed for speeding.
The flat black 'theory' is a redneck explanation of why the Stealth Fighter & Bomber are 'painted' flat black. Cause it's stealthy. Complete BS.
Because they don't understand the science, but they do understand paint, they make the connection that the two materials are the same.
And yes, shape is absolutely part of the 'stealth' equation.
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i know quite a few people in San Diego that put mud over a few letters of their license plates and they have never got a photo ticket and they run the red lights in those intersections all the time.
when we street race, we do the same thing. we call it the mud rub. street bikes do it also, since they tend to run from cops more than cars. if i know half my plate is mud covered im outa there.
MUD WORKS!
Post Edited (Aug 1, 3:09am)
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>If you paint your license plate in clear coat, speed cameras will just see a huge flash when they take a picture of it.
That's what I said too, but apparently people reckon myth busters disprooved it...
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"They Tested it on Mythbusters"
Yeah, those two guys have SUCH great luck with the DOD in obtaining real military equipment.
They couldn't even get a simple JATO Bottle when they decidxed to test the "Wylie Coyote Impala Theory" up at El Mirage.
There IS radar absorbing paint out there.
If you aren't in the military, or have accss to someone who is, you won't get it, and even if you did, there's more to stealth than simply paint...
Most cops shoot your license plate anyway, and unless you remove that first, it's hopelesss anyway.
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Just drive the speed limit.
Money saved all the way around.
Duh!
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Here Hybrid, I'm sure you could use this:
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No,
Someone that is DUMB ENOUGH to spray paint their car with RAM is already beyond a reasonable, free, 100% working solution to a massive speeding ticket problems.
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just pretend the cop isn't there. it's logical, if you ignore him, he'll ignore you. Mythbusters tried it.
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Probably cops would pull you over MORE if they saw a car covered like that; and probably they would just give you a ticket for +20 with no explanation at all (and hope you come to court to try to defend it). That would be a laugh, "but judge, we had radar absorbing material on our car, it could not have been us". I'd pay to go and watch the expression on the judges face!
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in order to have any effect on radars
i read somewhere that you have to paint every surface flat black. not just the exterior. (underside of hood, engine bay etc)
this may or may not be true...
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a few years ago my older brother was a mechnic in a garage that maintained the highway patrol cars. while he was playing around (fixing it!)with one of the patrol cars he discovered that if you turned the heater fan switch to high and pointed the dash mounted radar gun down as far as it would go it would record a 78 mph reading off the fan. so you see you cant beat the radar because in court it could be up to you to prove that the car radared wasnt you. and the judge would probably not buy any excuse you give him if the cop says it was you. im not saying the cop would do this but he could.AND for license plates with mud on them if the cop wants to get you ,they still have helicopters and ill bet there isnt a street racer out there that can out run a helicopter. ( personal experience in 1976 in 1970 dodge challenger and big fine and room and board for a night)
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"There's a way to beat the radar, it's just not legal."
Unless, of course you work for Raytheon in the ECM Pod department, and just happen to have an FCC licence to operate an active transmitter on some frequencies, with convienient bleedover to the "police band"...
In which case police are forbidden form operating their transmitter when you are operating yours (jamming).....
But I digress....
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Didn't have enough time this morning, just getting back to it now!
Amen!
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how do the older non reflective licence plates fair in the photo or radar evation?
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Sometimes Low Tech beats High Tech! ;)
briann510 wrote:
> i know quite a few people in San Diego that put mud over a few
> letters of their license plates and they have never got a photo
> ticket and they run the red lights in those intersections all
> the time.
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> MUD WORKS!
72 WooHoo!! In good shape too...
72 Rolling Chassis (RB or LS1?)
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82 NA 3.0L the rust monster got it
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02 Looking for an '03 made in '02
Post Edited (Aug 1, 6:24pm)
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Radar = radio waves... colors mean nothing when it comes to radio waves. Now maby flat black will not allow the laser guns to get a reading.
Post Edited (Aug 1, 6:39pm)
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k...lol this is funny haha
only "radar absorbing paint" is in the military's box of secret stuff. Not gonna happen.
and yes, as was mentioned....shape does play a role in stealth, and therefore no road-going vehicle would be able to be "stealth" because they have a little necesity called wheels. lol unless someone creates square wheels....
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Hey I have an idea, how about we find actual real sources of information about this instead of pulling random bs from our asses? lol
http://www-tech.mit.edu/V121/N63/Stealth.63f.html
http://people.howstuffworks.com/question69.htm
http://www.danshistory.com/f117.shtml
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MIT articel is interesting. Being I directly supported two of the platforms mentioned in the article perhaps my arse is not one of them barking stoopid answers...
And after my service was over, being indirectly involved in the manufacture of the a third platform mentioned (as well as another one not yet mentioned) mmmm prehaps I might know a bit more than the average bear...
Especially since the post service involvement was in the coatings systems applied to "platform three"....
Some people.....really.
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lol I wasn't referring to you personally, just figured it wouldn't hurt to get some other sources of info in on the discussion...
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the more high-tech way of dealing with street racing is, put a toggle switch that will control an electric motor that will slide a plastic plate over your rear license plate, only works in my z32 though.
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Why not get a radar detector? They work really well, my friend has one. They're mad illegal, and he's even been pulled once and got busted with it. He just acted dumb, and said he didn't know what it was and that it was there when he got the car. They took it, but he didn't get into trouble and a week later bought another one and put it in and plans to use the same excuse next time lol
He got off lucky though, not sure of the penaltys of doing that however if you get prosecuted. I'm also told that it doesn't work for all kinds of radars apparently...
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Post Edited (Aug 1, 11:57pm)
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Buy a car with pop up headlights, and no glass up front. Like a 95 saturn sc2.
I read about this a while back, the headlights are supposed to make it easier for them to nail you, or make you car read higher. Remember those guns are tuned for the most typical of cars. Or just buy a car cops wont notice. Like a dark maroon 4 door.
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What difference does it make how noticable your car is when there's a speed camera setup on the side of the road or a cop sitting there with a radar gun randomly testing everyone that drives past?
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jammers.. just gotta jam em.
Post Edited (Aug 2, 4:10am)
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Who do they choose when "randomely" checking cars? Who do they notice might be speeding? Who do they think needs a ticket? Who catches their attention?
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Dude, a speed camera sitting on the side of the road measures the speed of an object and if it surpasses the speed programmed into it and then snaps a photo. You could be riding a bull with a purple pimp hat on going 90mph, or be driving a white "enter generic car make here" it's still going to take a photo if it's over the limit. The same goes with radar guns, it dont matter what your car looks like if you go zooming past a cop who clocks u at some insane speed, he's going to chase you no matter unless he's half way thru a jelly donut of course lol
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"Who do they choose when "randomely" checking cars? Who do they notice might be speeding? Who do they think needs a ticket? Who catches their attention?"
Well, if the remote camera units in Pasadena are any indication, about 10,000 vehicles an hour on the 210 freeway under the right traffic conditions.
Yeah, that sounds real "choosy"!
For those who have no clue on how it all works, please Sierra Tango Foxtrot Union!
Generally, they set the gun / unit to a preset trigger speed according to the road conditions and speed limit on the road. By law they could set it BELOW the speed limit and you are STILL liable for the ticket written!
There is only ONE sure way to avoid a Radar Ticket: Drive the speed limit, and used prudent judgement while driving in adverse conditions, along with datalogging and videotaping your driving on a looped digital recorder.
When stopped, you simply download the datalogs, as well as the last 1/2 hour of video (including the traffic stop) and your preponderance of the evidence will blow away any Radar Ticket---assuming of course you have a certified and calibrated speedometer in the vehicle.
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Here in Australia there was a huge controversy with the police setting their radars below the speed limit just to meet their quotas. There was something on our 60 minutes here about it, it was some insane amout like 20 million dollars in one year from bogus tickets lol A-holes!
I've currently lost my lisence, 2 months to go! lol My "go-fast" car is in bits at the moment anyway, so it's good timing actually hehe...
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http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/an-alq-165.htm
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FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL, IT'S THE LITTLE BASTARD NEAR THE FUSELAGE WITH THE "BLACK TIP"
Unless you got one of those (this one runs on 400Hz Precise Power, or 28VDC), it's useless, SLOW DOWN!
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Tony, we need specifics.
1. How much current does it draw (Yes, I realize one would have to step up the voltage, too.)? Would one need to do an alternator upgrade?
2. What is the weight?
3. Is usability tied to the mounting location?
I'm trying to think of where it could be mounted without upsetting the handling too much.
4. Do you think it would hurt the gas mileage too much?
D'oh! I forgot one other question:
5. Would it attract the attention of Wild Weasels? A HARM could damage the paint of a Z car.
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Post Edited (Aug 2, 11:14am)
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The ticket for using it is worse thsn the speeding ticket!
Yea, SLOW DOWN!
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sorry tony, im a f14d tech. yes 115 vac 3 phase 400 hz would be difficult to attain from a nissan:) besides, if you could even manage to get it to work, i think youd be lucky if the only side effects were impotency. radiation is fun! but seriuosly speed limits do exist for a reason.
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As long as it wasn't placed too high, the body of the car could possibly provide enough shielding from the non-ionzing radiation generated by the jammer. (I was a radiation safety officer in the Air Force.) Also, directionality is important, too. Now would it be an effective jammer placed that low. We need to do some real research. Who has a spare jamming pod and a car we can borrow? We need a NARDA probe and a radar gun, too.
Okay, who can engineer a belt-driven 3 phase generator? Or is there a way to use inverters to generate 3 phase?
We could go out to the dry lake where Tony does his high speed runs...
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sidelobe suppression. if you want a jammer, buy a fuzzbuster. otherwise obey the speed limit, dont get caught, and be willing to pay the fine.
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We don't have cameras, except maybe at some traffic lights. I've never heard from anyone that got a ticket at a light so tickets from a camera must be rare around here. Most of the tickers are for 7 over, and they do choose who they clock. They're sitting there with the gun deciding who to bother with.
I know when I rode with my friend in Colorado his radar detector went nuts every time we got close to a traffic light. That would drive me nuts.
Welcome to the republic btw. Law enforcement being more strict every year. But hey, people are safer... All they gotta do is say they're just doing their job...
Post Edited (Aug 2, 5:26pm)
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Try using invisible paint on a car
or borrow her plane
Or maybe using these paint combo's will do the trick
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Agree with Tony and Hybrid - don't speed.
But if you're going to anyway - get a "Wildweasle" car in front of you to throw chaff and flares to jam the radar and distract the P.D. Officer.
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Dont speed? lol Why not just sell our Z's and catch the bus then? hehe
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there is a reason an F15C/D has a 25 foot cone of danger out front of the nose when testing the radars...
I have been onboard a B52G while the ECM system acquired and....er....'dealt' with an SP under the wing radaring the GSE Personnel delivering equipment.
Little Radar Gun in the MILLIWATT range gets smacked with a concentrated ECM Beam in the MEGAWATT range='POOF!'
Yeah, they work, but like Orion sez, I don't think you want to be anywhere near a unidirectional ECM beam from that pod!
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The circuitry is adaptable to lower voltages, but like I mentioned above, you need to have an FCC license to transmit...
The Pods will actively acquire the frequencies, and conter transmit against them. I like the box from the B52, it's MUCH more powerful. As stated above, I have seen one of those "poof" a handheld radar gun...
In retrospect, putting a B52G's ECM system to "pinpoint" (Like for isolated jamming of a specific SAM site) and acquiring the handheld radar frequency and "poofing it" with a flick of a switch probably didn't do any good to the SP under the wing. Probably irradiated his brain a bit. Maybe he felt a bit warm that day for some reason. I think we stuck enough microwaves through him to pop some corn!!! LOL
True to Dick Cop Form, he was back with a new gun within an hour, shooting the GSE Drivers towing equipment, and writing citations for going 6mph while towing equipment.
You guys think civilian cops got a complex, you ain't seen a dick cop until you have seen a military law enforcement specialist with an MOI to back up his citations, and a hard-on for AGE Drivers....
"Frag Em"
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"Dont speed? lol Why not just sell our Z's and catch the bus then?"
Er, most all Solo2 AutoX is done at speeds WELL below what most do on the way to and from the event on most highways.
The thrill is in the corners, not simply going fast in a straight line.
If you do that, go to Bonneville and get SERIOUS about going fast.
Speeding on the street compared to Bonneville is like the guys who think street racing is comparable to turn 11 at the Nurburgring....
Not even close!
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Yeah I agree with you there, but I bet there aint a single person on this forum who doesnt given their Z a good squirt of fuel every now and then on the street...
I'm moving interstate soon where they have a Z club, and an Auto-X track aswell as a drag track etc all available to the public each weekend. In the state I currently live in they have a similar thing but far less often and it's in the middle of nowhere and the scene is a bit redneck.
With my 86T I'm going to mod it to the point where it's no longer street legal then it will be a track only car! That's my goal anyway, to see how fast it can get streetable for the class until I get to the stage where I just go all out and make it a full on race car! :)
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