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http://www.teslamotors.com/
Looks pretty cool to me, I really like the styling, wonder what the price is.
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1991 TT(parts for sale)
1993 NA(parts for sale)
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I heard it was ~$100k
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in that case i dont know who they hope to sell to. Priced around any other sports car out there these days I could see them selling quite well.
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1990 2+2(For sale soon)
1991 TT(parts for sale)
1993 NA(parts for sale)
1993 Convertible(Converted TT)
1996 TT(with 9,124 miles on it)
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So it burns natural gas or coal.
How is that and advantage over gasoline?
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I thought it said electric powered...either way 100K is WAY too much.
Coal would be hilarious (spelling?) though...I would finally have a use for all those Christmas presents.
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I think he meant the power stations used to charge it.
A few years back Popular Science did a review on an electric plug-in-to-charge car.
By the average amount of coal fired power plants used and the time and energy it took to charge the car ended up polluting more then a gas engined car....
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It's not powered by electricity, it's powered by coal that's burned and the heat converts water to steam that drives a generator that goes down a wire and then stored in a battery system and then converted to mechanical motion.
Just call it a "rolling blackout".
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Oooohhhh...I see...good point then Hybrid. But do those studies included all the power used to refine oil into gasoline? or just the effects the gas itself has? That would make a huge differance in the outcome of the study.
Edit: I just read your post Hybrid, I didn't realize that's what they meant by "electric"
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Post Edited (Jul 20, 1:19pm)
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It's all semantics since power usage always requires power to deliver it.
The point is that TESLA advertises the car as "zero emissions".
That is a lie in every sense of the word.
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Hybrid it's normally not true. However what if you are in an area where you get yoru electricity from a wind driven generator, or a hydroelectric damn, or a nuclear power plant......
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No matter how good she looks, some other guy is sick and tired of putting up with her.
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Granted a nuclear power plant is still producing toxic waste but they say it's a clean power.......
Mans Prayer "I'm a man.... But I can change..... If I have too...... I guess"
No matter how good she looks, some other guy is sick and tired of putting up with her.
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Saying that car is "Zero Emissions" is like saying:
"Al Qaeda didn't cause 9-11, Boeing 767s did."
"I didn' t punch you in the face, my fist did."
"My dog doesn't bite, the 32 teeth in his mouth do it."
Come on people!
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The car is still cool:)
Not $100k cool, though!
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Would be saying here "displaced emissions vehicles" and that is true.
I was mostly commenting on the fact that I thought it was a cool looking car.
Currently own:
1990 2+2(For sale soon)
1991 TT(parts for sale)
1993 NA(parts for sale)
1993 Convertible(Converted TT)
1996 TT(with 9,124 miles on it)
"When you do things right people cant really tell that you've done anything at all."
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http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/20/exclusive-video-tesla-roadster-unveiling/
video.
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Isn't this the same company who built an electric truck that had so much torque the rear end twisted off?
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Actually, the rest of their advertisement is rife with outright lies:
135mpg equivalent?
1 cent operating cost per mile?
Sounds like a car for suckers...
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if the car itself runs solely on batteries then it is zero emmissions regardless of how that electricity is produced. the car itself doesn't produce emmisions. how is that a lie?
people will always need electricity. i think the idea is to reduce our dependance on oil these days, not necessarily to save the environment.
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I believe that both can happen (reduce our dependence on oil & help the environment) but we will never get their as long as big oil has the politicians in their back pocket.
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There was talk of combining solar power on those cars to actually create power.
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This is going to be the common trend for the next 10 years, something like "buy our magic fairy powered car for only 40 million dollars and make fairy dust not exhaust fumes" etc... Totally useless, there's lots of forms of alternative energy which is "better" than gasoline but not practical due to numerous reasons, one being cost efficiency. When will this idiots learn, people aren't going to be put out of pocket to buy green cars even if it does go real fast. People are going to want their cake and eat it to so to speak before cars like this are even looked at seriously by consumers.
Who's gonna spend 100k on something that sounds like a fridge humming, rather than a beasty V8 or kickass V6 turbo? Nobody that's who!
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"the car itself doesn't produce emmisions. how is that a lie?"
Because the car itself will not run without emmisions.
Every killovolt it uses has a corresponding emmissions from the power grid.
People that buy this car are delusional if they think it's somehow better for the environment.
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You're right, from the website:
"Did you know? The Tesla Roadster produces one-tenth of the pollution and is six times as efficient as the best sports car. learn more "
1/10 the pollution it states, but you're recharging every 250miles so having to charge up twice as often to go the same distance to me totally owns the efficency, where the hell did they get six times as efficient from considering that?
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How Long Does Your Cell Phone Take to Charge?
If you’re like most people, you can’t answer this question. You plug your phone in every night, and it’s fully charged in the morning. You never think about how long it took. That’s the way you’ll feel about your Tesla Roadster. Every morning you’ll wake up to a fully charged car, ready for whatever is on the day’s agenda.
What a joke! Great comparison to a cell phone, the only thing better than not being able to make an important phone call because your phone is flat is being stuck out in the middle of nowhere because your car is flat haha.
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Post Edited (Jul 20, 6:51pm)
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LOL, solar power.
I guess if you have a collector the size of a WallMart store, that could work.
Sorry,
Like since it takes the same AMMOUNT of power to drive this car as it does any other car of it's size and weight, there is no savings in power. It will only be cost efficient for the owner if he can plug it in at work and the boss never finds out.
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The car will run without emissions IF the power comes from a clean source.
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Even if you take into account the price of that car, vs a regular gasoline car in the same class the efficiency goes right out the window. Maybe if you own the car for 50 years it would finally start paying itself back with low operating costs, but by then there's going to be the magic fairy powered cars I spoke of earlier and it will be obsolete :P
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If we were on an all-nuke power grid, this car would make perfect sense. But sadly, we're still on a primarily coal based grid.
I can provide an alternative to this car that is just as fast, looks ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME (fishy, huh?), costs half as much and doesn't have hundreds of pounds of batteries on board that will someday wear out and costs an arm and a leg to replace:
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Obviously you're not going to buy THIS car for economy.
That doesn't mean electric isn't cheaper, it is. It's just not practical.
An electric car should be able to go 250 miles for less than $6, with electricity ~10cents/kW-h. In an economical gasoline car it's going to cost closer to $20.
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FWIW, the Tesla car is based on the Lotus, so it's no wonder they're similar. I remember the old Lotus Elise had the highest observed fuel economy in the back of Road and Track for YEARS at 35mpg.
I just wish other manufacturers would at least TRY to make lighter-weight more efficient SPORTS cars, instead of bigger/heavier/more-powerful wiht every iteration.
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If we were all 4ft tall then I'm sure the likes of the Elise would be a more common style car released by manufacturers... A huge compromise for it's benefits is size, those things are so damn tiny.
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Right on Dan! That's where we need to go. With lightweight materials getting cheaper by the day and gas prices driving the market, smaller and nimbler sports cars are going to be more attractive to manufacturers and to consumers. Have you seen the Mazda Kabura, Nissan Urge, Ford Reflex, Volvo 3CC concepts? And the current MX-5, Pontiac Solstice, Saturn Sky....hopefully these will become more mainstream than portly 3,900 lb Mustang GT500s and the like....
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They wont, too small yet again. The market just isn't there for miniature sports cars that nobody can hardly fit into, unless targetted towards females like the MX-5.
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If the market isn't there, why are MX-5s, Solstices, Skys and Elises all selling faster than they can be produced? Not to mention the S2000, Audi TT and others that have all sold very well.
By the way, I have driven all of those cars except the Sky and the Audi TT, and I fit fine. I'm 6'4" and didn't have tons of room left over, but I fit. Are you talking more about the fatter folks who won't fit?
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Dan,
Don't YOU think it's funny that the same people that are telling us to switch our light bulbs to flourescent ones (to save the planet) are also the same ones that are also telling us to plug in our power hungry cars to that same grid?
The irony(stupidity) is just too delicious to let it slide by...
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It costs less money and less energy to drive an electric car. Obviously, it's also a good idea to consume less energy at home, too, hence the recommendation for more efficient light bulbs.
I don't see any inconsistency.
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It takes THE SAME energy to push a 2500 pound car no matter what the propulsion system is.
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"The market just isn't there for miniature sports cars that nobody can hardly fit into, unless targetted towards females like the MX-5."
MX-5 targeted to females? Hardly. Take yer ZXT to just about any road course track day in the country and see how this chick car will do against your turbo, with half the power! Driven by males and females;)
Mass is evil. Mass is wrong. Mass must be EXORCIZED from our performance vehicles!
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Hybrid,
You're right, it does take the same power to drive a 2500 lb. car whether it's gasoline, electric, nuclear, steam, whatever.
BUT, that energy is much much cheaper coming out of your wall outlet than from a gas station.
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Cheaper?
LOL, that is as funny as "zero emmision".
The costs are all up front and/or with maintenance.
The actual cost per mile are as real as the total emmisions, they are just re-arranged.
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Oh yeah, and a MUCH greater percentage of the electrical energy pumped into an electric car gets used to actually propel the car (~85%)than the chemical energy in gasoline in an ICE car (~33%)
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Like I said before, electric vehicles by and large are not practical. That's undeniable right now. All's I'm-a doing is shooting down some common misconceptions regarding them.
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Dan,
You keep forgetting the high losses between production, transmission, transformers, and chrging heat losses. At the CAR it's more efficient, BUT the inefficiencies are hidden too.
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The reason electric cars are impractical is RANGE. To get any kind of reasonable range you will need a HUGE and expensive battery pack.
An electric motor scooter, on the other hand, that might just work in the marketplace (Europe, anyway)...
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I'm not about to debate wether or not MX-5's are chicks cars or not, as that's fairly obvious. I'm just saying that tiny sports cars aren't huge sellers unless in a niche market, like the MX-5 being a girls car for example. For the record that car has been called the MX-5 here in Australia ever since it existed, it was only the Miata in the U.S and they changed it why? Hmm, I wonder!
Anyway my only point was, most popular sports cars aren't so damn tiny. The Elise is a wicked car, but man it's just so small. I'm 6ft 4" aswell, and there's no chance in hell I can fit in an MX-5 or a car of similar size comfortably. I only JUST fit the Z31, and those cars are tons smaller than that. Check your posture and sit up straight :P
Make that car a normal size, and you watch it crawl and be just as sh!tty milage wise than any other electric car.
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Post Edited (Jul 20, 7:40pm)
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Hybrid,
Even with those losses, electricity comes out yer wall at ~10c or less per kW-h. With all those losses electric is STILL way way cheaper than gasoline.
It's just not PRACTICAL (see above)
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Dan,
You forgot to compare STORAGE costs in the car.
A gas tank is something like $75 and lasts 20 years.
A battery pack costs something like $5,000-$10,000 and lasts maybe 2 years.
Just because a part of the system is cheaper, it does not mean that the cost per mile is cheaper.
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300ZXT,
I just wonder why we can't have another 240SX. ~2700 lb., 2+2, coupe, decent power (with tons of potential).
Why must we continue to be presented with these SO-CALLED "sports" or "sporty" cars that are merely 4-door luxury sedans scrunched down into less practical but barely lighter-weight 2-seaters and 2+2's?!
Besides, in this country anyway, cars have become so huge they're almost cartoonish in appearance. I mean, look at a modern F150 vs. one from even the 80s or early 90s. Why do the new ones have to be so goddam HUGE?!
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You should compare the cost of a battery pack with the gas tank PLUS the difference between the cost of gasoline and electricity over all the miles the electric can cover within its battery pack's lifetime.
Obviously comparing battery cost vs. gas tank cost isn't valid in any sense.
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From 5/06 Popular Mechanics:
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Vehicles that operate only on electricity require no warmup, run almost silently, and have excellent performance up to the limit of their range. Also, electric cars are cheap to "refuel." At the average price of 10 cents per kwh, it costs around 2 cents per mile. Electric cars can be recharged at night, when generating plants are underutilized.
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A strong appeal of the electric car--and of a hybrid when it's running on electricity--is that it produces no tailpipe emissions. Even when emissions created by power plants are factored in, electric vehicles emit less than 10 percent of the pollution of an internal combustion car.
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And then there's the environmental cost. Only 2.3 percent of the nation's electricity comes from renewable resources; about half is generated in coal-burning plants.
I love how you guys speculate without doing research.
Anyhow, I think the environmental impact (depleting coal resources) is a direct tradeoff of our depletion of oil resources, only this time we're not slaves to the Middle East. I'd rather lose some abundant natural resource that wasn't owned by a robe-donning tycoon with billions already in his name.
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LOL,
People HAVE done complete costs per mile between common 40mpg gas cars ($13,000) and hybrids and full electrics for long term ownership.
A cheap gas car was 5 times cheapr than a hybrid. Let me say that again, the gas car was 5 TIMES cheaper per mile than a hybrid long term. I forget the data on electrics but I seem to remember that it was even worse than a hybrid because of expensive battery purchase, short battery life, and battery disposal costs.
THAT is why when the add for this car says "about 1 cent per mile" it's one of the biggest outright lies in the auto industry.
Edit: ONLY way to be cheaper for an owner is if they got the car for free and someone else picked up all the maintenance. Then an electric is not too bad...
Post Edited (Jul 20, 8:01pm)
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I'd say "live green go yellow" is a bigger lie in terms of sheer scale [of GM vs. Tesla]:)
Totally agree 1c/mile is in no wise realistic. I did some calcs and it seems to me possible traveling at 40km/h (25mph) in a car like this, at 8cents/kW-h.
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It is totally possible to have an electric car as cheap as a gasoline car. It just won't go very far on a charge.
Like I said, NOT PRACTICAL. Which is why we're not all driving one. BUT, there are SOME people who would if they were available. Just not enough (or the manufacturers don't perceive that there are enough).
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Dan,
I guess it holds true more so in the U.S than anywhere else, with the huge boat size car trends of the 60s and 70s or whatever. I totally agree more middle range sports cars should be produced, they're either too small or too big these days. But on the other side of it everyone always says, oh I bet X tiny car would thrash you on an Auto X course! Yeah well I would expect it should, being half the size of a normal car and all.
I say bring out a 300SX :P
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Post Edited (Jul 20, 8:09pm)
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Huge cars of the 60s and 70s? We're driving MUCH bigger and heavier vehicles now than we were then!
300SX would be fine w/ me! But I'd rather have lighter weight than more power, so if that means a 250SX instead, that's cool, too. It's always WAY easier to boost power than remove weight from a car!
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What woulda been really cool woulda been a 240SX/Silvia-based 350Z at ~2600 lb. (sigh)
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OK, gotta go. Last thoughts:
Look at the car at the top of the page. Looks pretty damn cool to me. 250hp and (probably) ~2500 lb? Again, that seems pretty sweet to me. Do I think it will really go 250miles on a charge in real-world usage? no I don't. Is it practical? Not in the slightest. Will I save the world by buying one of these instead of a Lotus Elise? Hardly. Will it only cost 1c/mile to operate? Only if you drive at a snail's pace.
But it is still freaking cool!
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I do agree, I think the almost infinate torque thing is really cool but until they pack all that power into a normal engine-sized battery that lasts 1000 miles and put it in normal sized cars nobody will buy it.
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Are the worn out batteries not as much of an environmental problem as typical exhaust?
And what the hell is the equilvalent of 135mph - either it does it or it doesn't?
I got in an elise the other day, it was cool and i wanted to drive it but couldn't. When I went to get out I thought I was stuck!
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Matt 78Z wrote:
> And what the hell is the equilvalent of 135mph - either it does
> it or it doesn't?
> Matt
You might want to re-read the ad. It said 135 miles per GALLON (not hour) equivalent.
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The "equilvalent of 135mpg"
That is equally meaningless since it does not say WHAT they are equating it to to get that number. Are they comparing it to cost? To energy used? To other cars in it's class? To the speed driven? What?
It's an advertisement constructed to mislead buyers.
It's damn expensive, fast, small/sporty, and goes only a short distance.
Trying to pass it off as some kind of economy car is just a joke.
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If we started buying those cars, we could say bye-bye to the "road trip". Unless a road trip consisted of staying within 3 hours of home. Or stopping every 3 hours to charge up, lol.
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I'm sure they're giving "equivalent mpg" based on electricity cost vs. fuel cost. i.e., their CLAIM is you'd have to have a 135mpg car to spend the same amount of money on gasoling per distance as you would spend on electricity over the same distance in their car.
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That sounds like a womans way to look at gas prices, the old "Honey, I went to the store and look how much money I saved" excuse. If you spend a hundred grand then you can't boast of saving pennies.
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Yeah, women...
Men of course ALWAYS look at things strictly scientifically and objectively. Which is why they buy Hummers. Right...
NOBODY who buys this car will be doing it with saving money as the primary objective, that should be obvious. It's going to either be a "statement" car or a neat-o gee-whiz gizmo toy car for the rich.
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Dan Baldwin, Automakers are making vehicles for a couple reasons i think, 1st is that most of us americans are so fu*king fat, 2nd the "big body" ghetto hood, african american style is so popular with everyone, look at the 300c black people took over that car, as well as the new suburban or tahoe, or maybe its just the 1st reason or just the style nowadays.......
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I suppose range problems (as in an emergency) could be helped by having a crank hand powered generator to charge up the battery.
But then how much environmental cost do you measure for increased C02 out put, sweat and other possible gas emmissions from the over exersion and what you eat?
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Who's gonna spend 100k on something that sounds like a fridge humming, rather than a beasty V8 or kickass V6 turbo? Nobody that's who!
If I had to choose between two equal cars, one that sounds like a lawn mower, and one that's pretty much silent, I know which I would choose. But then again, I do not need to impress anyone with how loud my car is. My brother, who I caught listening to engine sounds on his computer, would probably side with you.
As for the discussion, there is a definite advantage to using electric power, you can get electric power anywhere, nothing has to be shipped in big tanker trucks or drilled out of the ground. Electricity is the modern generic form of usable energy and can be generated from many sources. If everything is powered by electricity, it becomes fairly trivial to power anything.
True, most power plants produce negative emissions, for now, but gasoline will pretty much always produce negative emissions, there is no reason to believe that the production of electricity will do the same. As for right now, I am told that it is easier to control the waste products of energy generation in a power plant rather than in a car. Thus, while a gasoline car is pretty much always going to spew various chemicals into the air, a power plant could filter out the more carcinogenic stuff and perhaps use a more efficient means of conversion from chemical to electrical energy.
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"Did you know? The Tesla Roadster produces one-tenth of the pollution and is six times as efficient as the best sports car. learn more "
1/10 the pollution it states, but you're recharging every 250miles so having to charge up twice as often to go the same distance to me totally owns the efficency, where the hell did they get six times as efficient from considering that?
This figure is probably correct in that the car produces less total "pollution" than a gasoline car, per mile. Someone earlier stated that this figure was pretty much true with a reference to Popular Mechanics. The relevant wikipedia table supports this argument http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car#Energy_efficiency_and_carbon_dioxide_emissions
Six times as efficient? According to this random internet page http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/atv.shtml a gasoline engine is 15% efficient, in a thermodynamic sense, I imagine. Six times that is 90%, some other page http://www.psnh.com/Business/SmallBusiness/Motor.asp indicates that that number is not unreasonable. Certainly, it is a bit misleading, since it does not include the efficiency of the power plant and probably not the inefficiency in charging the batteries.
No one will argue that the car is cost-effective in terms of fuel costs. However, if you are super rich, it may be considered some sort of "environmentalist" status symbol, plus the fact that it is hella expensive and looks cool improving its status symbol...status. Also, if you are after raw power, it seems pretty decent.
After writing this post, I noticed that Dan Baldwin basically said most of this stuff already :D
Oh man I can't wait for my totally quiet electric car to exist.
erzelda: I think that would be a little too much cranking. Fortunately, in an emergency, you could probably use any power outlet, and there are way more power outlets than there are gas stations. Probably what you said was a joke.
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"you can get electric power anywhere, nothing has to be shipped in big tanker trucks or drilled out of the ground"
Man, I guess you believe that Santa Clause brings toys to your house?
Electricity means transmission lines instead of tankers.
Electricity means coal is scraped out of the ground instead of drilling.
Electric power is just too damn hard to store and carry so cars are always doomed to use liquid fuel to carry enough to make them practical.
The world has enough impractical cars/SUV's already.
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I am for more nuclear power plants. Thorium based!
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Yeah I cant wait until my car has the ability to give me brain cancer, I'd rather lung cancer that it can already give me thanks lol...
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LOL, flying cars...
For the price of that car you could get a 2 place helicopter and have more style. If you could afford either then you don't really care if gasoline is 2,3, or $4 a gallon.