A&Q about 350Z
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OK here is the scoup:
Crossing double yellow line while going into HOV lane
I was on a bike so HOV lane is cool, but not crossing to the double yellow
what is the cost of this kind of offense?
thank you
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'74 2+2 -- MSA sway bars, Illuminas, Eibach Progressive, Energy Suspension
L28 with MN47, 240Z rods, milled down dished pistons (11.6:1 CR) and 240sx tranny
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Call the number on the back of the ticker for the clerk of court and ask. They have a set fine which is going to differ state to state county to county.
Matt
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The double yellow sepparates opposite flow traffic. I've never seen one of those near an HOV entrance...
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The lines are double dotted for entrance and exit into the lane - then solid double for long periods where you are not supposed to cross.
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Post Edited (Jul 13, 8:58am)
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I was about to post that Zazu...but your pictures were much more effective.
I would be willing to bet it can't be more than $50-$60 bucks...well depends on your region. In Nashville, a speeding ticket is only $50.00 and so is a lane restriction violation.
Previously owned: 2005 Z Enthusiast, Super Black, 6 spd.
Currently lease: 2006 Pathfinder S, Silver, Auto
"She is (and always will be) my little deuce coupe, you don't know what I got!"
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Right, NOT a double yellow but a double white.
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I see a double yellow in the second picture, Hybrid
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..cheaper than a DWI.
I left downtown Marietta Square one nite in Ga. and made a left turn kinda sloppy and got pulled over after 3-beers......I didn't register any greater than a .1 so the lawyer conveniently in court, without me, had it reduced to
an "illegal lane change".....hahahaha. I probably really was borderline but
really gave me insight into what our justice system is all about....what a joke, regardless; again, money as the root of all evil, even in our system!
(saved face, ....but stunned!)
'73 240z, sitting 16 years in garaged storage...Spring 2005 endeavor...
Twin Cities, Mn
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I see a double yellow too, but those are NOT the markings for an HOV lane...
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How can you be 100% positive? Have you driven every HOV in every state in the country....? Are you the authority on HOV markings?
Please enlighten us if you are.
Previously owned: 2005 Z Enthusiast, Super Black, 6 spd.
Currently lease: 2006 Pathfinder S, Silver, Auto
"She is (and always will be) my little deuce coupe, you don't know what I got!"
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How can I be positive?
Because in the USA all yellow road markings are only used for OPPOSITE traffic. And HOV lane like that is SAME DIRECTION traffic so it has to be marked with WHITE.
That's why they use different color lane markers, so you CAN BE 100% POSITIVE when you're driving around. Yellow sepparates OPPOSITE direction traffic, white is always SAME direction traffic. That's makes it easy for everyone.
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Sorry for my ignorance, but what is an HOV lane?
Don't have those in my neck of the woods.
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- Custom Exhaust
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No the concrete barrier separates opposing traffic, the double yellow is just as described zazupilot. Not everything is standard Hybrid, most DOT's do things their own way. I have seen the above situation, the HOV lane is treated as a separate road basically. It has controlled access, as much as possible by paint, you are only supposed to enter and pass in certain areas.
Matt
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"An HOV lane or carpool lane is reserved for carpooling. It may be marked with a diamond icon every few hundred feet (hence the nickname "diamond lane"), or separated from other lanes by double broken white lines, a continuous pair of double yellow lines, or just a single broken white line."
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanes
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Post Edited (Jul 13, 11:08am)
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.....Heavily Occupied Vehicle? (HOV)
'73 240z, sitting 16 years in garaged storage...Spring 2005 endeavor...
Twin Cities, Mn
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HOV-- high occupancy vehicle
--Denver 6-29-1999 1st post.
82 280zxt 4 spd auto
73 240z--lsd, cv axles
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"most DOT's do things their own way."
No they don't.
LANE MARKERS (like stop lights) have to be consistant.
When you drive a car in this country the color for traffic control and separation HAVE TO BE THE SAME or it's chaos.
If they marked it with a DOUBLE YELLOW, then that is a marker for no passing opposite direction traffic. Markings for HOV where positive separation is provided by a barrier is a DOUBLE WHITE for same direction no passing.
If it's improperly marked to that extent, then your off the hook.
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Cool, thanks guys.
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1990 300zx NA
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- JWT Pop Charger
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I always learned to have white on the right and yellow on the left when going down a multilane road. IF you looked down and saw yellow to your right then you should make a correction very quickly. Since this is a highway I thought that it would follow Federal DOT sign and marking standards known as the MUTCD (Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices).
But. HOV lanes are new to our highway systems and each state does not have to follow the FED. MUTCD precisely.
Obviously the picture does not lie so that state decided to use a double yellow to seperate the HOV lane even though double white is the approprate marking to reinforce the seperation or someone made a mistake.
1993 300zx NA
Post Edited (Jul 13, 1:31pm)
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You are all of you correct
Here is the scoop:
I-15 has a Fast Track lanes (which you have to pay for) and then they merge into the HOV lane (which starts right after the fast track lanes end). About the fast track lanes are regulated by the time of day and are in the direction of the worst traffic. HOV lane that I am talking about is a strip that aways in same direction of traffic -- like a normal HOV lane. There is 3 mile strip that this HOV lane exists and then if fully merges into traffic as a regular fast lane. And to use this lane the only way to legally enter is to use fast track (which ALWAYS goes in the wrong direction at that time of day. (everyone in san diego this is around 56 and 15 intersection.
So I crossed the double yellow to get on the HOV lane (on my bike) right where it started and the double yellow is there for the whole duration of the HOV lane -- makes it impossible to use it under regular traffic conditions so much for the tax payer money being wasted.
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'74 2+2 -- MSA sway bars, Illuminas, Eibach Progressive, Energy Suspension
L28 with MN47, 240Z rods, milled down dished pistons (11.6:1 CR) and 240sx tranny
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I am not trying to justify my action and I will pay the ticket, I am just pointing out how absurt that section of the HOV lane is -- no way to enter unless you are paying for the Fast Track which in the morings are in the wrong direction -- which means that this lane is not being utilized by anybody for 12 hours each day
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'74 2+2 -- MSA sway bars, Illuminas, Eibach Progressive, Energy Suspension
L28 with MN47, 240Z rods, milled down dished pistons (11.6:1 CR) and 240sx tranny
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I was looking through some of the DMV sites (yeah, I'm bored at work) and found this on the California website (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdbk/pgs22thru25.htm):
Two solid yellow lines mean “no passing.” Never drive to the left of these lines unless you are:
1. Turning left at an intersection.
2. Turning into or out of a private road or driveway.
3. In a carpool lane that has a designated entrance on the left.
4. Instructed to drive on the other side of the road because your side is closed or blocked.
Apparently things are different on the West Coast.
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I guess some cop really didnt have anything else better to do that instant.
dont pay it, go to court as you have a pretty good chance the cop wont even show up and its dismissed. Either way the judge will most likely lower the fine when you go to court, at least they do here.
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Zolorin, you're right. I used to to drive from mid-city to Rancho Bernardo in the late morning every day, and the damn thing would be empty. Useless.
'79 280zx (gone - head-on collision)
'73 240zt - currently in pieces
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Man, we need to get some of those around here. Way too many Escalades rollin' around town with one person in them.
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- Custom Exhaust
- JWT Pop Charger
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Yea, they miss-applied the stripes. Maybe in California it takes 3-STRIPES to separate Cali drivers all going the same way?!?! That's hurts to even look at that picture.
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I dont know Hybrid - I dont seem to see ANY consistency when it comes to HOV lane marking.
San Diego
LA
Hartford
Long Island
Maryland
Dallas
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Wow, that IS odd.
I guess they can use the HOV lane to catch out-of-towners that have not learned the local customs.
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Zolorin - thanks for the info - and clarification.
That's exacatly why you should fight the tickest. Unless the courts and then Dept. of Hiways and their engineers are alerted to the "confusion" -
nothing will get done to correct it.
There are many "Laws" on the books that are not applied correctly or mis-understood or are so confusing that no person not specializing in those laws can really understand them.
That's why there are courts and then higher courts of appeal.
Laws are made by people, interpretted by people and people are not perfect.
We all learn something new and relearn from experience.
You have some pretty good "documenation" on your side. The more evidence you can show the better off you are. Plus if the officer doesn't show up then the ticket should be dismissed. Even at that it is his word against yours in a very subjective and confusing situation.
Ed and Jeanne's
ZXelda 1981 280 ZXT: ZXena 1990 300 ZX
1941 Buick Special Sedanette (Betty)
1956 Dodge Royal (Dorothy)
1971 Buick Riviera (Rita)
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1992 Firebird (Frieda)
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you don't know everything. I work very closely with DOT, and I know how these HOV lanes came about, are set up and retro-fitted to our existing roadways. The retro fitting is the main reason you see differences in markings, also the fact that each DOT can and does do things differently. There are standards at the federal level that are supposed to trickle down thru the states. But in a lot of places they don't even use State DOT's they have county DOT's and those places are even worse. States whom get little funding from the FHWA tend to make do and their own rules.
You must live in a utopia, it seems like everything around you is always perfect and the standard for how everything and everyone else is to be judged.
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The other reason to fight it is that the minimum fine for HOV violation in Cali is ..............................$371.............................
Art Rinner
1983 280ZXT Daily Driver
1975 280Z Co-Daily Driver
1973 240ZT New Autox Car Too much to list
1973 240ZT Uber Race Car (under construction)
Owner Sunrise Z in Glendale, CA
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"HOV lanes came about, are set up and retro-fitted to our existing roadways."
That is one MORE reason that the stripng should be CONSISTANT. Just laying down a double yellow like that is STUPID and unnessesary and confusing. Any DOT that does that needs to be fired. A double-white is what is appropriate and consistant and understood.
I'll say again, any local DOT that mis-uses a double yellow should be fired. Driving with a double yellow on your right side just negated the whole purpose of lane markings. It's basically as stupid as a local DOT deciding that stop signs near HOV lanes means that only non-HOV cars should stop but HOV traffic can ignore it. It's just stupid.
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Double yellow means no passing. It does not mean do not cross. Unless you were passing or the offense was for being in a lane you weren't supposed to be in you didn't break a law. Confirm, document then go to court & chew the cop out for wasting your time & costing you lost wages.
Anyone can drive a new car.
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Post Edited (Jul 14, 8:21am)
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Hybrid you should run the country. There would be no more accidents, consistency of all things throughout the country. Everyone would stringently abide by all rules. Maybe we should just clone you. Actually that would be very dangerous as you two would argue yourselfs to death.
Matt
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I was on a motorcycle so I am allowed to use HOV lane so NO to $371 fine, but rather he nailed me for crossing the double yellow to get into the HOV lane, which I looked up you are not supposed to do ($100 ticket + admin consts), but he could have nailed me for speeding (80 in 65) and then I would not be complaining much -- I was speeding, but going with the flow of traffic
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'74 2+2 -- MSA sway bars, Illuminas, Eibach Progressive, Energy Suspension
L28 with MN47, 240Z rods, milled down dished pistons (11.6:1 CR) and 240sx tranny
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There would still be accidents since there are stupid people driving. I'm just saying that adding "local" striping rules is equally stupid on the part of the local DOT. It's even more stupid to make up your own striping an a construction/retro-fitted road cause it's confusing enough without some "new" and "local" stipes thrown in.
Down in Houston they did the same thing when they put a new train on street level and made up their own "local" signs, lanes with strange new symbols, and changed the lights to go from green directly to red. The "local" DOT claimed it was drivers causing all the wrecks that happened between cars and train. The REAL problem is that the traffic signage was unique and you just can't throw odd things at drivers and hope that they figure it out in time.
Local DOT's that make up their own traffic flow symbology should be fired (or tried for negligent homicide in some cases).
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I won't argue the negative effects - your right. DOT in general at state and fed levels is a complete cluster F*ck.
I just find it funny that you were saying these areas don't exist, even after pictures are shown. Then come to find out you've seen examples.
Matt
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You can't read,
I said "Wow, that IS odd" not "that does not exist" after the pics were posted Glad you find it funny because of your own lack of reading skills.
The reading skills are the issue here too.
It's insane to have to read every State DOT booklets before simple driving in that State. Some things like lane markers and traffic control are universal. Dropping into LA and renting a car should be not require you to read the local LA/CA motor vehicle code before driving on the freeway to get to the hotel!
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Zoro Lin: If you WERE speeding don't drag the cop to court! Just pay it. The cop saw you were speeding and he didn't call you on it? Just pay it. ...I had 5 motorcycles and I think THEY just see us as unarmed easy prey. Terrible when it happens to you! I've ran my car over those stripes, they just got in my way, officer. I mean, you're driving so dam fast and at the same time, you're looking for some kind of "on ramp" or some break in the strips. PITA! Norm K
Norman Krell
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Now now Matt -
Don't be picking on Hybrid about reading skills and his certitude of the "All Knowing Community Consicence" -
That's my job! We've gotten into it up to where ever because he can't be wrong. I was about to compliment him on admitting he didn't know everything but then he reverted to type.
If Hybrid now insists on making it an argument on reading comprhension (he reads only what he wants to, to support his argument) then one and all read posts #11 & #17 of this thread to see what this sub argument is about.
Read threads "The City Prosecutor Is . . ." & " I hate my neighbor" to see what I'm talking about.
Hybrid - maybe you were more right than not in our last argument when you called me a criminal for putting my 700 pounds of tree cutiings (neatly cut & stacked at curb for heavy trash pickup) 6 days before the pickup.
I must live in a neighbor hood of criminals becasue from 10 am to 12 pm while waiting in court 200 + of my neighbors were in court (per City Prosecutor) on the very same charges.
That days court was arraigning over a thousand such tickets. Peopls were ticketed for things clearly the city's fault. Over zealous city workers are trying to please department heads in an election year (prosecutors explanation not mine). My trial before jury is on Jan. 19, 2007.
When it comes to reading comprehension - read above mentioned posts and threads to see where the "discussion comes from.
Zolorin - Ok the extra info changes the fight City Hall advice but then if the officer doesn't show up it should be dismissed. He didn't ticket for speed so he can't address that. Do what you feel best.
But sometimes a good fight like a good self righteous rant is good for the soul.
Ed and Jeanne's
ZXelda 1981 280 ZXT: ZXena 1990 300 ZX
1941 Buick Special Sedanette (Betty)
1956 Dodge Royal (Dorothy)
1971 Buick Riviera (Rita)
1975 Ford F-150 Stepside (Fiona)
1992 Firebird (Frieda)
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it's always satisfying when a no-it-all is flat out wrong.
tee hee hee
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'05 350Z Chrome Silver Touring
'73 240Z
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justinrhenry,
LOOK at the pictures and see that I was actually right.
The more you look, you see that there IS a white always on the right side.
I said it was "odd" and their use of stripage is odd.
If YOU can find one without a white stripe on the right, let me know...
The ODD is that they use 3 stripes.
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Which part is right?
Author: Hybrid77Z
"Right, NOT a double yellow but a double white." not right
"The double yellow sepparates opposite flow traffic." true, but not right in this case.
"I see a double yellow too, but those are NOT the markings for an HOV lane..." again, not right.
"Because in the USA all yellow road markings are only used for OPPOSITE traffic. And HOV lane like that is SAME DIRECTION traffic so it has to be marked with WHITE." ok, half right?
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'05 350Z Chrome Silver Touring
'73 240Z
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Well, we can agree that having incosistent markings, one-off markings, and new interpretations of stripe color does NOT help. I was glad to see the pictures cause it's still hard to believe.