A&Q about 350Z
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What is the WORST selling vehicle in America right now? (Just came across this info)
See if you can guess.
'76 280Z driver, '75 parts car
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Pontiac GTO. Just a guess, I have no idea. And I like the GTO. Paul
'77 280Z
'72 510 Wagon with Ka24de conversion
'68 1600 Roadster
'74 MGBGT
'96 Nissan Maxima GLE
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Kia Sportage, they suck ass
72 240z with trip carbs and a Header
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There are numerous manufacturers have not sold any car nameplates in the first two months of 2006 and many that have 1 to 3 sales.
Chevrolet Classic - 2 cars sold in the US for JAN/FEB
Mazda Protege - 1
Infiniti I30/J30 - 1
Suzuki Vitara - 2
Infiniti QX4 - 2
Pontiac GTO actually sold 1391 first 2 months
http://www.autonews.com/assets/PDF/CA509933.PDF
1993 300zx NA
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Lowest numbers for American cars? Probably the Saleen S7.
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Ford GT, too expensive and low production. Avg. price is like $143,000 and it's up against the Corvette Z06 and Dodge Viper both in the $70,000 range with almost the same performance. There is one in my complex at work though. Forbes magazine.
1972 240Z always in progress
***WARNING*** MY POSTS MAY CONTAIN SARCASM
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Um Hummer H1?
I know they discontinued prodcution but I bet some are still in dealer inventory.
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Saturn ION and then the Mazda B-Series pickup
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I think WORST selling is different than least selling. some cars like daily drivers (Corolla, Accord, etc) and trucks are expected to sell a lot. Some are expected to not sell many because of the audience that they are trying to appeal to is smaller and they know that. I think WORST selling in its class is more appropriate.
-------Senkyoshi
1973 240Z 4spd Dual Webers
"I spend too much time raiding windmills"
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You have to define worst selling.
I say the Lincoln Zephyr
Previously owned: 2005 Z Enthusiast, Super Black, 6 spd.
Currently lease: 2006 Pathfinder S, Silver, Auto
"She is (and always will be) my little deuce coupe, you don't know what I got!"
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What — according to a leading auto expert on a regularly scheduled TV program dealing with the auto industry — is "The worst selling vehicle currently on the (American) market."
You see lots of these, so 'worst selling' doesn't mean 'lowest numbers.'
Here are some hints: its a model that has been made for years; it's made by a major manufacturer (not necessarily American, but nothing weird like Bugatti) and it is not a specialized model like a Saleen. We're looking for a make and type of vehicle such as 'Ford Crown Victoria' (but that's not it).
'76 280Z driver, '75 parts car
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Chevy Impala
Previously owned: 2005 Z Enthusiast, Super Black, 6 spd.
Currently lease: 2006 Pathfinder S, Silver, Auto
"She is (and always will be) my little deuce coupe, you don't know what I got!"
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"worst selling' doesn't mean 'lowest numbers"
Of course worse selling means lowest nunbers.
The best selling is always based on NUMBERS SOLD so the worst selling has to be based on very low volume (sales) NUMBERS alone.
The English language is a tool and words mean specific things. If you mean something else then please use the corect verbage. Hint: TV programs seldom use specific language and auto experts are less skilled.
So,
Is this "worst" based only on manufacturers dashed expectation and not real numbers?
Post Edited (Jul 11, 5:41pm)
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Zazupilot got it right: From Wikipedia — "According to Autoline Detroit, the Mazda B Series is the worst selling vehicle currently on the market."
So Hybrid, tell me please: does that mean they sell fewer B2600s than — as long as I used the example — Bugatti Veronas? Or Saleen Mustangs? No, it doesn't. So 'lowest numbers' in fact does not correlate with 'worst selling' in this case.
I will agree with you, however, that the phrasing is a little vague — especially considering every Ford Ranger for the past decade or so has been a Mazda B-series with different badging. Perhaps this is the reason WHY the B's don't sell all that well.
'76 280Z driver, '75 parts car
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So, you're saying that I need to surrender our language to Wikipedia and the hyperboli of Auto magazines for definitions? No thank you.
EDIT: As far as I can tell, the "Autoline Detroit" show has something in common with the Mazda truck. It is probably the lowest rated auto related show in the world.
Post Edited (Jul 11, 6:13pm)
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Hummer H1
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In this case, "worst" means that it fails to meet the standard in comparison to others & their expectations. If you produce a limited number & sell all of them they're limited & therefore in a different class than mass produced vehicles such as a B-Series pickup. But come on, is it really a point worth arguing?
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And by worst, I don't mean fewest.
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No it's not a point worth arguing. Just thought it would be a fun bit of trivia for an otherwise skull-numbing day of work and I was tired of reading the 400th "I beat a (fill in blank) with my Z today" story.
Next time I come across another mindless piece of car trivia that I think some of you might get a kick out of, I will be sure to check with Hybrid for the proper syntax, source material, confirmation and pertinence.
'76 280Z driver, '75 parts car
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well what's the answer
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So, the answer is based on second hand expectations? That's silly.
Just saying "worst selling" must be defined and based on actual sales numbers or it's all just how a TV host interprest what executives say.
"Worst Selling" means SELLING (and selling is defined by numbers). And the worst selling VEHICLE is not a Mazda truck. Now worst selling vehicle is a real trivia question.
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what do I win?
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"worst" is a superlative to "bad", which means that yes, it fails to meet the "recognized standard."
Selling as defined by only by total numbers is kind of like zero tolerance in schools. Now if you want to talk about silly...
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"Vehicle" is wide open.
And if YOU want to try to use "recognized standard" then you have to define what the standard is. Is the standard for trucks, cars, SUV's airplane, rocket, balloon, what? You at least have to give that part or it's still wide open.
Now if he asked "worst selling production truck currently in the U.S., then that would probably be the H1 as someone said.
Post Edited (Jul 11, 8:02pm)
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What is the WORST selling vehicle in America right now? (Just came across this info)
Right now also could mean at this minute. Which cars are being sold this minute and which ones are not selling. America? North or South? Vehicle? Motorcycle or RV?
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With gas prices heading up again, I'm not so sure that little trucks are the worst selling anymore... Big trucks getting 10mpg are getting harder to move.
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Correct Hybrid, it is wide open. However, YOUR definition of "worst selling" as it pertains to this thread is flawed. You said with some authority that "Of course worse selling means lowest nunbers." (copy/paste from above)
Take baseball for example. If a guy gets called up in Sept & gets four pinch-hit plate appearances & gets four hits, does that make him the worst hitter in baseball because he only got four total hits for the season? Of course not, he only had four chances to hit the ball. Does that make him the best since his batting average was 1.000? Of course not, he only had four chances to hit the ball.
If a guy plays every game, gets 700 at-bats and gets 82 hits, is the guy who only got four hits "worse?" No, because they're in a totally different category. One hitter had many appearances while the other was very limited, therefore he didn't qualify for the batting title. He was a token player at the end of the year, much like the Saleen S7 could be considered a limited vehicle. Granted, his average was the highest in baseball at 1.000%, but he didn't have enough plate appearances to qualify to be in the same category as the player who played 162 games.
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Worst average IS worst average.
Baseball, like car sales, is always DEFINED further. Just like worst average has to be further defined by " in a season", vehicle sales also have to be further defined by "for trucks".
Just asking "worst vehicle sales" is just as silly as asking worst batting average. You have to define it further or it looses all relevance.
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ZinSeattle, I don't know much about the other car companies sales numbers you got, but. Infiniti hasn't made the QX4 for a couple of years. It is now called the QX45. The J-30 hasn't been made for 5-6 years and the I-30 was rebadged the I-35 in 01 and they don't make that one anymore either.
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You're all over the place Hybrid. You DEFINED it as numbers sold. Now it's open to interpretation (which is correct). Make up your mind. Another thing is that yes, our language is a tool and words DO mean certain things. However, the interpretation of those words can be construed to mean different things. Hence, the problem with the slogan of "Worst Selling Car."
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This is the WORST thread ever!!!
Sean
73 240Z Turbo, Intercooled L28ET, T3/T04E .63/.50/57 trim, 8.8:1 CR, 88 EFI w/ custom EPROM, Z32 MAF, 47 lb injectors, Pallnet rail
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Well if it's open to interpretation, it's NOT trivia.
If it's factual trivia, then it's pure sales numbers.
In either case, it's NOT a Mazda.
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I can't believe I'm actually posting on this thread again.
Hybrid, you are a smart guy. I've read your posts on this site for years and you know whereof you speak. I've gone to your 'best page in the universe' a few times and find it, more often than not, one of the more entertaining ones in the genre. And I know at this point you're just messing with us because . . . I don't know, there's nothing good on TV, or it's just your nature or you've had too much Vitamin Tony-D or something.
Are Mazda truck the worst sellers? Search me. For all I know, they could be th the best investment on the planet, outselling Coca Cola, Pepsi, Kruggerands and freakin' hot dogs on Labor Day.
But you know, who really gives a rat's behind one way or the other?
'76 280Z driver, '75 parts car
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Has anyone ever thought that there is NO SUCH THING AS THE PRESENT??
There is only the PAST and the FUTURE.
Think about it.
Later,Norm
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It takes a worthless POS to bring us all togheter..then we complaint about the guy who post the: we-all know-the-answer Q. n yes Norm, there is no present, is : past, now n future.
Have you shared the left lane today?
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I understood the question perfectly and I took a fun guess stab at it. I think that's what he was looking for. Paul
'77 280Z
'72 510 Wagon with Ka24de conversion
'68 1600 Roadster
'74 MGBGT
'96 Nissan Maxima GLE
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No,
the question was really "Hey, I found an Internet link that has no sales data at all, that is at least 2 years old (2004), and makes a reference to an opinion on some local cable station (that is a bad link). Guess what I saw".
The problem started when people answered the question as written.
I'd think it'd be interesting if anyone actually knew the current low sales "leader".
Post Edited (Jul 12, 6:11am)
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Hybrid, I think it would be interesting, an probably slightly annoying, to see you in a room with a bunch of flaming liberals all arguing your heads with nobody in particular off over nothing of any significance, and then pretending you are changing the world while everyone else goes about their day real life.
Of course, that means I am assuming you are democrat, which would make me an ass...yep, and a conservative republican ass at that.
Previously owned: 2005 Z Enthusiast, Super Black, 6 spd.
Currently lease: 2006 Pathfinder S, Silver, Auto
"She is (and always will be) my little deuce coupe, you don't know what I got!"
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Hybrid,
It's "hyperbole", not "hyperboli". Glad to see I at least *almost* taught you something!
Normie, you've got it wrong. There is no past or future, there's ONLY the present!
cantZ,
if you're living in a world of "liberals" vs. "conservatives", as currently defined, you're missing 99.9% of the picture.
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Yea Dan, It was late and my spelling suffered (though I'm not sure how trying to peel through unsupported opinions to actually answer a question makes me a liberal).
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http://www.grinzo.com/energy/blog_entry_archive/2006/06/2006x06x02_2.html
closest I could find.
1972 240Z always in progress
***WARNING*** MY POSTS MAY CONTAIN SARCASM
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I believe the implication was supported by your answer...
peeling through unsupported opinion on a trivial matter = arguing a point that noone cares about.
Thanks
Previously owned: 2005 Z Enthusiast, Super Black, 6 spd.
Currently lease: 2006 Pathfinder S, Silver, Auto
"She is (and always will be) my little deuce coupe, you don't know what I got!"
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CantZmee, if you don't care about the topic of "worst selling vehicle in 2006", why the hell are you posting?
Piper5177, nice article. Mazda trucks did take a dump this year (though it looks like most truck lines tanked this summer). Funny that Mazda trucks are considered "worst selling" by one auto person when they are selling at the same rate that 1st gen Z cars did when they were considered "best selling" for also getting just a meager 4-5 thousand vehicles out the door a month...
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I would consider from a sales standpoint worst selling to mean lowest return on investment. I.E. percentage of sales to cars manufactured. For example, if Ford manufactures 180,000 of a certain type of vehicle and only sells 10% of them at their target price, that is 18,000 sales, but that is VERY bad, hence worst selling status. So what is collecting dust on the lots that were produced in large numbers?
1972 240Z always in progress
***WARNING*** MY POSTS MAY CONTAIN SARCASM
Post Edited (Jul 12, 10:17am)
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It was said earlier in this thread that cars are produced to meet certain numbers. No high performance vehicles are built to stand up in sales numbers with something like the stupid ass civic. They are geared towards a certain audience and expect the sales numbers to reflect that. No way does a porsche outsell a civic. Sadly. Now whether or not Hybrid is right about the proper grammar and usage of the word WORST is up in the air, I don't care either way. I just think my arguement is what was the intended context. Worst relating to expected manufacturer sales.
1972 240z w/L28, tokico shocks and springs, and a 5 speed waiting. Also running high performance ultra mega blinker fluid, that's at least an extra 50hp to the wheels.
1987 Toyota Supra Turbo 5-speed. Belongs to me until my friend get's back from Iraq.
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Exactly, the lowest volume was the Mercedes SLR Mclaren, only 200 sold, but they also only had 200 to sell in the US in 2005. 100% sales, pretty good right?
1972 240Z always in progress
***WARNING*** MY POSTS MAY CONTAIN SARCASM
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Nope Danny Boy you got it all wrong ,there is NO SUCH THING AS THE PRESENT!! haha
What I just typed is now in the past and will forever be in the past.
What you choose to reply with is now in the future, but the minute it is typed it will be the past!! haha
Later,Norm
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Hybrid would argue with a dead man.
Knowledge Speaks, Wisdom Listens.
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I like that Norm.
Arguing with Hybrid is like watching a dog chase his tail. He is the king of the circular argument and consistently gets everyone on this board to play.
Is the glass half empty or half full?
It's a matter of perception...and so are all of Hybrid's arguments.
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1990 300zx NA
- Custom Exhaust
- JWT Pop Charger
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No, PERCEPTION (and pulling nonsense out of ones arse) is what everyone else was trying to argue. I'm asking for real nombers, not "perception". "Worst Selling" has to be based on current numbers.
Sorry guys, but some Wikenpedia page (that leaves off in 2004) is not a souce to answer the question for "right now".
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You missed the point of my post...
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1990 300zx NA
- Custom Exhaust
- JWT Pop Charger
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LOL, if everything is a matter of perception, then just imagine that I'm agreeing with you. Q.E.D.
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No, everything is not a matter of perception. But, your circular arguments all play on perception. It allows you to argue almost any point with relative success.
Iceman: "I saw a real cool car the other day"
Hybrid: "What like it was cold?"
Iceman: "No, as in I liked it, I thought it looked good"
Hybrid: "Well, by definition cool means cold, so you saw a cold car?"
Iceman: "No Hydrid, it looked cool"
Hybrid: "Oh, so you just thought is was cool, you didn't actually touch it"
and so on...circular argument based on a differance in perception. You do it all the time. You've even managed to reel me in a few times...like now...sh!t.
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1990 300zx NA
- Custom Exhaust
- JWT Pop Charger
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Wrong. I'm trying to work toward the answer to the topic of the post(unlike IcemanD420 that that rather only post to argue personalities and derail the topic). Once things are defined (like sales numbers) then you can go on to compare and find the "worst" that fits the the parameters.
The "info" is a few years out-of-date so still trying to figure out what is the current vehicle with the slowest sales. Thanks Piper5177 for at least finding some real numbers from the last few months. Still, that has the Mazda moving 4000+ a month which aint that shabby...
Post Edited (Jul 12, 3:31pm)
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Hey everyone, I overheard some guy talking to someone on the phone about an article his sister's brother in law read. She didn't know who wrote it or when, but why should that matter? The article — well, okay, maybe it was a few thoughts randomly scribbled on a napkin — claims to absolutely, unequivocably have found the bluest car ever produced. Based on this background, I'm absolutely certain that this information must be correct. I thought it must be that nice Dodge Truck color, but I wasn't even close. . .
So anyway, forget all that 'worst selling' nonsense. Hybrid was right. Matter of fact, I have an old beater parts car that nobody wants, so I'm kinda thinking IT is the worst-selling car, since it won't sell! Geez, and the answer was right in my backyard all along!
Anyway, here's one we can really all agree on — the bluest car in the world. And yes, Iceman, it is also one of the coolest . . . er . . . good lookingest.
'76 280Z driver, '75 parts car
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Please refer to my posts earlier in this thread to verify that I do indeed care about the post.
Previously owned: 2005 Z Enthusiast, Super Black, 6 spd.
Currently lease: 2006 Pathfinder S, Silver, Auto
"She is (and always will be) my little deuce coupe, you don't know what I got!"
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LOL, Well defined and with current information. That works for me!
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I guess I was thinking along the same lines as Piper5177.
Initial investment vs expected sales.....and I think that's all that matters
to the manufacturer....
o.k. I'll take a crack at it....the Ford Five-Hundred? (either I'm still unaware
how they look like or haven't seen one) and I had to think about a few....
I'm sure TonyD is typing something up tomorrow, but when he gets back he won't be able to read it until today.....(sorry norm, just playing with you!)
'73 240z, sitting 16 years in garaged storage...Spring 2005 endeavor...
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