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Video
Z31 ECCS (still have wiring to clean up.)
New rims and tires (voxx rims and falken aziena tires)
SHIFT_PPSSHHHTT... I love it, I love it
1973 240z, 2.8L Turbo, BRE Style
z31 ECCS and MAF swap
Spooled Up Racing ®
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Good to see it running. What boost are you runnning on those injectors?
Those rims are going to look a lot nicer than the snowflakes, IMO. Black rims may have worked for "Bumble Zee", but not for "BRE Z" so much. It really brightens up the appearance.
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1976 Datsun 280Z 2+2:
-'81 L28ET with 1984 Z31 ECCS
-'81 Turbo snowflakes
-205/60/15 BFG G-Force Sports
-Tokico springs and HP shocks
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holy $hit that thing sounds likes its packing some serious heat!
73' 240z: F54 4.2L, OS Giken LY DOHC Crossflow head, 17:3comp.ratio, N33, Tripple SU's, T10 Hybrid Draw-Through TT @ 47pds, Roots&Centrifugal Type supercharger, 3-2-1 headers, Centerforce 4 clutch, 6oz flywheel, R300 differential, Super-Hicas
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9 lbs still Sean, going to run it out to 12 and be done for the season. Still have to attach the ecu to the kick panel, and turn the maf screw back to where it was.
SHIFT_PPSSHHHTT... I love it, I love it
1973 240z, 2.8L Turbo, BRE Style
z31 ECCS and MAF swap
Spooled Up Racing ®
http://spooledupracing.tripod.com/home.htm
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man.... thats one badddd motha'-shut your mouth!!!
are you running that with a 280ZX or a 300ZX wiring harness??
77Z- (mfg. 7/77)
"Arm-chair Autox'er"
Post Edited (Aug 15, 2:44pm)
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yep a 81 280zxt fi and ignition harness
SHIFT_PPSSHHHTT... I love it, I love it
1973 240z, 2.8L Turbo, BRE Style
z31 ECCS and MAF swap
Spooled Up Racing ®
http://spooledupracing.tripod.com/home.htm
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sweet.
i wonder if thats a cheaper investment than megasquirt... especially if i can hit up all of the z31's in the jy's around here...hehe.
77Z- (mfg. 7/77)
"Arm-chair Autox'er"
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Excuse my ignorance but why do you guys use stock Z31 junk as "upgrades" for your 240Zs? I'm just curious is all...
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project
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I'm not gonna lie wannabrez....
That car SCARES THE CRAP OUT OF ME...
I would pull over and let you pass if I ever saw you on the road...
Just FYI.
Awesome work
youth is wasted on the young
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Excuse my ignorance but why do you guys use stock Z31 junk as "upgrades" for your 240Zs? I'm just curious is all...
Because the 280zxt stock stuff if more of a POS then the z31 "junk" Plus, z31 ecu's can be socketed and then you can tune.
SHIFT_PPSSHHHTT... I love it, I love it
1973 240z, 2.8L Turbo, BRE Style
z31 ECCS and MAF swap
Spooled Up Racing ®
http://spooledupracing.tripod.com/home.htm
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You might not call it "junk" if you had ridden in the March 2006 Z car of the month like we have.
Amazing how he can make 453 rwhp on an "untuneable" piece of "junk" EFI system, eh?!
I only spent less than $140 to make my car a lot more driveable. A good part of that was modifying the distributor which 82-83 owners don't really have to do.
I think wannaBREz only spent like $40 or something like that because he got more freebies than me.
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1976 Datsun 280Z 2+2:
-'81 L28ET with 1984 Z31 ECCS
-'81 Turbo snowflakes
-205/60/15 BFG G-Force Sports
-Tokico springs and HP shocks
Post Edited (Aug 15, 7:58pm)
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I just meant junk as a general term, meaning parts! Kindly get off my back now you stressed out monkey lol
A simple answer stating so you can tune it would of sufficed :P
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project
Post Edited (Aug 15, 8:29pm)
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Sorry about that! I thought that you were bashing it.
It's just that a lot of people here at Zcar.com don't take the Z31 MAF swap seriously and bash it without really knowing what it is capable of. People have flamed me for recommending this swap to others.
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1976 Datsun 280Z 2+2:
-'81 L28ET with 1984 Z31 ECCS
-'81 Turbo snowflakes
-205/60/15 BFG G-Force Sports
-Tokico springs and HP shocks
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Nah, as if I would bash my own Z's brain? :) It's somewhat flattering that the Z31's ECU is a common upgrade for you guys lol I was just curious, figured it would of been for the tuning capabilities...
As for the MAF, I'm a map sensor fan boy waiting till I have the coin to fork out for a badass standalone ecu so I can do away with it completely...
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project
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Don't foret here guys; that he also swapped out the zx distributor with an '83 turbo distibutor that had it's photocell guts removed and the guts of a 300ZX distributor retrofitted in. Courtesy of Sean (280Z Turbo). Awesome job guys!
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They just don't understand how much you can get out of it for so little money.
It's even less expensive than MegaSquirt if you play your cards right.
72 WooHoo!! In good shape too...
72 Rolling Chassis (RB or LS1?)
80 NA SCCA ST2/CP (Car + Tree = Dead)
82 NA 3.0L the rust monster got it
82 ZXT 3.1L, 25psi! Hit in the right rear. ;(
83 parts car
92 TT Sold! ;(
02 Looking for an '03 made in '02
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It's still not as good as a true standalone but for the money it's awesome...
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project
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Exactly! $150 to $200 vs. $500 to $1200.
300zxt wrote:
> It's still not as good as a true standalone but for the money
> it's awesome...
>
72 WooHoo!! In good shape too...
72 Rolling Chassis (RB or LS1?)
80 NA SCCA ST2/CP (Car + Tree = Dead)
82 NA 3.0L the rust monster got it
82 ZXT 3.1L, 25psi! Hit in the right rear. ;(
83 parts car
92 TT Sold! ;(
02 Looking for an '03 made in '02
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Yep, but the Z31 MAF is still very limited so when you count in the price of a new one, commonly the Cobra MAF, the price starts to sneak up a bit. This is where, in my opinion, a standalone/mapsensor based ecu comes into it. Everyone has their own personal perferences for tuning beyond that point however... Whatever works I say!
Cool video! I just checked it out, that thing sounds ferocious! lol
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project
Post Edited (Aug 15, 9:34pm)
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Not so spendy and in my opinion better than the Cobra. I was doing the Z31 swap, I had it wired up and ready to start. I yanked it out after doing some major research on the Mega Squirt stuff. I'm all in favor of build it your self type of stuff though.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
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you can easily expand the metering of a stock maf by placing the element into a larger pipe.
11.7@117mph
diy alcohol inj
z31 eccs/z32 maf
440cc injectors
60-1 hifi t4/t3
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i use carburetors
73' 240z: F54 4.2L, OS Giken LY DOHC Crossflow head, 17:3comp.ratio, N33, Tripple SU's, T10 Hybrid Draw-Through TT @ 47pds, Roots&Centrifugal Type supercharger, 3-2-1 headers, Centerforce 4 clutch, 6oz flywheel, R300 differential, Super-Hicas
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"and bash it "
I love people who have an opinion on anything, and then get tagged by sensitive prissies that they are 'bashing' this or that.
Grow a sac, and realize having an opinion is not necessarily 'bashing' something.
And if they were bashing it, so what? Resorting to namecalling and PC Police Tactics of kumbaya lets-all-just-get-along is not how western civilization progressed thusfar.
Spirited discourse and freedom of expression is how it progressed.
Don't forget it!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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LOL
What, Datto, you "bashing" EFI?
I'm offended by your bashing, totally missing your satirical commentary altogether.
Please apologize!
;^P
LOL
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Tony, I think "bashing" is when people base a strong opinion on ignorance. Calling the Z31 system "junk" would be bashing because it's obviously not junk if it can make a lot of L28ets run so much better.
If he said "Well, the Z31 MAF is an upgrade, but I think Megasquirt is better because..." that would not be bashing. That's what you would call an educated opinion.
But, he obviously didn't mean "junk" in a deragatory manner, so there's not even a problem here at all! Just a misinterpretation of his post on my part.
The content of your post has strayed so far from what actually happened in this thread I have to wonder if you're even talking to me or just ranting again for your own personal satisfaction...
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1976 Datsun 280Z 2+2:
-'81 L28ET with 1984 Z31 ECCS
-'81 Turbo snowflakes
-205/60/15 BFG G-Force Sports
-Tokico springs and HP shocks
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I didnt see Datto's response as bashing either... I used to run to Jag SU's on my yellow now demolished 280z. I love the SU's... but then I drove my friend turbo 280z... and well that 16.1 in the quarter went down to 14.1 when I was bitten by the boost bug.
I just posted it up because I figured its another option for people, I was introduced to it by Sean... so why not pass it along and help another Z guy.
BTW Sean!! Nice update to the conversion on WMZclub. If you want I can take pictures of all the wire changes and you can put them up.
SHIFT_PPSSHHHTT... I love it, I love it
1973 240z, 2.8L Turbo, BRE Style
z31 ECCS and MAF swap
Spooled Up Racing ®
http://spooledupracing.tripod.com/home.htm
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Sounds great. I am surprised your timing is not off though. Can anyone explain that to me?
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Why would the timing be off? Its a newer distributor from a 83zxt, just with 300zx guts... basically the same parts. As long as TDC #1 lines up with #1 on the cap... timing is close enough for fine adjustments.
I'll get flamed for that ;)
SHIFT_PPSSHHHTT... I love it, I love it
1973 240z, 2.8L Turbo, BRE Style
z31 ECCS and MAF swap
Spooled Up Racing ®
http://spooledupracing.tripod.com/home.htm
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"Just a misinterpretation of his post on my part."
And sooo quick to tag it "BASHING"!
Like is aid, you bash me, because you are overly senstive, and start defending someone WHO DIDN'T WANT DEFENDING!
As you see below, breZ didn't think it was bashing him, but you felt (for some reason) compelled to say it was bashing, when anone reading Dattos original comment clearly could understand he was discussing
'junk' in the simple english meaning of the word: anything taken off somewhere elss, or otherwise laying around the yard.
I.E.: My junk.
In the above phrase, I would not be bashing my worldly posessions (or could be...) but rather referring to loose items randomly laying around my property. It could be junk in the derragatory stuff, but generally junk connotates to a majority of people in the colleting business "stuff" and in used interchangably.
So again, I find it funny someone jumps on a bandwagon nobody asked them to, to take offense (through misinterpretation) at something the original poster never took offense to in the first place.
Point being, people should let the original poster defend their idea or their post, rather than jumping in with confrontational posts calling people names!
It is a plague on the oversensitized youth of today, and becoming endemic online.
Let people talk, before you start tagging them with PC labels and trying to shame them into silence through such PC Labelling.
Nobody want's to be labeled a 'basher' or 'bigot', 'racist', etc.... So the next time they tone it down, and as a result the discussion suffers.
Eventually nobody wants to confront or debate anything, and you get General Motors Decision By Committee.
Nothing good comes from that. Look around you, and you will see this is true.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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"I'll get flamed for that ;)"
SEE SEE SEE! SEE 280Z Driver, it already begins! Poor BreZ is already expecting backlash like it's meanspirited.....
LOL
I say it's "close enough", too! What can you expect, it's just thrown together from junk you had laying around, right? It runs, that's enough.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Its funny Sean because the "junk" thrown together runs better than the "junk" that was meant to be there... hehehe... all well :)
I drove it for about 30 miles yesterday around town... ran great, brought it up to 5500 rpm a few times, smooth all the way there.
How did you hook up the maf burnoff?? Switch to the F wire (Maf burnoff) and then the other to the battery?
I dont think anyone saw Datto's post as bashing. Tony D posted it as an assumption to further his agenda on zcar.. J/k. ;) I saw it as carbs are simple, you tune they run, end of story. One reason I love SU's.
SHIFT_PPSSHHHTT... I love it, I love it
1973 240z, 2.8L Turbo, BRE Style
z31 ECCS and MAF swap
Spooled Up Racing ®
http://spooledupracing.tripod.com/home.htm
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"I saw it as carbs are simple, you tune they run, end of story."
Me too!
As far as agenda, you are absolutely correct: "Words mean what they mean, nothing more, don't imply malicious intent right off the bat!"
Always been my agenda.
Though, of course, others "misinterpret it daily"!
;^P
See "Dude" explanation poste earlier this week! LOL
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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"Its a newer distributor from a 83zxt, just with 300zx guts..."
ah', it has the 83ZXT distributor. I am surprised the signal from it works. So now I can assume it uses a optical sensor.?.
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Yknow what's funny, due to the initial misinterpretation of my usage of the word "junk" it resulted in the accidental praise of Z31 parts and how good they are hehe Kinda funny, didn't think I'd ever see the day when I'd be hearing that from some of you! Z31 rules y0! lol
Aint nothing wrong with a 240Z that Z31 parts cant fix right? lol (cheap shot I know) :)
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project
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The original situation had nothing to do with you, but you thought that it was your place to attack and harass me about getting involved in other people's business???
You can go ahead and make a big long post about ADD and sensitive kids featuring eloquent wording, capitalized words, quotes pulled out of context, and exagerated claims about how I'm the bad guy, but I'm not buying it. After all, I have never received warnings from moderators about a lack of self-control.
You're a very knowledgeable and respected poster, and I really wish you would stop with this kind of crap.
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1976 Datsun 280Z 2+2:
-'81 L28ET with 1984 Z31 ECCS
-'81 Turbo snowflakes
-205/60/15 BFG G-Force Sports
-Tokico springs and HP shocks
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Whatever CAS is in use, Nissan Shapes the signals (regardless of trigger type) to be the same square-wave pulse.
The 81 CAS gives the exact same signal waveform to the ECU as the 82 and later CAS.
The 81 is a magnet, with a shaping circuit, the 82-later are optical with a the same square-wave signal.
just depends on what wires you hook up to.....
I tested this myself with an O-Scope, when dicking around with the 81 CAS and the Megasquirt.
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
Post Edited (Aug 17, 9:44pm)
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Realize you didn't have to post what you did, and live with it.
Nobody was bashing anybody, and some people here simply get sick of people over-reacting and calling PC Hate Speech Names to cow the populace into the Kumbaya Land of Make Believe.
Everyone here realized it wasn't bashing, and you have only aceded to a backhanded apology for calling someone a basher.
You overreacted to someone using a word (junk) which you and only you assigned malicious intent/inferrence.
All to common.
Please take my suggestion, and the suggestion I have made for years here: instead of inferring malicious intent in all verbiage, take the words in their most favorable light---then post.
But it doesn't change the fact you jumped in to call "basher" when the original poster didn't interpret it that way at all. Nobody did, just you.
You just have a problem with saying "sorry", in other than a backhanded way, and because you are bent on getting into a pi$$ing contest with me over your intent.
Obviously the other people in the post have deduced you motives, and as for myself, I can't think of anything else to add here, other than you should just stop picking the scab, and give it a rest.
The misinterpretation is on you, and nobody else. Live with it, I simply voiced disgust over how overly sensitive people here have gotten because of such misinterpretations. You are the one who put words in my mouth (please show me where I said anything about ADD----Freudian slip there?)
I'm done here, I suggest you do the same.
As a final and third time: Give it a rest!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
Post Edited (Aug 17, 9:59pm)
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Junk is good, junk fills up my garage, but this junk makes me $$$ every month! Sometimes if it's toned right even a little junk in the trunk is good.
Interesting setup BRE, I've got to read the wright up on the other site you mentioned. I have a question though, you mention "socketing" the ECU, I'm not familiar with what this is and what part you would use. It may just be terminology on my part. For instance I have installed a separate computer in my mustangs ECU (not to the service port ) it hooks to the re-programming connnection. It is completely hidden and lets me hook up a laptop thru a com cable and tune anything. Is this similiar to what your talking about?
Matt
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There are basically two ways to attach Microprocessor Chips to PCB's:
Hardsoldered, in which the pins are stuck through the board itself, and soldered directly to the board.
Or
"Socketed" where the chip resides within a "Socket" which is a plastic cradle that has mating holes for the chip's pins, and little springloaded contacts in those holes so they make good contact. In this case, the 'Socket' has a mirror-image of the Microprocessors' pins, and THEY are soldered to the board. This makes the socket in integral part of the board, but allows the ECU's Microprocessor Chip to easily be pried up and out for reburning or replacement at any time.
GM uses socketed chips, while Nissan uses harsoldered.
Incidentally, this is why a JWT car can compete in most SCCA classes because they ruled some time ago that making the ECU "socketed" is a modification to the ECU, while if the chip is still hardsoledered to the PCB, it then competes as "stock" regardless of what is burned on the ECU!
This is why the 350Z was kicking so much butt in the horsepower-controlled classes recently. Most of them were using "stock" ECUs'---meaning reburned chips. They could make gobs (or at least enough) more horsepower as they were not set up for telemetry. But if you altered the ECU, you -- by class rules -- had to run the Spec Motec Controller, which had fuel flow telemetry, and could be policed remotely by track officials during the race!
Many said "screw that!" They stuck with the crappy, "stock junk" and promptly kicked their competitors' butts.
That "socketed" part make it easier now? For a home builder who will have to reburn a few times, a socketed PCB in their ECU will be FAR easier to pop the chip in and out during that reburning process, than soldering and desoldering 48 pins every time! With the socket you only need do it once, and after that it's pop and pry!
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Hmm, thanks it sounds like I have "socketed" my stang. The microprocessor is connected directly to the ECU's board by plugging into the ECU's programming pins. The extra processor is inside the original ECU neatly tucked away.
Thanks for the detailed answer.
Matt
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You can also use an emulate which mimics the operation of the eprom containing the program used to run the engine. There are several types of free software that allow for realtime tuning while driving down the road, or on the dyno. Nistune software is also available and requires a few extra wires soldered into the ecu and allows realtime maptracing as well as viewing sensors during engine operation while tuning. Nistune also datalogs all sensors including the techedge wideband, innovate wideband and soon to be functional zietronix wideband. You can also use it to maptrace, perform consult functions on most pre-obd II nissan ecu's.
11.7@117mph
diy alcohol inj
z31 eccs/z32 maf
440cc injectors
60-1 hifi t4/t3
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NICE RIMS.. I will listen to the video when I get home but I LOVE those rims.. cant wait till I get my Z hopefully this weekend!!!
Dave
SpooledupRacing@comcast.net
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86' 13B 5spd, N/T
Rotary Power FTW!
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very cool vid. i love the look of that car. what blow off valve is that?
82 280zx turbo 5 speed
86 300zx NA 5 spd
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Its a RFL...
SHIFT_PPSSHHHTT... I love it, I love it
1973 240z, 2.8L Turbo, BRE Style
z31 ECCS and MAF swap
Spooled Up Racing ®
http://spooledupracing.tripod.com/home.htm