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i got sworn in to the US Marine Corps the day before yesterday...im trainning to be a reconnissance marine !!!! Yes! i cant wait, this summer after school im on my way to Perris Island, with my friend who is going to be an avaition mechainc!!! ive been waiting for this for a long time, and i made a 98 on my asvab test!!! thats insane! 100% in the automotive and electrical part...
so now maybe i can get a little respect??? hehe
anyways, i sold my old air damn; actually traded it..painted my grille silver, and the front of my car looks MEAN!
ill post some pics up when i get a chance, but the bubbleguinea mobile looks completely different from the front now, i like it!
its the same air damn at Prox.
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a 98! holy crap. good job man
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thanks guys! when i took the practice test, i made a 85, and my recruiter was very impressed and happy with me when het got my real scores back!!!
the physical was the hard part...i took it at MEPS at fort gillem.
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Congrats, Andrew. Never would have pictured you wanting to be in the Corps.
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Semper Fi!!
My Grandpa was a Marine.
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Reconnissance? Should be interesting...
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Haha, beat you by one point. But seriously hope the Corps works out for you. And remember when you get out that you're never an "Ex-Marine" or a "Former Marine". Once a Marine always a Marine.
The Marines may have some stupid looking dress uniforms and as a squid I've got to rag on them, but I've got some definite respect for them.
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Thanks for your service to our country, Andy. I'm a vet from the Vietnam era.
Keep your head down and be safe.
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Good luck. And thank you.
Rusty but running.
Polish cell phone and two tubes of Aluma-seal.
And, now we are historic.
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thanks so much guys :-)
hybrid, why will it be interesting???
i dont know if i will stick with that---my friends been tempting me to go with him---but i think recon will be a lot of fun--well, not fun, but interesting.
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Hope the corps will fix you. I remember when I was over at the MEPS taking my ASVAB test, this one guy whos joining the Marines failed the test. Well he got chewed out big time by the recruiter himself since they drove 2 hours just to get there.
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how in the hell do you fail the ASVAB?
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You don't fail it as much as you don't make the minimum grade for what they're requiring in order to recruit you. I need more recruits, I lower the requirements on the ASVAB.
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when i was 18 i took the practice test and made a 98 and about 2 minutes later the recruiter shoved the contract in front of me with a pen and scared me out of joining pretty much, a little too all of a sudden, probably means i wasn't meant to be one, the physical part would have been very easy for me at the time but decided not to join. about 6 months later i met my wife who i wouldn't have met if i had joined. good luck bubbles, and drink lots of beer for us!
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Sounds funny, TonyD and little buddy serving in the same service branch. I really hope that you have matured somewhat gilligan, if not you are in for a hard time for yourself.
I think the Military is a great thing for young men. You have a chance to learn something, get discipline in your life and way of thinking, and you will get that in the military.
There is an old saying in the military "they cant force you to do anything, but they sure can make you wish you did"
This will be a true test of your character, do you have what it takes? I really hope so, if not well there really is not much to say is there.
I would not be to concerned with the ASVAB scores. You did score high, but that really is not something I would recommend you talking to much about with other guys. So you are not a rock, good for you, how do you see your enlistment turning out?
Keep us posted as to how you are doing?
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yeah, my recruiter is really really cool...he's been coming over and helping me work on the Z a lot, which is sweeet!!! he didnt pressure me at all, which was also nice, but he thinks ill be great in the corps....ive just got to get out of all my bad habits, which i have no problem agreeing with. i cant wait for this summer!
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call me skeptical, but isn't it his job to be a really really cool guy? if he were a prick he probably wouldn't be a very good recruiter.
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yeah, but that dosent stop some from being pricks. i leave for basic tomorrow, and my recruiter was one of three that gave a damn about their soldiers. the rest didnt care.
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With todays military, retention is low as far as the Army and Marine goes. Compare to the Navy, were sending a lot of sailors back home since we are pretty manned.
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jeffp wrote:
> Sounds funny, TonyD and little buddy serving in the same
> service branch.
Tony D was in the Air Force. Having worked with enlisted from all the branches of the service, I have to say that I think the Air Force NCOs are on average the smartest of the services. After all, what other branch salutes the officers and watches them take off to go get killed?
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bubbleguinea wrote:
> so now maybe i can get a little respect??? hehe
Andrew, you don't get respect. You earn it.
During the time you've been a member of this board, many skilled and knowledgeable people have offered you advice on your car, yet many times you chose to blaze your own path with less than desireable results. With enlisting in the Marine Corps, you will encounter a lot of skilled and knowledgeable NCOs who will offer you advice on how to stay alive. I pray you listen to them a lot more closely than you have listened to this board's members.
Definitely enroll in the GI Bill program. That can be the best $1,200 you ever spend. It paid for a degree for me.
Give serious thought to the aviation mechanic career field. You can learn a lot that can translate to turning wrenches on your car, and there is a lower probability you'll be around IEDs and people pointing AK-47s and RPGs at you. Besides, every Marine is an infantryman. You'll still get to play in the muck every now and again.
First, concentrate on making it through basic training. Remember that millions of men and women have accomplished it. It's more mental than physical, no matter how sore your body gets.
Good luck, Andrew.
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Hey Andrew, Do you need someone to watch your car while your away? Possibly run a 13.50 with it? My 72 said he'd be glad to watch his little brother! I'm pretty new here, but I'm hoping the best for you in the corp. Take care of yourself and post when you can!
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I can't believe you joined the Corps with a 98 !!
Man, you could have goten ANY JOB you wanted in the AIR FORCE with that score!!
DEFINITELY keep your ASVAB score to yourself. Most of your unit will probably have scored 60 or lower and they'll just want to kick your azz!
Good Luck at "PARRISDISE ISLAND"!!......
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Post Edited (Aug 20, 9:45pm)
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That is right, I thought for some reason Tony was a marine, but you are correct it was the AirForce.
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I'm smiling very, VERY broadly now.
A teenager with a stuccessful business and money pouring in decides to join Uncle Sam's Misguided Children, and purportedly drop out of college...
Well, good luck to you sir.
You will need it.
Uh, BTW, did you actually READ your enlistment contract?
If this is true, I am smiling even broaderly now....
Watch "Heartbreak Ridge" with Clint Eastwood. My favorite line is "This is the AK47, the perferred weapon of your adversary, and it makes a distinctive sound when fired."
I hope you like running.
BTW, I joined the USAF after my young dumb a$$ didn't declare my college in time for eligibility for NROTC. I was a Marine NROTC Scholarship-Eligible High School Graduate. After scoring 288 on the PFT portion of the interview, it was pretty much a lock. But I didn't declare MSU in time, and by the time I settled on CMU (no NROTC there, though...), my eligibility for the first semester of USAF ROTC was already spent, though I was still a 3 1/2 year Eligible Canidate.
For the wont of $760 tuition, it was the difference in me enlisting or being commissioned. The USAF was my second choice. My first choice was USMC, Officer. All I wanted to be was a small unit frontline commander killing commies somewhere.
Ooooh-Raaah....
Oh, and BTW, you're not part of the Armed Forces yet. Up to 180 days, they can flush you for any reason they want, or change your MOS to suit what they currently have a need... You DID read that enlistment contract, right?
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It has been a while since I took the ASVAB but your OccField selection is/was determined by your GT score which I believe is maxed at 140.
I wouldn't be so cocky about your scores, whatever they may be, I just spent the last few years teaching out at the Comm/Elect schools and the kids that came in thinking they were the smartest and had the highest scores were many times the first ones we were dropping from the course. Re-classed by needs of the Marine Corps.
Recon huh, Hope you can swim...The Indoc for Recon is pretty damn hard.
Anyway, Good Luck, I have been a Marine for almost 18 years now...Semper Fi
Thanks for the laugh Tony, I haven't heard that acronym in a few years...
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"hybrid, why will it be interesting???"
Well, based on history, the outcome will be far different than the initial expectations. That's all.
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haha, good one hybrid--
i know i have a certain period to drop out---maybe i should clarify something...
i joined the marine reserve, not active duty----i dont know if i said that at the begginning. so anyways---
i wont talk about my scores i guess, i didnt know it was that big of a deal---
recon i know is going to be hard..ive heard you have to run the max of 13 miles at one point...ive got 8 months till boot camp, so in the mean time, im going to be working out.
im about to leave right now for my first class of second sememster of college, and after that, its off to the gym!
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dude... im gettin ready for the airforce!!
good stuff man...and goodjob on the asvab score! i need to take mine...hehe.
now... WHERE THE HELL ARE THE PICS OF YOUR CAR'S FRONT END?!?!?!?!
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bubbleguinea wrote:
> haha, good one hybrid--
>
> i know i have a certain period to drop out---maybe i should
> clarify something...
>
> i joined the marine reserve, not active duty----i dont know if
> i said that at the begginning. so anyways---
>
> i wont talk about my scores i guess, i didnt know it was that
> big of a deal---
>
> recon i know is going to be hard..ive heard you have to run the
> max of 13 miles at one point...ive got 8 months till boot camp,
> so in the mean time, im going to be working out.
>
> im about to leave right now for my first class of second
> sememster of college, and after that, its off to the gym!
>
Andrew, you didn't say reserves until this post. However, a LOT of reserve units are being activated for Iraq & Afghanistan, so the difference between active duty and reserves may not be that great. You may want to talk to people in the reserve unit about if/when they are going to deploy or have deployed. I've had a couple of friends get called back to active duty for the Army from the inactive ready reserve.
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Maybe I'm confused, but isn't that the whole point of reserves?
When you need more men, bring in the reserves.
Maybe I'm missing something...
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Yep... never a straight answer (which is a bit ironic for someone wanting to do and cannot spell reconnaissance).
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Finally, someone using the word "ironic" properly.
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The way Bubbles spelled reconnaissance, while incorrect, did make it more zcar related - reconNISSANce.
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"Join the Army if you fail"
Bob Dylan
MASTERS OF WAR
Words and Music by Bob Dylan
1963 Warner Bros. Inc
Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks
You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly
Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain
You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud
You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins
How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do
Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul
And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead
Sorry, I can't stand the concept of modern military.
Self Defense for sure but not what is going on in the world these days, especially in Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Afghanastan, Philippines, Myanmar... etc. Killing is all about politics and money.. Though shalt not kill... daddy-o?
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WITH GOD ON OUR SIDE
Words and Music by Bob Dylan
1964 Warner Bros. Inc
Oh my name it is nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I's taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that land that I live in
Has God on its side.
Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side.
Oh the Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
I's made to memorize
With guns in their hands
And God on their side.
Oh the First World War, boys
It closed out its fate
The reason for fighting
I never got straight
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead
When God's on your side.
When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.
I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war starts
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.
But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.
In a many dark hour
I've been thinkin' about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can't think for you
You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side.
So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as Hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war.
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LOL,
Good old Robert Zimmerman.
He also did Public Service Anouncements:
Bob Dylan PSA, National Lampoon 1/2 comedy Hour
"Hey, This is R. Zimmerman for the American Cancer society.
I used to smoke 20 packs of cigarettes a day.
Since I lost one of my lungs,
I've cut my smoking in half"
Yea,
There is a role model...
As soon as Zimmerman makes a song about the vicious, anti-woman, prejudice, intollerant, raping, mass murderng, invading dictatorship that was Iraq, he would have some credibility! At least Bubbles will DO something to stop such regimes...
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Amen, Blue.
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Blue,
WHERE were the protest songs damning the rape and pillage of the peaceful and unarmed Kuwait?
WHERE are the protest songs against sending people with bombs on their backs into peaceful public places to kill as many as possible in Israel?
WHERE are the protest songs against countries that sit on their hands while tens of thousands of fellow humans were being tortured and beheaded?
Protesters that ignore the real in favor of politics are twice blind.
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I have a friend who was raped by American soldiers in Chile in '73 when she was 10 years old... don't tell me about war... it is for psycho's and Neanderthals.... some of us have evolved and know better.
Signing up for any armed force is just plain stupid.
What if there was a war and no one came? Lennon
btw I enjoyed your questions but here are the ones you can't answer:
WHERE were the armed forces when terrorists were taking out people with sniper rifles from a car in DC?
WHERE were the armed forces when terrorists were taking out a building in Oklahoma using a car bomb?
WHERE were the armed forces when a terrorist was mailing letter bombs for 10 years?
WHERE were the armed forces when Saddam and Iran were gassing each other for 8 years?
WHERE were the armed forces when Pol Pot was exterminating nearly 1 million people?
Why isn't Osama behind bars by now?
Why is the US armed forces in Afghanistan when Russia had their a$$es kicked there?
Why does the US Govt support and praise and support the Dictator Pres of Pakistan who took power by a coupe and his cronies sell nuke technology to Iran, North Korea, Libya and elsewhere?
Democracy from a gun is insane
Bottom line is that armies can't stop crazy people, just gotta suck it up and accept the losses.
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Of course I can answer them.
These are all coverd in High School Government classes.
For those that slept through Government and U.S. History, here are the answers:
WHERE were the armed forces when terrorists were taking out people with sniper rifles from a car in DC?
Easy, That is not under the jurisdition of the U.S. Military
WHERE were the armed forces when terrorists were taking out a building in Oklahoma using a car bomb?
Easy, That is not under the jurisdition of the U.S. Military
WHERE were the armed forces when a terrorist was mailing letter bombs for 10 years?
Easy, That is not the jurisdition of the U.S. Military
WHERE were the armed forces when Saddam and Iran were gassing each other for 8 years?
The U.S. Military does not "self deploy"
WHERE were the armed forces when Pol Pot was exterminating nearly 1 million people?
The U.S. Military does not "self deploy"
Why isn't Osama behind bars by now?
LOL, because a millionaire having to live in a cave is a harsher punishment I suppose
Why is the US armed forces in Afghanistan when Russia had their a$$es kicked there?
Russia was stalemated there for 14 years but the U.S. forces took it in 2 months
Why does the US Govt support and praise and support the Dictator Pres of Pakistan who took power by a coupe and his cronies sell nuke technology to Iran, North Korea, Libya and elsewhere?
Which parts of the U.S. Government? Officially Musharraf is a constitutional president of a recognized nation so of course the U.S. "Officially" recognizes them.
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Dang it. I feel a thread is nearing deletion.
Blue wrote:
> I have a friend who was raped by American soldiers in Chile in
> '73 when she was 10 years old... don't tell me about war... it
> is for psycho's and Neanderthals.... some of us have evolved
> and know better.
>
> Signing up for any armed force is just plain stupid.
It is sad that your friend experienced such a horror. To use it as a blanket condemnation of all military people shows a lack of a capacity to have analytical thought. Is it just possible that people who throw around sweeping generalities are just plain stupid?
Going to war is horrible. Accepting oppression because one lacks the courage to stand up to it is not enlightenment, though.
> btw I enjoyed your questions but here are the ones you can't
> answer:
>
> WHERE were the armed forces when terrorists were taking out
> people with sniper rifles from a car in DC?
Current United States law defines that as a law enforcement action. If a domestic group gathered enough munitions and tried to overthrow the government of the United States, the President would then be authorized to use the military. More information can be found by searching for Posse Comitatus.
> WHERE were the armed forces when terrorists were taking out a
> building in Oklahoma using a car bomb?
Again, Posse Comitatus
> WHERE were the armed forces when a terrorist was mailing letter
> bombs for 10 years?
Again, Posse Comitatus (Is this starting to sound like a broken record?)
> WHERE were the armed forces when Saddam and Iran were gassing
> each other for 8 years?
The United States Navy was observing activities in the Persian Gulf, sometimes even engaging with hostile gunboats. I would not be surprised if the Air Force was also engaging in reconnaissance flights over the area. The Air Force was probably also launching reconnaissance satellites to observe the theater of war. Was there something you think they should have been doing?
> WHERE were the armed forces when Pol Pot was exterminating
> nearly 1 million people?
It is quite possible the people who pushed for peace and for the abandonment of Vietnam generated an atmosphere in which it would have prevented U.S. military intervention. Of course, the UN peacefully prevented all those deaths. Oops, my bad! They didn't.
> Why isn't Osama behind bars by now?
It appears as though his movements are severely restricted, and he does not have quite the operational influence he had in the past. He is living in an area where he has many sympathizers, so that does present challenges to his capture. Also, he has probably learned about the tactics used to eliminate many of his lieutenants and is trying hard not to be the next target.
> Why is the US armed forces in Afghanistan when Russia had their
> a$$es kicked there?
It is difficult to follow any sense of logic in your question. After all, we invaded France after the Germans kicked the French Army's butts.
> Why does the US Govt support and praise and support the
> Dictator Pres of Pakistan who took power by a [sic]coupe and his
> cronies sell nuke technology to Iran, North Korea, Libya and
> elsewhere?
That must have been some car if it allowed him to take over the whole country. (For a second, I was wondering how we could keep this car related.)
Perhaps in a simpleton's mind it's black and white. Countries are good or evil. People have friends. Countries have interests. (Sorry for the gross plaguarism without attribution.) Pakistan's position is useful for the United States for the time being. How long will that last? I have no idea. However, that is a geo-political concept that transcends military implementation. What's your point?
> Democracy from a gun is insane
You're right. France should restore its monarchy this instant! Okay, I'll move more toward the present. France, stop resisting the Kaiser. Hmm, France, don't resist Hitler. Stop the insanity, France! How do you propose to protect Canada's security, Blue? Do you doubt that it is bolstered by the military strength of your friendly neighbor to the south?
> Bottom line is that armies can't stop crazy people, just gotta
> suck it up and accept the losses.
I see the bottom line differently. It's sad that people will accept subjegation so readily because they have a mis-guided notion that they are better than the ones protecting them from that subjegation.
Blue, the bottom line is that I have a lot more respect for you when you stick to talking about cars.
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im in a marine program where school comes first. i am guarenteed not be be deplyoment untill i am done with school, thats in writing in my contract, so im not worried about it. when i get out of school, ill only have 4 more years to serve....
4 years from now i dont think we will be in the same situation we are in now...
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American soldiers in Chile in '73? We weren't occupying Chile in '73, maybe it was some of Augusto Pinochet's bubbas?
The freedoms Blue presently enjoys were won for him during a conflict of some sort about 200+ years ago. It's convenient for him to forget that "rights" and "entitlements" are really privileges provided by a group of individuals who put the idea of having those privileges turn into rights into reality by being willing to fight for them. Individuals like Blue needless to say are the ones who are most surprised when someone comes along and takes them away. Blue likely won't find himself in that situation since Canada has the US as a neighbor and what's good for the US usually is good for Canada and Canada has never unilaterally delivered the square root of squat to anyone since their inception. What's shameful is that even though Blue may not agree with the war or US foreign policy, he doesn't respect the idea of service to others and putting someone else's freedom above your own. A more mature individual realizes the military doesn't do anything politicians don't authorize and pay for.
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Thank God we had a strong military to defeat Hitler...huh Blue???
Nothing wrong with wars, just dumb politicians who get us into open ended conflicts with no clear direction, goals or exit plan.
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"I have a friend who was raped by American soldiers in Chile in '73 when she was 10 years old... don't tell me about war... "
So Blue knows all about the American soldiers from what a friend recalls? That is the textbook definition of prejudice, nothing more.
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Don't count on the terrorists backing down in 4 years. When you graduate they'll still be waiting there for you to recon their arses!
Here is an AP article just posted on the net.
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Corps can recall Marines to active duty
y LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 3 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The U.S. Marine Corps said Tuesday it has been authorized to recall thousands of Marines to active duty, primarily because of a shortage of volunteers for duty in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Up to 2,500 Marines will be brought back at any one time, but there is no cap on the total number of Marines who may be forced back into service in the coming years as the military battles the war on terror. The call-ups will begin in the next several months.
This is the first time the Marines have had to use the involuntary recall since the early days of the Iraq combat. The Army has ordered back about 14,000 soldiers since the start of the war.
Marine Col. Guy A. Stratton, head of the manpower mobilization section, estimated that there is a current shortfall of about 1,200 Marines needed to fill positions in upcoming unit deployments.
The call-up affects Marines in the Individual Ready Reserve, a segment of the reserves that consists mainly of those who left active duty but still have time remaining on their eight-year military obligation.
Generally, Marines enlist for four years, then serve the other four years either in the regular Reserves, where they are paid and train periodically, or they may elect to go into the IRR. Marines in the IRR are only obligated to report one day a year but can be involuntarily recalled to active duty.
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Likelihood is war won or not (a subjective entity in and of itself) the US will do everything it can to pull as many troops out before '08 so the Repubs can set up their nominee to have some measure of success. Handing the brunt of the responsibility of security over to the Iraqis won't liberate Iraq in the manner we would like if the government isn't strong and if reconstruction isn't well on the road to being complete.
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
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Realizing it is my choice and my choice alone to be a Reconnaissance Marine, I accept all challenges involved with this profession. Forever shall I strive to maintain the tremendous reputation of those who went before me.
Exceeding beyond the limitations set down by others shall be my goal. Sacrificing personal comforts and dedicating myself to the completion of the reconnaissance mission shall be my life. Physical fitness, mental attitude, and high ethics -- The title of Recon Marine is my honor.
Conquering all obstacles, both large and small, I shall never quit. To quit, to surrender, to give up is to fail. To be a Recon Marine is to surpass failure; To overcome, to adapt and to do whatever it takes to complete the mission.
On the battlefield, as in all areas of life, I shall stand tall above the competition. Through professional pride, integrity, and teamwork, I shall be the example for all Marines to emulate.
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A Recon Marine can speak without saying a word and achieve what others can only imagine.
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WWII certainly had justification (to stop Hitler's overtaking of Europe and killing of Jews) but it still took the US Govt over 2 years to formally get involved in directly stopping Hitler. (WWII started on Sept 1, 1939, France and UK (Canada) declared war on Germany on Sept 3. and US did not declare war on Germany until Dec 1941... they even protected POW's who escaped from Canada into the US and let them go back to Germany.
The thing about WWII that scares the hell out of me is how easily a "Govt." can hoodwink a nation, get a skape goat and lead it into hell... all this terrorist ranting and fear by the Bush maniacs is exactly the same sort of rhetoric and it scares the hell out of me. As Tony mentioned above, poor old Bubbles seems to have been conned by a "friend recruiter" (aka pusher) and has not read the fine print... he'll probably be in Iraq in a year hiding from car bombs and making no difference, mark my words.
The points I was making above in the questions to Hybrid is that terrorism is everywhere and you can't do much about it. It is pretty much like getting hit by lightning but less probable. This so called "war on terror" confuses the hell out of me. What side is terror on? When does terror surrender? How can you tell when terror has been defeated? It is Bull$hit propaganda and all the sheep are eating it up just like they did in the 30's with Hitler's BS. Getting smacked by a car is even more probable than getting killed by a terrorist... so why scare the hell out of everyone and create an unwinable war against terror? (money? power? distraction?) I gues next they will start shadow boxing.
Democracy from a gun in Iraq (remember it was first remove the WMD's from getting in the hands of terrorists external to Iraq as there were non in Iraq, then it was remove Saddam, then it was instill democracy) is insane. Going to an Islamic area and forcing western ideas makes as much sense as an Islamic nation coming to the West and forcing us to follow their ideas and political system... how would you like an Ayatollah in the Whitehouse? This is how they feel about the puppet so-called govt. in Iraq... take a look from the other sides' point of view and you will get it.
If the Bush gang believed in freedom then let other countries live freely and have what ever govt and rules they want. It is the UN's responsibility to ensure nations follow the rules they agree to.
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Best advice I can give is to get everthing in writing. Recruiters lie(shocking, I know). I would have a backup MOS in mind other than recon, Anglico or any of the other "fun" MOS's you think that you qualify for. As someone else mentioned learning a skill that is usefull in the civilian world would be a good thing. Joining as an officer would be wise as well. And modesty would be well advised at least until you've been in the fleet for a while.
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Blue, you're dumb as a post about geopolitical realities. You really can't do anything about terror, it's like lightening? That "do nothing" strategy has really worked out for us, hasn't it?
Let's see: Iranian Embassy hostage crisis in '79, 2 Beirut bombings in '85(which killed more than 240 Marines), Lockerbie Pan Am 103 downed in '88 (killing hundreds), first Trade Center bombing in '93, Khobar towers bombing in '96, Kenyan and Tanzania Embassies bombed in '98 (killing more than 200 Africans), USS Cole in 2000, then 9/11 killing 3,000.
See full timeline here: http://library.thinkquest.org/CR0212088/tertime.htm
Blue, until we slap the Islamofascists down, they'll keep trying to expand THIER intolerant religious dictates on YOU and US (Yes, they've tried in Canada and attacked countless other countries that won't toe the Islamofascist line despite those countries NEVER having threatened them). They did it in the 11th century and they'll do it again. Go back and ACTUALLY STUDY REAL HISTORY, not second hand bogus info from "a friend" about how terrible the US is in Peru.
Let's go back to Z cars and nissans, this thread has gotten blunt stupid.
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Oh, and bubbles: I think the military will do you in particular a WORLD of good. It did me. I was a 91A (medic) in the reserves for 6 years. Cocky know-it-all white dudes get a real comeupance in the military and I needed it. You'll figure it out after a while.
Good luck and when you're deep in the crap part of basic, remember that it's all in the mind.
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"remember it was first remove the WMD's "
OK Blue, I'll forgive your lack of knowledge of U.S. laws and rules surrounding U.S. military deployments, BUT I won't forgive your re-writing of current history. For 12 years Iraq broke the cease fire, refused internationally required inspections and ignored U.N. Resolutions even under increased world embargo's. The U.S. was the one that always followed international laws and proceedures as they entered Iraq.
WMD's were NOT the reason for the war, Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was the reason for the war and their unwillingness to follow the international cease fire, international inspections and international pressure through embargos were primary. If Iraq just followed the international laws of the surrender, there would have been NO SECOND WAR.
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Blue wrote:
> WWII certainly had justification (to stop Hitler's overtaking
> of Europe and killing of Jews) but it still took the US Govt
> over 2 years to formally get involved in directly stopping
> Hitler. (WWII started on Sept 1, 1939, France and UK (Canada)
> declared war on Germany on Sept 3. and US did not declare war
> on Germany until Dec 1941... they even protected POW's who
> escaped from Canada into the US and let them go back to
> Germany.
I'm not sure the US would have the legal authority to detain the POWs before the country declared war. Are you suggesting it's just a technicality?
Of course, Canada jumped in immediately when Japan invaded China in 1931...
> The thing about WWII that scares the hell out of me is how
> easily a "Govt." can hoodwink a nation, get a skape goat and
> lead it into hell... all this terrorist ranting and fear by the
> Bush maniacs is exactly the same sort of rhetoric and it scares
> the hell out of me. As Tony mentioned above, poor old Bubbles
> seems to have been conned by a "friend recruiter" (aka pusher)
> and has not read the fine print... he'll probably be in Iraq in
> a year hiding from car bombs and making no difference, mark my
> words.
Are you getting enough sleep? You are rambling. Of course, rambling is more difficult to refute.
However, you have a point. Look at how the Bush administration has rounded up people and moved them into death camps. Wait, that hasn't happened.
Okay, let's consider all of the major newspapers that have been subjugated into printing only favorable stories about the administration. Hmm, that doesn't seem to be happening, either.
Of course, the Bush administration did start all of this stuff by asserting Osama bin Laden's responsibility for attacks against US embassies in 1998 and against a US warship in 2000. Why, he even used the embassy attacks as an excuse to launch an attack against Afghanistan. Dang it. I messed up again. Bill Clinton was the President when all of that happened. Wait! Maybe Clinton was just a puppet of the Bush team. Blue, you may be on to something.
As for what the recruiter did or did not say to Andrew, what does that have to do with anything about the Bush administration? If the recruiter came on active duty between Jan 20, 1993, and Jan 19, 2001, he would have come on board when Clinton was in office. Oh yeah, I forgot about discovering the "Clinton was a Bush puppet" conspiracy.
> The points I was making above in the questions to Hybrid is
> that terrorism is everywhere and you can't do much about it. It
> is pretty much like getting hit by lightning but less probable.
> This so called "war on terror" confuses the hell out of me.
> What side is terror on? When does terror surrender? How can
> you tell when terror has been defeated? It is Bull$hit
> propaganda and all the sheep are eating it up just like they
> did in the 30's with Hitler's BS. Getting smacked by a car is
> even more probable than getting killed by a terrorist... so why
> scare the hell out of everyone and create an unwinable war
> against terror? (money? power? distraction?) I gues next they
> will start shadow boxing.
That's right, Blue. After all, the British battles against the IRA was just a bunch of BS to keep the Prime Minister in power. Help me out and tell me which Prime Minister that was. Of course, the British have capitulated to the IRA...Oops, they haven't.
I've got it. The Israelis stopped fighting the Palestinian terrorists and gave them Gaza. The terrorists stopped attacking Israel, and everybody is at peace in that area. Nope, missed again. Blue, do you pay protection money to some thugs living in your neighborhood?
Given that Osama bin Laden has said that he wants to cripple America economically while at the same time he creates a fundamentalist Islamic Westerner-hating Utopia in the Middle East, are you proposing that America should sit back and wait for all that to transpire? On one hand you say America waited too long. Now you're saying that America should wait. Sorry, I prefer taking the fight to them as opposed to waiting for the fight to come to me. I like the thought of the US attempting overt and covert (like cutting off funding) acts to stem the tide of terrorism.
> Democracy from a gun in Iraq (remember it was first remove the
> WMD's from getting in the hands of terrorists external to Iraq
> as there were non in Iraq, then it was remove Saddam, then it
> was instill democracy) is insane. Going to an Islamic area and
> forcing western ideas makes as much sense as an Islamic nation
> coming to the West and forcing us to follow their ideas and
> political system... how would you like an Ayatollah in the
> Whitehouse? This is how they feel about the puppet so-called
> govt. in Iraq... take a look from the other sides' point of
> view and you will get it.
>
> If the Bush gang believed in freedom then let other countries
> live freely and have what ever govt and rules they want. It is
> the UN's responsibility to ensure nations follow the rules they
> agree to.
Oh my gosh, Blue. You are so right. The West is facing a fanatical bunch of people willing to die, willing to use women and children against US soldiers, an enemy so willing to attack that they commit suicide to fly planes into targets. A people like that could never accept Western democracy. They would consider any democracy set up by the US to be a puppet sham. It was a mistake for the US to go to war against Japan, and General MacArthur has something funny in his pipe if he thinks that Japan would EVER accept a Western form of government.
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