A&Q about 350Z
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Though some of you might be interested in this...
http://www.prestigemotorsport.com.au/modules/news/article.php?storyid=21
I personally think it looks a bit ugly, and a total Corvette rip off rear end. I'm not sure if it will be released looking exactly like that though, interesting none the less...
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I think it looks pretty cool. But at $81K USD it's a bit much. The viper is that much and has 500 HP, the Vette is only 65K and has 505. If it's going to compete with the cars we already have, it better come down in price. Is this one going to be AWD as well? Even if it is, it still won't justify the price. Nice looking car though. I'd be willing to pay 40-45k for it.
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i want it, but at that price i'd rather just put a twin turbo in my z.
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Great, yet another overwrought, overpriced, overweight mega-car :rolleyes:
Why don't they just build us a new 240SX? They'd sell TONS of 'em.
The number of sub-2800 lb, sub-$30k, rwd, irs, coupes in the U.S. market? ZERO. There is a HUGE market here, how come nobody's tapping into it?!
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because 240sx's aren't very pretty.
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i like it, but like everyone said 81K is a lot. Id pay up to about 55K for it. Anything more than that and i would just buy an M3
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Looks a lot nicer than the prototype I. I'm sure it will be an amazing car, but now out of my price range.
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Looks pretty good, but it's fake.
Some of the pictures make it look they were taken at a car show, if that car has beeen at a car show we would have known about it. Type gt-r proto in google images, if you look at the pictures you can clearly see it's a photoshop.
Second it's not going to be a Skyline and it's definatly not going to have it written in huge chrome letters across the back of the car.
Nissan hasnt released any new information about it, untill it's in an official press release or website I'm not going to believe anything I read about it. The last bit of information was about it being sold as a Nissan GT-R here in the states.
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It was debuted at the Tokyo Motor Show. Since it was there I could see it being in other shows, though the change in the taillights and badging is questionable.
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"because 240sx's aren't very pretty."
Neither is this thing.
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reminds me of the new eclipse
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I don't see anything wrong with it, looks mean... but agreed with the too much cash. Too many other options for that amount
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enough of this car!! it sucks
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should start around 45K with 450 hp
and I would buy it
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While you're at it, throw in free maintenance for the life of the car, free gas, free insurance, free driving lessons to learn how to utilize 450 hp, and a free house with enough garage space to hold your gaggle of cars so none have to be parked outside.
If you're going to expect someone to build a $45,000 car with 450 hp, why not go for broke?
Post Edited (Jun 4, 6:27pm)
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Thats WAY overpriced. Its not going to sell, probably be a collectors item someday. And, its kinda ugly.
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Looks like 350z with body kit
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anyone know how much it weighs?
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'05 350Z Chrome Silver Touring
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Those are more than likely fake but I loved how they played out the front. It looks more like the R34 front evolved. For all those people saying this car is ugly have you even frigging seen a Skyline GT-R in person or Just on "turbo magazines" because something tell me if you did you sure as hell would say "that ugly".
I only hope that the future GT-R tops out in price at $70K but Dont expect it to sell for a ridiculous price of $45k because the R33 GT-R sold for $50K in Japan. If you cant it afford cry yourself a river and just envy the guy who has one.
In fact it is such a shame Nissan is bringing the car to the US Market where people are so prone to b!tch and complain! Good luck to them.
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It's not fake...
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The car in the picture they moddifed isnt fake if that counts, which was the GT-R proto. Those magazines are the car equivlant to tabloids.
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Yeah what would a Japanese motoring magazine know right? :P
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ya, it's not fake. it's been in car and driver and automobile magazine.
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'73 240Z
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rx-8 combined with a chevy cobalt s/s and an rsx
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Ugly, ricey, expensive and no "soul".
I guess there are some people that will like it enough to drop 80 grand for it but not me.
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This car will attract the likes of 350Z owners etc...
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or this
you'd be all over it, right, 85zx?
Ahhh, to live in the 80s again. Who needs 20 years of design and engineering evolution, anyway?
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Not me. Lighter weight can easily trump "design and engineering evolution" at the track.
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"Who needs 20 years of design and engineering evolution"
I don't.
Driving from point A to point B does not require 500hp or a laser active suspension. Wrapping all that evolution in an ugly package is doubly dumb.
My $600 260Z gets me where I need to go every day AND gets more notice than 99% of the new cars on the street. Sorry, but the evolution to twin turbo with 10 cupholders is not enough to make me drop 80 grand.
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and this thread is just plowing old ground.
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All ground is old my friend.
Actually, it's more like this:
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Lots of marketing experience here I can see..
There is N-O point in comparing value with the corvette. It's exterior is made of plastic and it rattles after you go over the 1st speed bump in the new car lot. I have great respect for the cars, but 500hp and 3200lbs isn't all that makes a car what it is.
Sure, Nissan should make a car with the same perforamance figures and price as a vette, just like BMW, benz, audi, etc.
Wait.. a 500hp benz costs over ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, a 500hp BMW costs almost ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, etc. and they all weight 4,000++++++ lbs!
GMC HAS to make the vette the best performance value on the market, otherwise NO ONE would buy it.
If the car looks as good in person as the pics, even though the rear end looks EXACTLY like a cobalt to me, 70-75k price tag is reasonable, 80k for the 1st year is resonable as well.
People pay 60k for R34's right now, and they have 320bhp, 35k for 10 year old supras with 320hp. It's about POTENTIAL as well as stock power. A 500$ ecu mod will probably bring this car to over 500/500.
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Post Edited (Jun 5, 10:25am)
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"If you're going to expect someone to build a $45,000 car with 450 hp, why not go for broke?"
Going on your '$10,000 per 100hp' statement, why NOT expect it? Subaru and Mitsubishi can do it (~$30,000 for their 300hp rally cars...that are also AWD).
I'd pay $45,000 for a very late model R-34 GTR, but not this. This is not a Skyline GT-R. This is a gimmick, milking of the sacred GT-R name. :thumbsdown:
If for no other reason, they ruined it by removing the venerable RB26DETT for the VQ35. I-6 > V6
God must love stupid people, he made SOOOOO many of them!
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Did not like it at first but it has grown on me. Can't afford it, therefore will not buy it.
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I'm no engineer, nor am I a price point expert, but I'd imagine the cost to develop a marketable 450 hp engined vehicle would equate to more than an extra $100 per hp above 300 hp.
Shoot, the Z06 everyone loves to hate around here MSRPs at $66,000 and it's a piece of crap according to you guys. Imagine how much more crappier it would have had to have been if Chevy had decided to throw it out the door at $45k (well, $50k according to the $100/hp formula from zolorin.)
Post Edited (Jun 5, 8:00pm)
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I'm sorry, but a lot of this is quite funny. Almost every slam against the car is fantasy. Aside from impressions of the looks, which are completely subjective and not quantifiable, evrything else is bench racing. And bad bench racing at that. All I have heard is that it is overpriced, heavy, and slow. Let's go over the overpriced bit. We are talking about a supercar here. At $70k-$80k it is an absolute bargain. It will be priced right around the Z06 level. Any car that, out of the box, can compete with a Viper, Porsche 911 turbo, or Ferrari and still cost less than $90k is doing well. Now, the weight issue. The current Z06, which most people here seem to love, weighs in at almost 3200 pounds. I don't see anyone calling it fat. The R33 was considered the "fattest" of the last GT-R's. Is anyone here aware that it was the first production street car to lap Nurbergring in less than 8 minutes? And I'm pretty sure that there were plenty of "lightweight" cars that had been run there before. Fact is that the "high tech gadgetry" that is being maligned here is actually quite effective. The new GT-R will be a world class car. We are talking about Nissans flagship here. It was never meant to be "affordable", or within reach of the masses. It is an exotic. When it is finally released, few cars will be on par with it out of the showroom. Lastly, I find it odd the way people are ready to slander the handling of the GT-R, past and future, when I'll bet most have never seen or driven one in person. The car is amazing. I swear it can read minds. You simply think of where you want to go and it is there. And I'm just talking about the R32 here. Remember, the car was banned from most racing bodies for a reason.
Brian
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My friend has a 4WD R32 turbo JDM import with not alot of mods and it hauls ass! But in reality it's a very impractical car for the road because as soon as it's shifted into 2nd you're way speeding lol Skylines are extremely common here in Australia though, and I mean extremely. You'll see 3 or more a day without fail just driving around the city and they lose their value very fast.
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Dont you think if that were real it would be all over the automotive news, on every website, and in every magazine? Yet its all based on some pictures of pictures in a magazine. There is no solid information, and not a word from Nissan.
You dont think it's odd Nissan totally changed the look of the GT-R, let one single magazine take pictures of it then not say a word about it?
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Lots of things happen in Japan without the international community knowing about it, nothing new there...
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first post said it stole the styling of corvette lights ummm no gt r had that since the 70's and its one of the flagships of the car.... yes corvettes had them before but almost every car has round lights ! and i agree with what a couple of people have said about the gt-r most of you are knocking down and havent ever ever seen a skyline yet a gt R. another thing this car wasnt made just like the z a sports car with a good price this is indeed is a supercar.! my 2 coppers
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"All I have heard is that it is overpriced, heavy, and slow"
I never said it was slow!
"Let's go over the overpriced bit. We are talking about a supercar here."
That's my whole problem with it. I don't want or need a SUPERcar. Instead of making a penis extender for people with more money than brains, I wish they would make a MINIMALIST sports car/sports coupe. The whole "ubercar" mentality is pretty retarded. Most of the people in my time-trialing club who bring a supercar to the track either end up not doing more than one or two events (after finding themselves getting passed repeatedly by much "slower" cars), or end up getting a Miata for track days anyway. So what's the POINT?!
"The current Z06, which most people here seem to love, weighs in at almost 3200 pounds. I don't see anyone calling it fat."
OK, I'll call it fat. Funny thing is, it used to be the laughingstock of all sportscardom because of (among other things) its excessive weight. Now that all the European and Japanese sports cars are as heavy or heavier, somehow weight is no big deal anymore?! B.S. Weight *is* important for a track-worthy performance car. I've run PLENTY of supercars that put down far superior 1-dimensional numbers than mine. Getting around a track quickly is a lot different from maximizing 0-60, 1/4 mile, skidpad, slalom, and braking performance individually.
"The R33 was considered the "fattest" of the last GT-R's. Is anyone here aware that it was the first production street car to lap Nurbergring in less than 8 minutes?"
I'll still give it a run around NHIS chicane/chicane.
FWIW, the street car lap record around the 'ring is now held by a ~1250 lb. Radical SR8. Closer to 7 minutes than 8:P
Anyway, speculation is that the R33 that broke 8-minutes was NOT by any stretch "stock".
BUT, my larger point is, I'd rather go fast with LESS, than go fast with MORE. I do appreciate technological advancement. But to me, advancement means doing MORE with LESS, not doing MORE with MUCH MORE!
I really would prefer a 2400 lb., 240hp, ~$30,000 rwd car to this superior power/weight, 450hp/3500 lb. (a guess) GT-R supercar, EVEN if cost were no object, and EVEN IF the smaller lighter-weight car were slower around the track.
But that's just me...
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Since this car has the same operating limitations as a Kia Spectra on the street, it hardly worth dropping 80 grand on a car that carries around all that unused potential.
Now if I lived on a closed track or had a lot of private roads I coud use, I "might" want the car to go beyond 30-70mph and beyond the driving with traffic that is REQUIRED.
To me it'd be a hell of a frustration driving that kind of car on the street and having to follow a VW at 30mph on the drive to work. What's the point?
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"That's my whole problem with it. I don't want or need a SUPERcar."
You may not. So simply don't buy one then. There are plenty of cars I personally don't want. Does that mean they should not be produced at all? No, they just appeal to different people.
"I'll still give it a run around NHIS chicane/chicane.
FWIW, the street car lap record around the 'ring is now held by a ~1250 lb. Radical SR8. Closer to 7 minutes than 8:P
Anyway, speculation is that the R33 that broke 8-minutes was NOT by any stretch "stock"."
First off, I'm pretty sure that is not a full production car. Secondly, we are talking about over 10 years ago. The R33 did it in 1995. And I'm sorry, but the R33 was a full production car. Speculating it was not was just a sore loser mentality. If you can't actually beat the car, then just claim someone cheated. No proof. And as for you giving it a run, let's do it. I personally invite you down to Phoenix. I've heard you say time and again how you can beat a GT-R.
Let's find out. Otherwise, everything is pure speculation. No different that the kid with a Civic who claims he beat a Viper. Bad bench racing.
Brian
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Having 4WD is the key, wicked traction those things with 4WD engaged...
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73n03Zs wrote:
"If you're going to expect someone to build a $45,000 car with 450 hp, why not go for broke?"
Dodge already builds a a 425 HP Charger SRT8 for $39,000
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I think we all need to stop guessing about the weight. It's like guessing what color primer they used before they painted it. Nobody has any way of knowing.
I think it's pretty obvious from the concept pictures that at least the front fascia is carbon fiber, so perhaps it's not as piggish as everyone thinks it will be.
So Hybrid, all those times I passed Kia Spectras on freeway ramps were because the Spectra drivers were holding back? All the times I've been tailing them through a series of tight turns they slow down for resulted from their fright at the majestic cornering capability of their Kia? I wonder what sort of braking technology they use in Korea that they can get the same emergency braking performance out of those tiny little brake rotors and tires that you can from a much more expensive car with bigger tires and rotors.
If you don't like it, you aren't tacitly expected to purchase it, and you're entitled to your opinion. But to claim you can't do anything more on a public road with a LOT of cars than a Kia spectra can is a bit far-fetched. I mean, you don't see cops handing out tickets if you reach 60 MPH before 9 seconds, do you? That's in excess of the Spectra's capabilities. Or an officer citing a driver for stopping too quickly to avoid an accident.
I'm not saying you CAN push that car's limits on a public road legally, that's a separate argument entirely.
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the car sucks....it looks stupid
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They were saying it is coming to the US in a detuned form. Smaller engine, no HICAS, and no stability control. And all those supposed 'ripoffs' are exactly opposite. Those stylings were on the Skyline first. The US automakers ripped them off the asian market.
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Score two for you.
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You dont remember the years of speculation and fake Zs before the 350Z came out? All the rumors came from magazines like that and some websites, it's the same thing here.
Nobody ever seems to remember all the fake cars when the real one shows up.
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I'll take a 2009 Camaro Z28 SS with the 500 HP ZO6 motor please!!
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That wouldnt suprise me if it did come detuned to the states, the same thing happend with the Z31. Rated 30HP higher here in Australia than the USDM version...
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with 500 hp at $47,000 MSRP.
Two points for me, too.
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Hey you can call that one a three pointer. haha
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Nismo73:
"And I'm sorry, but the R33 was a full production car. Speculating it was not was just a sore loser mentality."
Hardly. I don't have any need for the R33 to be slower than 8 minutes around the 'ring. Just did a quick search to confirm and came up with this from a GT-R forum:
>There is also much speculation about the state of tune of the GT-R. It definately was not a stock car.
Maybe it was stock, I don't know. If it was, GREAT!
"I've heard you say time and again how you can beat a GT-R."
No you have NOT! Look again^
I said: I'll still give it a run around NHIS chicane/chicane.
And in a previous thread I said the same thing.
IOW I'm not saying I know for sure I'd beat it, but that I'd be more than happy to give it a shot. I'd bet a six-pack, probably not more than that.
I don't get down to Phoenix much, and I'm sure you don' t make it up here very often either. I'll let you know if/when I have the Z down there, you do likewise if you ever happen to be in the northeast, alrighty?!