A&Q about 350Z
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All of you riders out there please remember to wear your helmets.. One of my best friends was killed saturday in a bike accident. Mark G was an angel and i will miss him dearly. Truly one of the best people anyone one could ever know. He had a heart of Gold. 22 years old. Please keep his friends and family in your prayers. Mark G i love you like a brother and i will see you again some day. Rest in peace
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Some people still are not wearing helmets?
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To wear a helmet or to not wear a helmet is one of the hottest debates there is.
Sorry to hear we lost a brother....he's riding the sky now. Happy trails Bro
Ken
'82ZX n/a 2+2
'02 Sportster XL1200C
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Good advise! my friend who lives across the street from me went down on his bike last Saturday, he was forced off the road
and hit a guard rail. The accident was less then 2 miles from his house, you know what they say, accidents usually happen close
to home.. I drove by the accident scene in my Z but I had no idea at the time that it was my friend and neighbor whom I have
known for approx. 30 years. He was air lifted to the hospital with severe injuries to the right side of his body, he may loose his
right leg, has broken arms, severe road rash, and a badly smashed hand with broken fingers... I feel horrible about this. I will
be mowing his lawn for the remainder of the summer and will do whatever needs to be done to help he and his wife through this
crisis. If he was not wearing his helmet he would be dead now, so wear your helmet! and buckle up while in your car.
"YES I will finish what I sta"
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1977 280Z blue 2+2,
1973 240z
1977 280Z coupe in restoration progress
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It just blows my mind to see people not wearing helmets. I can understand wanting to feel the wind in your hair, but to increase the likelyhood of death is not worth it to me. There are too many idiots in cars who have enough trouble seeing other people in cars much less motorcyles. Wheather the helmet really helps save lives is the be debate, but why not wear it just in case...
1972 240Z 4-speed, header, 3.54 R200, Crane XR-3000 Ignition, 280Z tach, Tokico Blue Struts, Suspension Tech Springs, Poly Bushings. Visit me at my website for your custom EFI & restored Datsun parts
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i hate to be a dick, but if he wasnt wearing a helmet, he kind of deserves what he got. Common sense tells you to wear protective clothing/gear when riding. Well at least my common sense tells me that. I dont understand why ANYONE would want to ride without wearing a helmet, gloves or a leather jacket. My friend went down going 30 and he had road rash on his knees and his stomach (jacket came up when he fell off the bike.)
everyone should always wear the proper gear. And i dont feel sorry for anyone who doesnt.
-John
Absolute Z Club
L.A./Orange Counties
73 240, PnP E88, webers, coil-overs, 17's, "Bolt-In Power Steering", train horns; you know, the norm... "Yea its green, but the chicks love it"
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Wear helmets and please wear leathers -- jacket and pants and gloves
I got lucky twice -- one time I just had a regular bomber leather jacket (gloves and helmet) and T-boned a honda civic -- left with the "rug" burn on my arm because the jacket slid down, gloves were trashed and my hands did not have a scratch. Second time I had proper jacket, new gloves, and helmet which did saved my life and this guy decided to run a stop sign and I tried to stop/evade from 35mph. I flew over the length of the intersection (50 ft or so) and impacted on my knee cap and shoulder. Shoulder was fully protected by did hurt a bit next day but I was limping for the next month.
Now I wear pants, jacket, gloves, helmet and I hope that I will never need them and I always wonder why some people just wear helmet and ride in short sleeved Tshirt and shorts.
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Being stupid enough to not wear a helmet does NOT mean he DESERVED to die.
Otherwise I agree.
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theirs still some states that does NOT require you to wear a helmet.
im also thinking about getting a bike but reading things like this is the reason theirs not one sitting in my garage yet.
very very sorry to hear this about your friend
oh ya.. and for 73GreeNMachine.. your an idiot. a helmet on a bike is Not going to save you from anything. hell.. ive even seen a girl at pismo who had a full face on riding in the sand dunes wipe out and half the helmet was just gone. RIP
Mate, do you mind if i ask how he got into an accident? im thinking someone cut him off. that happens sooo much over here.
-1988 300zxt Shiro SS edition, 120,000 miles
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Everyone DESERVES the consequenses of their actions.
People that don't wear protective gear on a bike DESERVE to suffer the consequenses of not wearing it if they have an accident. That's all.
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you guys are f*ckin assholes i swear to god.
heres another story...
my moms friend came up on an accident a while back. a car crossed double yellow lines to pass a car on a hill. a guy on a bike was going up the hill. the car hit the bike head on. my moms friend was right behind the bike. he goes to pull the biker that was stuck under the car, stands up, and see's his head on the side of the road with the helmet still attached.
are telling me he deserved that?
a helmet means nothing.
-1988 300zxt Shiro SS edition, 120,000 miles
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As a rider I can tell you that yes the protective gear will save you from a lot of hurt and injury, but at the same time, you take a risk just getting on the bike. Personally, if I were the neighbor above, I wouldn't want to have survived that accident. There's risks we all take in life and no matter how safe you try to be, your time will come. You only live once. Enjoy it and try to stay out of the way of the rest of the morons on the road. If it happens, then I guess that's how it was suppose to be. SC doesn't have a helmet law and when I go down to Myrtle beach I don't wear one, but that's my personal choise. Don't bash someone who died because they made that choice. You don't have to think highly of them or think of them at all. Just don't be an a$$ for those will miss them.
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77 280Z - TEC3 Engine Management, Coil Packs, 3.1 Stroker, 550CC injectors, tripple throttle body FI intake, MSA Stage II Cam, etc...etc...
79 Fairlady - Rusty
81 280ZX - DD
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Yes, you can expect to SUFFER the consequences of your actions, but hardly ever do you DESERVE them...
The so called LOGIC used on this site never ceases to amaze me! But, I guess I DESERVE it for expecting anything more than rampant, heartless stupidity. Need a "mental helmet" if your gonna ride this site for any length of time.
My sympathies and sorry for the loss of your friend. I am sorry he, his friends and his family had to SUFFER the consequences of his momentary lack of reasoning. Nobody deserves to die because of it.
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why does it blow someones mind seeing a non helmeted rider? I rode a bike (a very fast bike at that) for 25 years with no helmet and did just fine (even had 2 accidents). I sold my bike when after helmet law was passed and havnt ridden since, but still think its the riders choice to wear one or not. there are states that still dont require a helmet and 1000's of riders do just fine with out them (and some do not obviously).
My son has a 06 Yamaha YZR R1 and he DOES wear a helmet of course because of the law. He chose a very expensive Shoei helmet, a leather jacket with titanium back inserts, and the whole shebang (he works at cycle gear so gets great prices on anything he wants). he needs all that stuff as hes doing wheelies at 120 mph on the freeways (it actually looks pretty awesome riding a wheelie for 1/4 mile at 120 mph practically straight up). He hasnt dumped yet, but its just a matter of time im sure.
Post Edited (Jun 1, 1:33pm)
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"Everyone DESERVES the consequenses of their actions."
Hardly ever. People get better results than they deserve, and people get worse results than they deserve. Almost NEVER do you get exactly what you truly deserve in THIS world.
I wear a helmet, but I don't think that everyone who DOESN'T, deserves to DIE. I wish them all the best of luck and truly hope that they are never in an accident.
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I agree, should be the rider's choice. Still, for less than $400, this should make ANY sport rider want to wear a helmet.
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Yes, you deserve the consequense of not wearing saftey gear IF you have an accident and are not wearing it. If you don't wear a seatbelt and have an accident, you deserve the consequnses of flying through the windshield. If you smoke cigarettes then you deserve dirty lungs. It's not that hard to follow.
No one is saying that he deserved to die, we are AGREEING with Mate that EVERYONE needs to wear your safety gear when riding.
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i hate to be a dick, but if he wasnt wearing a helmet, he kind of deserves what he got.
there are more idiotic statements written here than anywhere i have ever seen. no one deserves to die from an accident....ever....what a bunch of ****in morons.
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I'm deeply sorry your friend died at such a young age. I'm within a year of him and I know my family would not be in great condition at my disposal.
State law shouldn't dictate what gear you personally decide to wear. There is N O reason not to wear a helmet. It isn't hotly debated what-so-ever. The only time a helmet can be a negative instrument is if it causes you to break your neck during an accident. --NEWSFLASH-- if you hit something hard enough to break your neck your head would have been CRUSHED w/o the helmet. End of story.
Now if you are talking about 'individual rights' to choose to wear a helmet, I suppose that may be debated, but not by sportbikers. It AMAZES me everytime I hear people say how safe 'cruisers' and 'harleys' are and how wreckless and dangerous sporbikers are. Who do you see wearing helmets at all? What about leathers that actually DO SOMETHING? Chaps? Give me a ****ing break! The only reason is due to statistics younger people ride sportbikes, just like younger people die more in car crashes.
Anyhow, I won't go into that.
I don't say someone who died not wearing a helmet DESERVES it, but they were inarguably ASKING for it. That's my personal opinion and I've road bikes just about everyday for the last 5 years.
Frankly, if you aren't wearing ankle protecting boots, proper gloves, good non crashed-on helmet, at least jeans [honestly it should be leathers], and a leather jacket. YOU are asking for it when you ride. I'll not that by those standards, I'm asking for it about 50% of the time because riding with my leathers on in stop and go traffic takes the job out of riding for me.
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Isn't it kind of pointless debating whether someone deserves death as though there are some people who would live forever? 'Wow, that f---er's 100 years old, he deserves to die!'. People always die, whether they 'deserve' it or not.
The concept of desert is a bit ambiguous anyway. Eventually you have to commit to some sort of arbitrarily defined absolutism in order to say whether or not someone deserves something.
Sorry about your buddy.
'74 260z---NA L28 MSnS-E w/ Innovate Wideband
Already sparking, soon to be squirting.
Cogito, ergo dolorum.
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Do people killed from head injuries in automobile accidents "deserve" to die for not wearing a helmet?
Some people always have to justify the misfortunes of others, to suggest to themselves that they DESERVED it, in order to rationalize that bad things can't happen to THEM.
Agree it is a pointless debate, but I swear some people just LOVE to hear about the misfortunes of others and think to themselves how they had it coming, and how it could NEVER happen to them.
Don't fool yourself, security/safety is an ILLUSION.
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The post was telling everyone to "wear your helmets" .
WHY?
Well, we pretty much covered that....
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people who:kill for no reason, rape women, beat their wifes, kill their kids, rape little girls, deserve to die
a person who doesnt wear a helmet does Not deserve to die. case closed
-1988 300zxt Shiro SS edition, 120,000 miles
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So don't wear a helmet?
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"The post was telling everyone to "wear your helmets" .
WHY?"
To increase your chances of avoiding serious injury or death in the event of an accident.
"So don't wear a helmet?"
I don't see anyone suggesting that!
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its the same as telling everyone to wear your seat belts. odds are you wont ever need them, but when you do need them you really do need them.
i do wear seat belts all the time, but if i had a bike again in a state that didnt require a helmet i sure wouldnt wear one. stupid??? hell no, the odds of me needing a helmet are greater than getting hit by lightning.
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I rather doubt those statistics. It may be that for the AVERAGE person, the odds of getting hit by lightning should be greater than being in a motorcycle accident where a helmet would've made a difference. The AVERAGE person doesn't ride! I don't believe that would be true looking only at MOTORCYCLISTS.
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The deserve argument again? Makes me sick. Sorry about your friend. I hope that those who say DESERVE get some perspective in life. How do d1cks like that make it?
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Only motorcyclists know the true risks of riding motorcycles. We all accept the large risk of death just like race car drivers and other thrill seekers. My heart goes out to your friend not because he was a motorcyclist but because he was a decent human being.
I guess Hybrid77Z is in a position to call the death of anybody he chooses. Nobody deserves to die. Death is just a fact of life and it just happens.
Each time we wake up in the morning we risk our lives. Just because somebody doesn't wear a helmet does not mean you can inappropriately call on the death of that person. People should be free to take any risk they please as long as it doesn't harm those around them. If they die then they die. I can't express how disgusting it is to hear somebody say that anybody DESERVES to die.
1971 240Z
"Fear is exciting for me." -Ayrton Senna
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Not me, Mate was the one that said wear a helmet after the death of a friend. I'm agreing with him. Wear a helmet or..... risk severe injury or death. Risk is everywhere. That does not mean that you give into it and refuse to do anything to LESSEN the risk.
If you choose to take risks AND REFUSE TO TAKE PRECAUTIONS, then a lot of the outcome is square on your shoulders. The same with AIDS or riding a motorcycle. If you refuse to use protection, you can die horribly. That's the way it works in the real world.
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Ultimately, whether or not you don a helmet is your own personal choice (at least in Ohio), and should be. If you CHOOSE not to wear protective gear, you don't deserve to be in pain or die, but should expect it, and not whine about it when/if it happens.
Most of the guys I know who ride, don't wear helmets because it isn't very cool to do so on their Harleys. For some reason, the hardcore Hog riders have a different view on life and death than most people, including sportbike riders. Generally Harley riders tend to ride safer than the sportbike crowd, but bring it back to even when they refuse the protective gear that the crotchrocket guys waer proudly.
I might be getting a Honda 450 Enduro ON/OFF road bike to crash around on, and maybe ride to work occasionally. I will wear a new helmet with at least a bomber jacket to protect the important parts, but can't wear anything to keep me safe from the distracted, idiot, cell phone driver coming at me in my lane.
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saying someone deserves to die because there not wearing a helmet or wearing seat belt etc.just isn't the right choice of words to use for someone who just got killed.that completely out of line and totaly disrespectfull.theres no gaurantees he would have lived even if he was wearing a helmet.like one of the other reponses up top said.a rider was decapitated wearing his helmet.i understand were your coming from john the majority of us just don't like the way it was put out there.
Z's are like woman maintenance,maintenance,maintenance!
1971 240Z gunmetal metalic 5sp 4:11 gears in the rear
illuminas and purchased from the original owner w/136k original miles
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"people who:kill for no reason, rape women, beat their wifes, kill their kids, rape little girls, deserve to die
a person who doesnt wear a helmet does Not deserve to die. case closed"
Yes, if you could see the portion of my post that describes the need for arbitrarily imposed absolutism to justify desert, that would be great.
'74 260z---NA L28 MSnS-E w/ Innovate Wideband
Already sparking, soon to be squirting.
Cogito, ergo dolorum.
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I had another response, but really, there's no point when I think about it. I think it's just your choice in wording, I'm hoping anyway. See ya.
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I took my bike down twice (rebuilt it twice too) and neither time did my helment get a mark on it. The leather jackets and gloves did do their jobs and as a result I had NO road rash.
A helment DOES NOT mean you will LIVE, but tank tops and shorts are insane.
I was told a long time ago that in an accident the people on the bike are hurt and it DOESN'T matter who's at fault. Plan for an accident and injurys will be less. Most important "Don't sit in blind spots".
1983 280ZX current restoration project
1982 280ZX parts car for 83' and now crushed
1984 300ZX turbo Rolled it one rainy spring day, twisted the body and then junked it.
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I wonder how many people in here would say that a guy who drives an old Jap Trap Tin Can Sports Car DESERVES to die for not driving a newer car with better side impact and rollover protection and antilock brakes and 6 airbags ??
Sorry to hear about the loss of your friend.
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Post Edited (Jun 1, 8:31pm)
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The title of the post was 'wear a helmet' which is reasonable.
Antilock brakes and airbags do NOT offer real safety on cars.
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wearing a helmet will save your life. Im not saying it will always save your life but it will MAJORITY of the time. I have a friend who has gone down twice. once on the freeway and once on city streets. The second time he had a concussion. Which tells you if he didnt have his helmet on he would have died. maybe he didnt deserve to die, but he certainally wasnt trying to prolong his life. I feel anyone who doesnt wear a helmet, or gloves or a leather jacket DESERVES to get in an accident. You have to be a complete idiot not to wear that stuff when riding a bike. Unlike a car you have nothing to protect yourself when you get in a accident. Its you hitting the car. its not the bike hitting the car and absorbing most of the impact, its you.
Flame me all you want, i dont care. Theres a reason why wearing a helmet is the law. Its so stupid people dont get hurt AS bad.
There is nothing you can do to guarantee you will always walk out of an accident alive. But, there are TONS of things that you can do to help your chances of coming out alive.
Basically, if your going to act dumb, im not going to feel sorry for you when things get fukced up.
EDIT: if you guys cant tell, im agreeing with the post. ALWAYS wear a helmet, AND other protective clothing.
-John
Absolute Z Club
L.A./Orange Counties
73 240, PnP E88, webers, coil-overs, 17's, "Bolt-In Power Steering", train horns; you know, the norm... "Yea its green, but the chicks love it"
Post Edited (Jun 1, 9:20pm)
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very good comment above
ok the posts are getting better
now we just have to change the "deserve" word to "asking for" or "asking to"
-1988 300zxt Shiro SS edition, 120,000 miles
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i need a helmet just for walking.
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I have a buddy who hit a deer at 60+ mph on a 4 wheeler. He was wearing his helmet and that was the only reason he lived. He doesn't remember the accident and had to wear a back brace for a while but it was a small price to pay.
I'm sorry to hear about your friend.
1976 280Z
Draw-Through Turbo, 10 PSI, 4 Bbl Holley, E88, L28 (Flat), 10:1 CR, 5 Spd
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I used to do some cycling (criterium racing). I had my fair share of falls. You should see a few of my helmets. Smashed or cracked right in half. Me, well, just some bruise and strawberry rashes afterward. Head always felt fine. Most of the cycling fall were at ~30 mph.
Now, falling off of a motorcycle at 60+ mph without a helmet. And with T-shirt and shorts on and no leather jacket protection. Skin burning off to the bone, bones grinding, as they slide on the pavement. Eeeh, I don't even want to think about it.
All my smashed and cracked helmets could have been my skull, opened like an egg.
Helmet saves lives!!!
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1975 280Z (Stock)
303 Emerald Green
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Great if anyone here and it seems that is the case!!!! THINKS for a moment .. not wearing a helmet on a sportsbike is sane .. you have to get checked by a shrink.. on top of that wear a safety suit !!
common.. but then agian .. people who think they dont need it ....will sort themselfs out. it is called DARWINISM ..
Sorry to hear the loss .. but guys be smart wear a helmet and a suit..
But nah .. you dont need that as it will never happen to you ... RIGHT !
You can sleep in your car, but cant drive in your house
if you are fully in control, you are not driving fast enough!
79 ZXR 46K!
81 ZXT EURO 2+2
83 ZXT
All fine Fastback winnabego's
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Bikes ARE more dangerous than cars. Bikes offer no protection at all for the rider from anything. THAT is why the rider has to supply his own protection (even as minimal as long pants or a helmet) every time he gets on the bike. Anyone that rides a bike without any protective clothing at all and thinking that nothing can happen to "them" or nothing should hapen to "them" is a myoptic moron.
No mater what your attitude is, the pavement is still hard. Hitting it at 30 mph (and beyond) will not differentiate between good and bad, deserving or non-deserving or Christian and non-Christian. If you ride an open bike and just assume that everything will always work out fine, then he has no idea of the BIG PICTURE that bikes are more dangerous in an accident and the human body is very fragile. Yes, Darwinism is confirmed.
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"Darwinism" is known more correctly as natural selection, and it pertains to allele drift within a population. Perhaps some allele drift is possible due to motorcycle accidents, but such drift would be random at best.
'74 260z---NA L28 MSnS-E w/ Innovate Wideband
Already sparking, soon to be squirting.
Cogito, ergo dolorum.
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Darwinism is known more correctly as natural selection, where change in a species is due to positive characteristics that individuals possess. Darwinism can be extrapolated to include intellectual characteristics as well, especially when those characteristics that avoid higher losses within a population will thus have a greater chance to be passed on.
This has interstingly also been seen as a conclusive proof of the failure of the Darwinian theory since "idiots" have not been naturally selected out of the population over time as the theory suggests.
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May I suggest a hypothesis as to "why idiots have not been naturally selected out of the population over time as the theory suggests?"
Perhaps, the idiot already reproduced, or idiots tend to reproduce at an early age, thus passing on his genes to the next generation, before his tragic accident.
Aaah, I feel like I'm in biology all over again.
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1975 280Z (Stock)
303 Emerald Green
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Wow, Hybrid. That makes perfect sense to anyone who hasn't read anything about the subject before. Thanks for attaching Darwin's famous name to your own argument to make it sound more convincing. Fallacy is a very rewarding practice in many cultures.
I would explain to you why you're wrong, but its a long explanation, and you probably wouldn't read it. I know this because you haven't taken the time to read it when it was written by countless philosophers of science before me.
And why would we when we can sound just as smart uttering falsehoods to people who don't know better?
Come now. It shouldn't be hard for you to imagine environmental niches in which supporting a massive, resource hungry brain would be a hinderance to survival as opposed to a boon.
But we can't imagine that, because then natural selection would be about allele drift and not whatever you want it to be about.
'74 260z---NA L28 MSnS-E w/ Innovate Wideband
Already sparking, soon to be squirting.
Cogito, ergo dolorum.
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wow! now the words are getting much bigger.let me get my dictionary out.reminds me of mike tyson when he trys to use big words.easy does it guys i have a limited vocabulary.
Z's are like woman maintenance,maintenance,maintenance!
1971 240Z gunmetal metalic 5sp 4:11 gears in the rear
illuminas and purchased from the original owner w/136k original miles
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Wow Aeindei,
And I would probably waste my time trying to explain to YOU that it was a joke... Sorry that YOU missed it.
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i don't need no stinkin' helmet.
this guy actually had a helmet on, but only a skull cap helmet.
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'05 350Z Chrome Silver Touring
'73 240Z
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To Deserve To Die or Not To Deserve To Die - Is NOT The Question!
Would any of you making the statement (No Helmet He Desrved It) -
be so crass and rude and cruel to make that statement in person to the family and friends of the deceased at the funeral?
I would hope not - but I would say to someone who did - well you had the freedom of choice to express your opinion - so you did in public - in front of his loved ones - so therefore you deserve to have your mouth and broken jaw wired shut for eight months!
A man in a moment of grief is pouring heart and soul out to what is generally a community of strangers - men do that - it's hard to express real deep feelings to others - it's easier to do so to strangers and even easier to do on the internet.
It's cathartic, it's healthy and it's a very needful human reaction to loss.
But then the internet is a very impersonal thing and people can say what they want without risking real consequences of their words -
You can say what you wouldn't or shouldn't in public on the internet cause virtual sticks and stones don't hurt physically.
Folks on the "Deserve" side of the dabate - it is not a matter of deserve - we are all given the choice - Fate vs Freewill - and many times our freewill determines our fate.
My argument - my beef - my shock and disappointment is in those who:
a man comes to you in the virtual ether - in pain, in loss, in need of consolement - and you "people?" virtually figuratively - kick him in the teeth!
Anyone want to debate the just "deserts" of those actions?
Ed and Jeanne's
ZXelda 1981 280 ZXT: ZXena 1990 300 ZX
1941 Buick Special Sedanette (Betty)
1956 Dodge Royal (Dorothy)
1971 Buick Riviera (Rita)
1975 Ford F-150 Stepside (Fiona)
1992 Firebird (Frieda)
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Mate - I am truely sorry for your loss and for the above tirade.
Ed and Jeanne's
ZXelda 1981 280 ZXT: ZXena 1990 300 ZX
1941 Buick Special Sedanette (Betty)
1956 Dodge Royal (Dorothy)
1971 Buick Riviera (Rita)
1975 Ford F-150 Stepside (Fiona)
1992 Firebird (Frieda)