A&Q about 350Z
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He is the best driver, statistically proven. As Alonso basically said, he'd sooner have won a championship with MS around because it adds value to it. But the character is so important in a sport with 'fans'.
Button surrender? I'd have called him an idiot for a start. And told him to lose the silly beard. Again.
you leave button alone mister!
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absolute god like hero & a real racer (especially for ramming people off the road & champion of overtaking in a sport that it rarely ahppens) - hats off - win at all costs attitude
All costs? Are you sure?
If I were to race you, and put you into some trackside furniture in order to 'win at all costs', what does that make me?
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If I were to race you, and put you into some trackside furniture in order to 'win at all costs', what does that make me?
In front of him?
I'll get me coat
Is it a trick question?
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If I were to race you, and put you into some trackside furniture in order to 'win at all costs', what does that make me?
In front of him?
I'll get me coat
Is it a trick question?
Correct answer....
...well, trick answer!
Touche!
Anyway, back to ....
If I were to race you, and put you into some trackside furniture in order to 'win at all costs', what does that make me?
Possible options:
1) A total ****
2) Yeah, that's fine, go ahead, punt me off the track and you're the winning hero.
3) Ah, you see you're not anywhere near quick by the standards here, so no it wouldn't be ok in your case.
[but in MS's case, that's just fine - he's entitled to it (WTF ). In fact there's free parking at Le Rascasse if MS wants to use it anytime (limited to 5 minutes though or his car gets towed).]
4) A racer?
5) ...
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i thinks raikonnen has won it next year already, he's fast aye, but combine that with a ferrari, he's got it already i think.
Hence why i already have a bet on him, first tme in my life I've bet on F1
champion of overtaking in a sport that it rarely happens
Sorry, but that one IS Raikonnen, he doesn't care who you are, where you are or what you are driving, if you're in his way he WILL overtake you, and before him it was Hakkinen.
Correct answer....
...well, trick answer!
Touche!
Anyway, back to ....
LOL!
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I think Senna and Schumacher came out of the same mould, talented but with a desire to win at any cost, if anything Senna was much more dangerous that MS
i'm not a MS fan but you have to admire his driving skill even tho he's a to55er
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i luv the smiley.... weeeeespect
Aiiiiii
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I think the win at all costs does divide the winners from wannabies... and I have seen this in the paddock in racing over quite a few years.. (back when supporting a m8 in formula renault when plato came up thru the ranks and pedro de la rossa...) - these guys were in "monied" teams and damage did'nt seem to be a driver concern with some driving antics which reflected that (they did'nt have to pay for repairs or make repairs themselves)
Combe this year has been an eye opener for me too, and on the whole, the drivers are owners of their cars and damage is at their cost in both time and expence. More carefull as a consequence I think, with a couple of exceptions.
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Reading the last post Bill, a thought I had earlier was that this "win at all costs thing" must translate in some way to "basic human instinctive" behaviour, along the lines of "fight or flight", brought on by adrenaline and other pressures (though I've not studied this so I can stand corrected, but it stacks up).
It's another slant which on the behaviours we're talking about...
An individual's ability to handle mental pressure is key on track, and what we've seen from various racers and ralliers
- Carlos Sainz, helmet through Toyota back window
- Drivers marching into pit garages for rucks with other drivers etc
... demonstrates how each individual is able to control (or not) his or her own actions and emotions when pressurised situations present themselves or are predicted.
Sure, these examples are key pressure points, but that same energy can and will ripple under the surface, and appear whereever emotional control is lost...
Take away the worries about paying for cars, and that control, or lack of, can just raise itself a notch...
Any everyone's abilty to control emotions is different.
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thats very deep.
"red mist" seems quite apt.
seen some myself on occasion. instinct, reaction to an event without thought of consequence.... sometimes comes off, sometimes does'nt.
Win or crash
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A bunch of carbon-kevlar caged humans...being prodded - with '000s of onlookers, seeing how they get on
And waiting for it to kick off.
I suppose boxin' isn't half as interesting!
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I for one will miss Shuey not being there... for his history I think majority is +ve and his ability & talent is awesome. some mystakes along the way to remind us he is in fact human and fallable.
Be interesting to see if any "one" person comes to the fore from 2007.
I think Brundles comment of "gifted but flawed" was very well put.
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Interesting commentary in the paper today re: 'win at all costs'
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absolute god like hero & a real racer (especially for ramming people off the road & champion of overtaking in a sport that it rarely ahppens) - hats off - win at all costs attitude
All costs? Are you sure?
If I were to race you, and put you into some trackside furniture in order to 'win at all costs', what does that make me?
If I were to race you, and put you into some trackside furniture in order to 'win at all costs', what does that make me?
In front of him?
I'll get me coat
Is it a trick question?
LOL! [/quote]
ha ha ha ha - nice one peoples..
as for the last post BTCC - they have been knocking each other off the road since the days of rouse, clelland & whats his face - the other good one & have got worse to make it more entertaining (edit - ROB GRAVETT - thats who i meant)
senna took prost out blatantly at the 1st corner to win the world title, having said he was going to do it before the race - is that not blatant cheating - if you are to cheat you could at least be sly about it.. well admit it afterwards, & not before - thats premeditated a bit like the difference between murder & manslaughter - both same result but ones worse than the other
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He's done great things with ferrari but he should have stayed for next year to see how he gets on with Kimi as a team-mate. Maybe then a lot more people would be convinced if he beats someone we all know is quick in an identical car.
I still think he's a cock.
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Silverstone 1995: At his home grand prix and trailing Schumacher by 11 points in the championship, Hill attempted to pass the German going into Priory 11 laps from the end of the race. The two collided again and both retired. Hill described it as a "racing incident" while Schumacher compared it to Adelaide 1994
I remember this - everyone always remebers the Schumacher incident in Adelaide 94 but the pass (over the) Hill tried at Silverstone was appalling, no where near close to making it, just punted Schuey off...(over the) Hill, 'gentleman driver' dont make me laugh, as guilty as the next man of the 'red mist'.
actually it would be interesting to work out the clanger/mistake : awesome race ratio - given the length of time the guys been around I wouldn't mind betting there are plenty drivers with a much worse bahaviour record, but becausr they arn't in the public eye so much as a winner, no one notices
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still think there is another championship left in him,he`s still got the speed and the car,setting a fastest lap just after refueling shows it,as said in another thread, love him or hate him he`s been the man to beat
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Its Racing
It happens
Its competition
I think BTCC and the tin top c'ships have more to answer for on the "robust" driving stds and the portrayal of said 'ok-ness' (I made that word up-lol)
Tin tops can get away with pushing and shoving to an extent where open wheelers cant.
Not that I would want it to happen to me as rubbing = damage = money for repairs.
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I agree with Rob T.
Schumacher is a great racing driver and a great personality (unlike the ice man "Arnie" Raikonnen Ja). Yeah he's had his share of racing incidents but people only remember them becuase of "patriotism" (whatever that is) in the cases where he beat Hill or just simply because the incident happened to come out better for him.
If adelade was Schuy being tactical and cheating, why did he go out and Hill carry on with light damage (to then retire for some reason).
I dont understand why shumy is blamed for all these incidents. I think if anyone was to argue about his lack of skill a better argument would be that ferrari are superb tacticians and have great pit stratergys and bend the rules more than any other team.
Will
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RobT ....
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As for aggressive/dangerous overtaking see Juan Pablo...
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RobT ....
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Cue miserable b*stard comment from Hill himself...
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But He's No Valentino Rossi