A&Q about 350Z
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Hello guys-
I want to put ABS into my Mk2.....
I know a guy breaking a vento with full ABS... I'm already taking the hubs, calipers and discs...but what esle do i need to ask for/take for the transplant?
Cheers,
Alex
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well you will need the sensors attached to the hubs,(obviously the loom) other than that im not sure, might need the ECU as well tho?
im looking at doing this soon so wouldnt mind knowing
Edited by: Cleggstar
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cool- I've asked for the loom and ABS ecu....
I guess the sensors will be in the hubs already....
If you've ever driven a mk3 with ABS then the conversion is DEFINATELY worthwhile.
So....anyone know a comprehensive list?
Alex
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and what ECU's are suitable for what engines? mine would be on a driver before i swap the engine (to prob a g60), im sure some if not all g60 ECU's have ABS,
So you need:
The Wheel sensors off the doner car? do they need to match the ECU if you got new items?
Wiring loom
ECU
whats actually linked to the braking system?
and its only the front wheels that have ABS yes?
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I've looked into this a bit chaps
afaik, for an early mk3/corrado/passat TEVES 4 system into a CE2 mk2 you need:
1)ABS Wiring Loom
2)ABS ECU (under back seat IIRC)
3)ABS pump (underneath expansion tank)
4)ABS pump exhaust heat shield and bracket
5)ABS sensors
6)ABS sensor rings
7)ABS warning light (for your MOT!)
8)Servo from ABS donor car with brake pedal position sensor
I believe the rear brake bias valve has a tee-piece in it to connect the two rear brake circuits (I think!)
for a later TEVES 20 system I believe you need all the same stuff, apart from:
1)The ABS pump and ECU are in a single unit in the engine bay
2) I don't think you have a rear bias valve any more.
there may be some other electrical differences with the teves 20 system that I don't know about.
The LHD Teves 2 system fitted to lhd golfs, corrados and passats can't be converted to rhd afaik. TBH I don't think it's a great system anyway as it has a hydraulic "servo" which means pump failure=non assisted brakes.
options for warning lights are:
get a mk3/passat/corrado light and make it fit
source a LHD mk2 combined ABS/handbrake warning light and make it work. (yes, that's the reason the mk2 handbrake light is so big, there were optional versions with additional lamps to cope with ABS, trailer indicator warnigs, etc.)
best set-up therefore is teves 04, best donor is probably pre '95 Passat, or Corrado, although Corrado bits (the same!) may cost more at a breakers.
getting the ABS servo to fit with the mk2 pedal box may be a problem. you may have to convert to a cable-change box and hydro clutch, using a Passat/Corrado pedal box.
don't know the mk3 servo/mk2 pedal box combo may fit just fine.
alternatively, it's possible that there's a Seat pedal box which keeps the cable clutch but also fits the ABS servo.
that's about all I know I'm afraid.
If anyone actually manages this pls let me know as I'm planning it myself.
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Why bother with ABS? you shouldn't ever have to use it really, I mean,
in the snow or if you get on gravel, it's useless as you need the
system to lock up to be able to stop, ABS, you just keep going on and
on, one reason why if I get a car with ABS, it's being disabled.
ABS is a placebe for bad driver's really, and any good driver wouldn't
lock their wheels up even if they had to brake hard, you just brake
hard, but gradually.
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Vee_Que, not all of us are driving Gods, you know.
I'm certainly not.
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Eactly, and if it is gonna make you stop a lot quicker and safer, can only be a good thing.
One thing I worried about when going from Mk3 back to Mk2 was that I wasn't going to have ABS
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Why bother with ABS? you shouldn't ever have to use it really, I mean,
in the snow or if you get on gravel, it's useless as you need the
system to lock up to be able to stop, ABS, you just keep going on and
on, one reason why if I get a car with ABS, it's being disabled.
ABS is a placebe for bad driver's really, and any good driver wouldn't
lock their wheels up even if they had to brake hard, you just brake
hard, but gradually.
Have you ever been in a near accident situation where you've had to stop very quickly, the normal reaction is to hit the brakes hard, if the wheels lock, instead of releasing and reapplying the brake pedal, most peoples reaction is to panic and brake even harder. Even if you consider yourself to be an excellent driver, you'd still need to practice emergency braking so that it becomes second nature to back off the brakes when the wheels lock. For the vast majority of people ABS is an excellent safety feature.
Also I may be wrong here, but in the perfect braking scenario I believe ABS does not stop the car as quickly as manual braking, more over it's designed for safety to keep the wheels turning so that they don't lock, allowing the driver to maintain control e.g. being able to steer out of the way of an accident.
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I'd cack myself and push the brakes as hard as I could as I did once when a drunk walked in front of me. Saw the bloke roll over me bonnet and off the windscreen, iof I'd had ABS I know I would have stopped a good couple of meters earlier which would have saved my wing mirror from complete destruction
ABS is one driving aid I think is worth having, I just can't afford a car with it
(The bloke was ok btw, ambulance turned up and said cuz he'd had so much to drink his body was a lot more relaxed which helped when he bounced off the floor Hence me not worrying otherwise I'd have felt guilty as hell even if it was his fault)
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hydraulic "servo" which means pump failure=non assisted brakes.
thats not true, There is still the servo and mc on the brake pedal as normal! It would be very dodgy if the servo was built into the pump LOL If the pump dies then the brakes work as normal
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re: Fabio:
what, on Golf G60, Rallye, and early lhd Passat and Corrado?
I was only referring to those early LHD systems. with that particular comment.
why in my mk2 golf owners manual does it say that ABS system failure will result in unassisted brakes and you should drive carefully to the nearest dealer? (or words to that effect?)
afaik the golf GTI/g60, rallye, and early lhd corrados and passats with abs (Teves 2) DON'T have a conventional pneumatic servo, as it's a fully integrated hydraulic system.
all RHD and later lhd using Teves 4 or 20 are kind of add-on ABS systems which still retain a conventional servo.
Can anyone confirm/poo-poo this information? (or misinformation)
Edited by: darnold4
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Hello gents- resurrecting this old thread- i'd just forgotten it even existed....
Dude- did you manage to get a system and fit one?
I ended up with the ATE system from a late mk3 (servo/ecu combined) after i managed to find a complete mk3 GTI subframe for £1! and the rear beam for £25. All included brakes, disks, sensors etc.
SO combined with my ABF and 02A box meant that a hydraulic clutch was essentially mandatory and thus i have a passat pedal box!
I've installed all of the components, plumbed in the brakes (noting that the rear beam no longer has a bias valve in accordance with the new system). All wires have been run and i even have the mk3 warning light.
At the moment it is being configured by a VAG specialist as the wiring bit (despite their only being 4/5 of them was something best left to those who can read wiring diagrams). I'll let you know how i get on...
Have you managed to get your TEVES system working dude?
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nah mate got rid of my gti cos I had to move house and it was never going to get sorted what with one thing and another.
cool to hear you've managed to get a system in there though.
I thought it was a possiblility but it's great to know someone's actually done it.