The beginning of a 16V G60.

A&Q about 350Z
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Hows this coming then trev?
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I haven't has any joy out of BBM via e-mail for a while either as I e-mailed them about the same thing.
What size belt did they send you Keith/Trev as mine is just huge by comparison, and more importantly where did you get them from?
How did you guys find the fit for the front mount alternator? I find my pulley wheel for the alt is too far over compared to the rest of the set-up.
I have modified the rear charger bracket so as to allow for the engine breather by removing some of the material from the bracket and making up a thiner spacer plate to use instead of the BBM supplied one.
Here is a pic of my proposed belt routing, will need to source a roller bearing that will allow the belt to run over the top of the BBM supplied 'triangle' bracket though. The other option would be ton find a smaller pulley that would fit between the charger pulley and alternator pulley, enabling the belt to run under the 'triangle' bracket. If I can find one it will give me over 75% belt contact with the charger pulley though
Edited by: Yandards
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That`s my setup, used a 16v tensioner where the top bolt goes on the BBM alt bracket.
You can`t run the belt like your pic, the tensioner belt has to go under the tiangle pivot, and the belt will rub against itself where you have the second G60 idler.
I run the 1295 belt on a 65mm G60 pulley with the extra 16v tensioner. Thing with my setup a 1305 or 1310 belt would work with the 78mm pulley..
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Thanks for the info Keith - you haved saved me a lot of head scratching and running around.
You had response out of BBM recently? I don't know if we can go and ask Daz from G-werks for tech support for the kit as he is the 'official' uk distributor for BBM's stuff now.
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I`ve never had an E-mail back about the belt routing, and I asked a few times.. Think Trev`s had no joy either?
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What? Sixteen valves G what?
I'm sure I've got an unfinished one of those outside the house...
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Yandards
If you don't mind me asking, where did you get your water pump pulley from.
Cheers
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I`ve never had an E-mail back about the belt routing, and I asked a few times.. Think Trev`s had no joy either?
BBM are notoriously crap with their emails. Best thing to do (as my phone bill attests) is to ring them and email them with pics etc whilst you've got them on the phone.
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VW believe it or not!
Wasn't a hideous price either, think it was around £60 for a new one, and I wanted to fit all new parts where possible so I know that I am starting from fresh.
Part no is 037 121 030A. I have a second hand one that I got from one of the guys off the Corrado forum if you need one.
Not keen of calling BBM as it would cost a fortune, but I would have expected some sort of answer from them for one of us UK based 16v 60 types.
On another note what have you guys done with reference to MFA's and vacuum sensors? VAG don't have any VDO ones left for an early set of corrado clocks so I was wondering how you get around it on the Golfs?
Edited by: Yandards
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With regards to phoning BBM, it doesn't have to cost much. Simply buy one of those US call cards. I bought one of those for about five quid and it just seemed to last forever. I spent ages on the phone with BBM! I will pick up another card and phone them about the belt issue.
I got my G60 water pump pulley from someone who was breaking a G60 engine.
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Thanks for the reply gents
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Amazingly, I did some more work on mine this weekend. Not a great deal but it's progress. I removed the brass injector inserts from the Scirocco manifold and fitted the G60 ones, and assembled the valve cover and inlet manifold and various other bits onto the engine.
What fuel hoses do I need to get in order to use the fuel rail? This is a 16V K-jet car, so my fuel hoses in the engine bay are the type that fit onto the K-jet metering head. Am I right in thinking that the hose connections to the fuel rail are the same kind of connectors that are used on the 8V Digifant engine? Therefore could I get the hoses I need from an 8V GTI? Where the hoses come into the engine bay, there are some threaded connectors. So rather than having to slice hoses, I assume I just screw the appropriate new hoses to here. If I need to order any hoses, connectors, clips or tools to do this then any recommendations please?
Edit: Just done some searching and apparently are the people for fuel hoses and connectors.
While I'm at it, I'm wondering if it is worth replacing any of the other fuel hoses, going back to the pump...?
Edited by: Trev16v
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Which alternator pulley did you use Keith?
The standard G60 one is set up for a different type of alternator.

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The alternator I have comes out of a Polo. It fits into the brackets and the pulley it came with aligns just right.
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Yeh I also used a mk4 or 5? Polo Diesel Alternator with the 6 rib pulley. Brand new off e-bay for £40 ish..
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I believe the mounts are made for an ABA alternator?
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Ah, thanks again guys.
That's the 90A bosch alternator isn't it?
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Think mine was a 90amp alt?.
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Ok question number 700
Just got a mail back from John Betz about the coolant flange on the head. what confused me is that the original G60 flange has 2 x points where you plug in the sensor for the water temp gauge (215 919 501D black with a green ring on it) and another sensor that is just listed as a temperature sensor for models with a catalyst(Blue).
Now you can relocate one of the sensors to the side of cylinder head on the new fixture they sent me but what I am supposed to do with the other one?
I am thinking about using the standard G60 fitment that normally sits behind the charger on the front of the cylinder head on the side of the block and blanking off one it its ports. The other issue for me is that I have retained the rear charger bracket and modified it so that it can take the breather so this interfers with the BBM supplied water flange.
Photos would be good again Keith
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Yandards, what are you doing about an intercooler mate?
I want a front mount IC and I can get a Rallye FMIC, but I don't believe a Rallye one will fit due to the alternator position interfering with the inlet port. So I was going to get Allard to make me a Rallye shaped one but with the ports both on the near-side.
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Got a merc sprinter one for now, I know it will require some fetling of the front crossmember but it is thinner than most of the aftermarket coolers.
An RS2 style intercooler will allow you to fit a connection at each end of the intercooler so I am hoping that I can get away the Merc one. (John Mitchell of JMR has his setup like that)
Think your best bet is to get the engine ready and look at the IC plumbing when thats all in place - thats my current plan.
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For the cooant flange, I used the BBM spacer and single holed flange for fitting the G60 blue temp sender on the side of the head. I`ve kept the rear cast G60 bracket (made a blockoff plate) and modified a core plug for the block breather.
The rad sits to the left by about an inch over the original fitting and I bought another 16v rad pipe, fitted it backwards and it clears the G60 (moved the dipstick pipe out of the way).
I`ve seen the custom front coolant flange BBM made for the 16v block but was never supplied one..
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Right just I can make sure this is clear in my head
You fit the blue water temp sensor that is required to get digipants working properly on the side of the head under the dizzy using the BBM spacer and a single outlet with a sensor hole in it as supplied by BBM.
For the front coolant flange you used a standard 16v one?
I am therefore assuming that for the water temp gauge in the car you use one of the existing KR block sendors that would have originally been used as part of the idle stab valve setup?
I have also retained the rear charger bracket and made up a spacer plate to act as a seal. Instead of moving the dipstick I have just ground a bit away from the bracket to get it to fit.
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All seems fine, you need to vent the circular hole in the block where the breather box fitted, I used a core plug with a hose fitting welded on an angle to miss the coolant pipe.
As for the front flange, I`ve gotten away with using the stock one but even after bending the oil dipstick housing is pretty close..
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I was going to see if I could get hold of bush with threaded section to accomodate the knock sensor in where the 6v breather assembly normally sits in the block.
I think that is where it goes on the PG block as well.
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